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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 28, 2021 22:14:31 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 28, 2021 22:16:33 GMT -5
If the Mets give scherzer 4 years at 40 a year they're crazy and going to be blowing by the luxury tax probably for several years.
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Post by manfred on Nov 28, 2021 22:20:07 GMT -5
Again… we can say no to all these guys, but it does leave us to ask: yes to whom? I’m not complaining about mot getting any of these guys (though I will complain about not keeping Eddie), but if the Sox won’t go in for a pretty big contract (even Gray’s), then we are looking at a high likelihood of a diminished rotation.
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 28, 2021 22:25:26 GMT -5
Again… we can say no to all these guys, but it does leave us to ask: yes to whom? I’m not complaining about mot getting any of these guys (though I will complain about not keeping Eddie), but if the Sox won’t go in for a pretty big contract (even Gray’s), then we are looking at a high likelihood of a diminished rotation. Disagree that we’re necessarily in like for a diminished rotation if they don’t sign some big free agent. They trade Erod/Richards/Perez for Wacha/Houck/Whitlock/Sale, could easily break even, and there are still other FA starters who could add value and (hopefully) don’t come at massive overpays.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 28, 2021 22:25:43 GMT -5
Again… we can say no to all these guys, but it does leave us to ask: yes to whom? I’m not complaining about mot getting any of these guys (though I will complain about not keeping Eddie), but if the Sox won’t go in for a pretty big contract (even Gray’s), then we are looking at a high likelihood of a diminished rotation. I mean the Sox have spent big $$$$ in previous off seasons. And both times needed the dodgers to bail them out. .
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Post by baseball3 on Nov 28, 2021 22:29:23 GMT -5
It's been a fun off-season so far. A nice change from the wait until February to wait for big deals. Wish MLB offseasons were more like this.
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Post by jmei on Nov 28, 2021 22:32:08 GMT -5
Again… we can say no to all these guys, but it does leave us to ask: yes to whom? I’m not complaining about mot getting any of these guys (though I will complain about not keeping Eddie), but if the Sox won’t go in for a pretty big contract (even Gray’s), then we are looking at a high likelihood of a diminished rotation. The deals that get signed early are usually player-friendly ones. There will be more palatable contracts out there. There’s not one way to build a team—if starting pitching is too expensive, well, load up on position players or the bullpen.
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Post by tyler3 on Nov 28, 2021 23:01:13 GMT -5
So Mets are about to lose their minds with Sherzer. And if you think that’s something, wait until you see what the Angels do for Ray.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 28, 2021 23:06:33 GMT -5
So Mets are about to lose their minds with Sherzer. And if you think that’s something, wait until you see what the Angels do for Ray. I'd be surprised if the Dodgers don't get involved with Ray. If not him then Stroman? I do think Kershaw is going to wind up back with the Dodgers.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Nov 28, 2021 23:12:53 GMT -5
If max does go to the Mets what is there payroll 270ish? Wonder if we take on cano and Diaz if that could get us Alvarez?
Add Sherman has them at 265
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Post by baseball3 on Nov 28, 2021 23:22:44 GMT -5
Unbelievable money. What a AAV. Lol
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Post by baseball3 on Nov 28, 2021 23:24:55 GMT -5
If max does go to the Mets what is there payroll 270ish? Wonder if we take on cano and Diaz if that could get us Alvarez? I'd take Cano, but the Mets would have to throw best prospects and cash. No interest in Diaz.
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Post by tyler3 on Nov 28, 2021 23:41:45 GMT -5
So Mets are about to lose their minds with Sherzer. And if you think that’s something, wait until you see what the Angels do for Ray. I'd be surprised if the Dodgers don't get involved with Ray. If not him then Stroman? I do think Kershaw is going to wind up back with the Dodgers. And the Giants just lost a big piece of their 2021 rotation. Honestly we just have to admit that our pitching needs will most likely be filled post lockout and most likely will not include Ray or Stroman considering how many hungry teams will be left for just those two (Angels, Dodgers, Giants).
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 28, 2021 23:43:51 GMT -5
If max does go to the Mets what is there payroll 270ish? Wonder if we take on cano and Diaz if that could get us Alvarez? I'd take Cano, but the Mets would have to throw best prospects and cash. No interest in Diaz. You sure about that...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 28, 2021 23:44:55 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if the Dodgers don't get involved with Ray. If not him then Stroman? I do think Kershaw is going to wind up back with the Dodgers. And the Giants just lost a big piece of their 2021 rotation. Honestly we just have to admit that our pitching needs will most likely be filled post lockout and most likely will not include Ray or Stroman considering how many hungry teams will be left for just those two (Angels, Dodgers, Giants). My guess is that the Sox wind up trading for either Bassitt or Manaea. They need to get a legit 2 or 3 type starter.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 28, 2021 23:58:21 GMT -5
Again… we can say no to all these guys, but it does leave us to ask: yes to whom? I’m not complaining about mot getting any of these guys (though I will complain about not keeping Eddie), but if the Sox won’t go in for a pretty big contract (even Gray’s), then we are looking at a high likelihood of a diminished rotation. The deals that get signed early are usually player-friendly ones. There will be more palatable contracts out there. There’s not one way to build a team—if starting pitching is too expensive, well, load up on position players or the bullpen. There has been one starting pitcher signed to what increasingly looks like team-friendly terms so far and he's a guy the Red Sox watched walk out the door.
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Post by baseball3 on Nov 29, 2021 1:14:30 GMT -5
I'd take Cano, but the Mets would have to throw best prospects and cash. No interest in Diaz. You sure about that... Yeah. Make a good platoon partner with Dalbec at first base. Return would have to be great.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Nov 29, 2021 5:16:53 GMT -5
I know that we are balking at these prices, and for the most part are thankful that Boston did not hand out these contracts, and understandably so, but there's always one or two FAs that get signed in the offseason that get traded for more during the season where we wish we just paid the money up front instead of the rest of the contract and the cost of prospects. Yes, I am aware that we pay an added cost for not assuming the initial risk at the beginning of the season but still.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 29, 2021 7:42:26 GMT -5
I can see now that Bloom’s rotation plan is to let everyone else buy all the good and very good pitchers leaving the Sox to pick through the crap. Brilliant
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 29, 2021 8:15:11 GMT -5
Moved a bunch of the E-Rod specific discussion to the E-Rod to Detroit thread.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 29, 2021 9:34:37 GMT -5
I can see now that Bloom’s rotation plan is to let everyone else buy all the good and very good pitchers leaving the Sox to pick through the crap. Brilliant Which starter who signed already or is rumored to be signing would you really have wanted at the price they received? I'm all set on paying gausman, Verlander, Syndergaard and most definitely scherzer what they got or are going to get. Erod is the only decent deal on a starter I've seen so far.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 29, 2021 9:38:07 GMT -5
I can see now that Bloom’s rotation plan is to let everyone else buy all the good and very good pitchers leaving the Sox to pick through the crap. Brilliant Which starter who signed already or is rumored to be signing would you really have wanted at the price they received? I'm all set on paying gausman, Verlander, Syndergaard and most definitely scherzer what they got or are going to get. Erod is the only decent deal on a starter I've seen so far.Right. It's Rodriguez. They should have signed Rodriguez. They only need one...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 29, 2021 9:50:00 GMT -5
Which starter who signed already or is rumored to be signing would you really have wanted at the price they received? I'm all set on paying gausman, Verlander, Syndergaard and most definitely scherzer what they got or are going to get. Erod is the only decent deal on a starter I've seen so far.Right. It's Rodriguez. They should have signed Rodriguez. They only need one... Yeah, I don't get it. If you told me the Sox signed a guy who had a mediocre season but had excellent peripherals, and pitched a lot better in the back half of the season after missing a full year with a health issue that had nothing to do with his pitching arm, has a history of no arm issues, and is only 29 and would sign for 5 years 77 million or at least get 2 years 39 million if he pitches very well, then we'd be all lauding Bloom for the astute signing. Instead.....so did Bloom misread the market? Did he think starters were going to come cheaply? Does he think that the small sample size Wacha had where pitched well is a really viable replacement for his departing free agent? Did he have his eye on a pitcher he considers an upgrade (Stroman, Rodon?) I really don't understand the thinking here.
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Post by nuttyredsox on Nov 29, 2021 10:06:51 GMT -5
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 29, 2021 10:11:18 GMT -5
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