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Post by Canseco on Dec 19, 2022 14:02:23 GMT -5
I know what our payroll is, but why does it feel like we’re the Oakland A’s when it comes to re-signing our own guys? It’s extremely frustrating. Why are we here, anyhow? What an interesting and novel take, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet. Comma splice.
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Post by pappyman99 on Dec 19, 2022 15:08:36 GMT -5
If the reported 9 for 300 is what he is looking for than that is a no brainer and draw up the contract.
He’s done at the end of his age 35 season and we have him for the next decade? Yeah sign me up there
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2022 15:22:02 GMT -5
I know what our payroll is, but why does it feel like we’re the Oakland A’s when it comes to re-signing our own guys? It’s extremely frustrating. Why are we here, anyhow? We aren’t the As, they usually trade their guys and get a legit return before they walk for nothing.
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Post by curtisw on Dec 19, 2022 15:23:26 GMT -5
If the reported 9 for 300 is what he is looking for than that is a no brainer and draw up the contract. He’s done at the end of his age 35 season and we have him for the next decade? Yeah sign me up there Where is that being reported? Up till now it’s all looked like base speculation to me. Anything from Pepen is not serious at all, and I haven’t seen anything reputable about what he is really seeking right now. Did new information come out today? 9 years is so long, but for Raffy I am willing. That doesn’t sound that bad to me. I am just doubting that is really his demand right now and I also kind of doubt they would agree with me that it’s worth it to keep him for baseball reasons and for culture reasons. I think it’s good for the heart and soul of the club to keep a guy from a pretty legendary and beloved era of the club. And treating our own well, that would feel good. But many here prob won’t agree with that kind of nebulous, touchy feely logic which is fine. But it is my opinion and has been for a long time that going 0/3 on Betts, X and Raffy, is just not an option. I want Raffy very much. I would do 9/300 quickly.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Dec 19, 2022 15:29:21 GMT -5
If the reported 9 for 300 is what he is looking for than that is a no brainer and draw up the contract. He’s done at the end of his age 35 season and we have him for the next decade? Yeah sign me up there Where is that being reported? Up till now it’s all looked like base speculation to me. Anything from Pepen is not serious at all, and I haven’t seen anything reputable about what he is really seeking right now. Did new information come out today? 9 years is so long, but for Raffy I am willing. That doesn’t sound that bad to me. I am just doubting that is really his demand right now and I also kind of doubt they would agree with me that it’s worth it to keep him for baseball reasons and for culture reasons. I think it’s good for the heart and soul of the club to keep a guy from a pretty legendary and beloved era of the club. And treating our own well, that would feel good. But many here prob won’t agree with that kind of nebulous, touchy feely logic which is fine. But it is my opinion and has been for a long time that going 0/3 on Betts, X and Raffy, is just not an option. I want Raffy very much. I would do 9/300 quickly.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 19, 2022 15:31:51 GMT -5
Those demand don't really make any sense. The 10th year costs $25 million but the 11th year costs $35 million?
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Post by curtisw on Dec 19, 2022 15:32:46 GMT -5
Where is that being reported? Up till now it’s all looked like base speculation to me. Anything from Pepen is not serious at all, and I haven’t seen anything reputable about what he is really seeking right now. Did new information come out today? 9 years is so long, but for Raffy I am willing. That doesn’t sound that bad to me. I am just doubting that is really his demand right now and I also kind of doubt they would agree with me that it’s worth it to keep him for baseball reasons and for culture reasons. I think it’s good for the heart and soul of the club to keep a guy from a pretty legendary and beloved era of the club. And treating our own well, that would feel good. But many here prob won’t agree with that kind of nebulous, touchy feely logic which is fine. But it is my opinion and has been for a long time that going 0/3 on Betts, X and Raffy, is just not an option. I want Raffy very much. I would do 9/300 quickly. Thank you. If that report holds any water, think they Red Sox should get this done this winter. I think it might just be too rich for them. Even with Bloom saying they are ready to get a little unreasonable
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Post by curtisw on Dec 19, 2022 15:34:09 GMT -5
Those demand don't really make any sense. The 10th year costs $25 million but the 11th year costs $35 million? Great point and further makes me question the validity here
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Post by humanbeingbean on Dec 19, 2022 15:34:12 GMT -5
If those parameters are actually true I’m cautiously optimistic they can get it done. 10/325 seems to fit Chaim’s openness to go a bit beyond their comfort level. Please.
edit: desire changed to openness. poor word choice
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Post by nomar on Dec 19, 2022 15:43:45 GMT -5
I’ve never seen reporters blatantly talk out of their ass to the extent they have this offseason. The last month has been a caricature of the normal hot stove.
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Post by runner on Dec 20, 2022 14:19:02 GMT -5
The Sox need to prove it at this point. Sounds like they're not trading him under any circumstances.
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Post by pappyman99 on Dec 20, 2022 14:42:54 GMT -5
Lol so he would be at the center of everything we do…. For 1 year?
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 20, 2022 15:07:01 GMT -5
Put up or shut up then at this point, if you really want Devers than sign him no matter what his demands are and if not then don't tell me how he's the at the center of anything.
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Post by curtisw on Dec 20, 2022 15:15:11 GMT -5
Officially at the lol point in all of this. I have to laugh.
I have not that much faith they are going to reach a deal. Sounds like the third reprise of not trading a homegrown star player only to lose him. I’m not sure how anyone could convince me that they really are going to get this done. What is the evidence? This looks like the same play we have been running.
Have to laugh.
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 20, 2022 15:33:30 GMT -5
I'll take a crack at this "what does an Devers extention look like?" Answer = TRADE
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Post by Guidas on Dec 20, 2022 15:54:04 GMT -5
Why doesn't Bloom just come out and say what he means. I.e. "Rafael Devers is our Top Priority™"
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 20, 2022 15:57:00 GMT -5
Why doesn't Bloom just come out and say what he means. I.e. "Rafael Devers is our Top Priority™" Why is it bad to be open about their top priority, even they aren't successful in it? We would rather the team obfuscates things or lies about them?
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Post by runner on Dec 20, 2022 16:00:19 GMT -5
Why doesn't Bloom just come out and say what he means. I.e. "Rafael Devers is our Top Priority™" Why is it bad to be open about their top priority, even they aren't successful in it? We would rather the team obfuscates things or lies about them? Just seems disingenuous. It didn't look like we were in the top 3 offers for Xander to resign him in free agency after they came out and said that.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 20, 2022 16:06:05 GMT -5
Why is it bad to be open about their top priority, even they aren't successful in it? We would rather the team obfuscates things or lies about them? Just seems disingenuous. Doesn't seem like we were in the top 3 offers for Xander to resign him in free agency after they came out and said that. Guess I just disagree. Listened to Bloom on Bradford’s podcast after the signing and he said again that he meant it. Just their valuation ended up much different from the market. Maybe they were wrong on his worth and that could be a bigger issue (being bad at player evaluation), but I don’t think they were lying about their interest. What would even be the point? There’s no way they thought the fans would say “Aw shucks at least we tried.”
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Post by runner on Dec 20, 2022 16:28:02 GMT -5
Just seems disingenuous. Doesn't seem like we were in the top 3 offers for Xander to resign him in free agency after they came out and said that. Guess I just disagree. Listened to Bloom on Bradford’s podcast after the signing and he said again that he meant it. Just their valuation ended up much different from the market. Maybe they were wrong on his worth and that could be a bigger issue (being bad at player evaluation), but I don’t think they were lying about their interest. What would even be the point? There’s no way they thought the fans would say “Aw shucks at least we tried.” Don't want to make this a long quibble, but there's a difference between "Xander is our top priority" and "Xander is our top priority up to a certain point or number." Chaim set himself up to fail with that statement from the beginning of the off-season. The timing was bad, too. He should have said that in spring training last year. I think everyone is laughing because the same thing might be happening all over again with Devers. Deja Vu as we call it. Hopefully this time they actually mean it with Devers.
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Post by runner on Dec 20, 2022 17:06:01 GMT -5
Alex Speier also mentioned Devers won't entertain extension talks past spring training. So we'll know our answer a week into the season if this is happening.
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Post by seamus on Dec 20, 2022 17:35:14 GMT -5
Basically all players say that. I really doubt his agent will refuse to listen if the Sox want to offer something like 10/325 in June.
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 20, 2022 17:38:19 GMT -5
Guess I just disagree. Listened to Bloom on Bradford’s podcast after the signing and he said again that he meant it. Just their valuation ended up much different from the market. Maybe they were wrong on his worth and that could be a bigger issue (being bad at player evaluation), but I don’t think they were lying about their interest. What would even be the point? There’s no way they thought the fans would say “Aw shucks at least we tried.” Don't want to make this a long quibble, but there's a difference between "Xander is our top priority" and "Xander is our top priority up to a certain point or number." Chaim set himself up to fail with that statement from the beginning of the off-season. The timing was bad, too. He should have said that in spring training last year. I think everyone is laughing because the same thing might be happening all over again with Devers. Deja Vu as we call it. Hopefully this time they actually mean it with Devers. Well, the former really implies the latter. If the team were committed to sign a player regardless of the cost they would lose all leverage and end up massively overpaying, so that's certainly not their meaning. I'm sure it's exactly the same for Devers; they really do want him back, but it remains to be seen whether their number is high enough to persuade him to forego free agency (or to win his services if he does go to free agency).
I do think they wouldn't say this if they thought there was next to no chance of signing a player, though. At that point you may as well not want them, because you're not getting them. And if you know you're not getting them, then how can they be a priority?
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Post by runner on Dec 20, 2022 17:39:12 GMT -5
Basically all players say that. I really doubt his agent will refuse to listen if the Sox want to offer something like 10/325 in June. Xander was openly open to it all season, the Sox never came with a offer. Also, not sure if he's lighting the league up if he'll take a 10/325 offer. Why wouldn't you just wait at that point? If he's injured or playing poorly then you got a point.
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Post by jmei on Dec 20, 2022 17:47:01 GMT -5
Let's say the situation is as follows: they'd like to sign Devers to an extension, but only if the contract makes sense. (I don't think it matters for these purposes what that threshold is exactly, so let's ignore it for now.) If they can't sign Devers to an extension, they would explore trading him either before the season or mid-season, depending on what the return might be and whether the team is in contention.
Honest question: in that scenario, how would you expect Bloom to answer Speier's question, which, as a reminder, is: "if Red Sox fans should assume Rafael Devers will not be traded, even if extension talks fail." Should he say "eh, we'd probably trade him at that point" or similar? How do you think that comes off to Devers and the rest of the clubhouse?
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