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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 28, 2021 19:05:33 GMT -5
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 28, 2021 19:49:34 GMT -5
Not sure what else they were looking at, but I think that's a good hire for the Padres. Experience and success in small markets.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 3, 2021 13:14:21 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 3, 2021 13:27:25 GMT -5
Quintana didn't sign when the Sox picked him in the 11th round in 2016. He hit .196/.329/.346 at Low-A, which is obviously not a good sign from a 23-year-old second-round college draftee in Low A. Seems like the Tigers did well to get Barnhart for him, so I guess the Reds still see something there.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 3, 2021 14:03:54 GMT -5
Or the Reds are so cheap they just don't want to pay Barnhart's $500K buyout?
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 3, 2021 14:15:41 GMT -5
Or the Reds are so cheap they just don't want to pay Barnhart's $500K buyout? Sure, but there are 28 other teams that didn't beat Nick Quintana for him, which seems crazy unless they like Quintana. Also notable because the Tigers are a real 2022 sleeper. On May 7 (through 33 games), they were 15 games under .500 and had a -72 run differential. From that point on they were 68-61 with a -7 run differential. Casey Mize was solid and will have another year of experience, and Torkelson and Riley should be ready at some point. They need middle infield help (maybe Kreidler?) but they could have something going.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 3, 2021 15:33:44 GMT -5
Or the Reds are so cheap they just don't want to pay Barnhart's $500K buyout? Sure, but there are 28 other teams that didn't beat Nick Quintana for him, which seems crazy unless they like Quintana. Also notable because the Tigers are a real 2022 sleeper. On May 7 (through 33 games), they were 15 games under .500 and had a -72 run differential. From that point on they were 68-61 with a -7 run differential. Casey Mize was solid and will have another year of experience, and Torkelson and Riley should be ready at some point. They need middle infield help (maybe Kreidler?) but they could have something going. Fair point, though it's also not crazy to me to think that 28 other teams just weren't willing to give up much of anything for a 31 year old catcher with a career 82 wRC+ who was going to cost $7.75 million. He's basically Vazquez with worse defense, no?
I would agree that the Tigers are a real 2022 sleeper, except that I've heard so many people say they're a 2022 sleeper that I'm not sure if they count as a sleeper.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 3, 2021 16:46:43 GMT -5
Buster Posey is retiring, per Andrew Baggarly.
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Post by radiohix on Nov 3, 2021 17:30:03 GMT -5
Buster Posey is retiring, per Andrew Baggarly. What a marvelous career! Still thankful that the Rays picked Tim Beckham in 2008 Draft instead of him lol
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 3, 2021 18:07:37 GMT -5
Buster Posey is retiring, per Andrew Baggarly. Wow that's a bit of a shocker as he definitely showed he had some gas left in the tank this season.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Nov 3, 2021 19:26:02 GMT -5
Losing Posey is a massive blow for the Giants - he was one of their best players in '21
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 3, 2021 20:32:41 GMT -5
Buster Posey is retiring, per Andrew Baggarly. Wow that's a bit of a shocker as he definitely showed he had some gas left in the tank this season. Seemed that way. But now I wonder if it's a David Ortiz situation though where, to use the same analogy, he was able to go out with a big year because he knew he could empty the tank.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 3, 2021 21:07:31 GMT -5
Wow that's a bit of a shocker as he definitely showed he had some gas left in the tank this season. Seemed that way. But now I wonder if it's a David Ortiz situation though where, to use the same analogy, he was able to go out with a big year because he knew he could empty the tank. Only 34 though! And it was probably the second best offensive year of his career. He certainly could've continued to be a good major league player for a while longer. He must've just decided that's not what he wanted to do at this point in his life.
He left a $22 million option for next season on the table. And he'll be an interesting Hall of Fame case - 57 fWAR/45 bWAR, so a lot turns on what metrics you look at (which are all pretty iffy when it comes to catchers). A couple more season of solid production would have made his HoF case quite a bit stronger, so he may have left that on the table as well.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 3, 2021 21:32:12 GMT -5
Seemed that way. But now I wonder if it's a David Ortiz situation though where, to use the same analogy, he was able to go out with a big year because he knew he could empty the tank. Only 34 though! And it was probably the second best offensive year of his career. He certainly could've continued to be a good major league player for a while longer. He must've just decided that's not what he wanted to do at this point in his life. He left a $22 million option for next season on the table. And he'll be an interesting Hall of Fame case - 57 fWAR/45 bWAR, so a lot turns on what metrics you look at (which are all pretty iffy when it comes to catchers). A couple more season of solid production would have made his HoF case quite a bit stronger, so he may have left that on the table as well.
I don't think Buster Posey retiring will impact his HOF chances. I think he'll get in pretty easily. The offensive bar for catchers is a lot lower and his rate stats are very impressive. He was also a franchise player who was instrumental in 3 Giants championships and their 107 win season. Like Kirby Puckett he didn't have a long career, but it should be long enough to get him into the HOF rather easily. There was no better all around catcher during the period he played.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 3, 2021 21:35:36 GMT -5
It's like as if some players actually think there's life outside of baseball.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 4, 2021 0:18:41 GMT -5
Only 34 though! And it was probably the second best offensive year of his career. He certainly could've continued to be a good major league player for a while longer. He must've just decided that's not what he wanted to do at this point in his life. He left a $22 million option for next season on the table. And he'll be an interesting Hall of Fame case - 57 fWAR/45 bWAR, so a lot turns on what metrics you look at (which are all pretty iffy when it comes to catchers). A couple more season of solid production would have made his HoF case quite a bit stronger, so he may have left that on the table as well.
I don't think Buster Posey retiring will impact his HOF chances. I think he'll get in pretty easily. The offensive bar for catchers is a lot lower and his rate stats are very impressive. He was also a franchise player who was instrumental in 3 Giants championships and their 107 win season. Like Kirby Puckett he didn't have a long career, but it should be long enough to get him into the HOF rather easily. There was no better all around catcher during the period he played. You might be right, but (in a mostly bullish case for him) there is this... He now has exactly 1500 hits.
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Post by cdj on Nov 4, 2021 0:54:24 GMT -5
He’s got a golden spikes, a batting title, a gold glove, a ROY, an mvp, hit over .300 as a catcher for his career, and was most importantly the centerpiece of 3 WS-winning teams. That’s about as complete of a resume as you can put out, and I don’t think he’s going to be penalized for not hanging on and compiling stats
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Post by vokuhila on Nov 4, 2021 3:14:46 GMT -5
Rollercoaster season for Giants fans. From flying high on a 107 wins season and high hopes for the post season to being eliminated first round, 4/5th of your rotation going to free agency and losing your franchise man in less than a month...Giants have some serious regrouping to do.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 4, 2021 4:56:28 GMT -5
LOL, a wRC+ of 35. Sox bailed at the right time.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 4, 2021 5:12:58 GMT -5
It's like as if some players actually think there's life outside of baseball. Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not but interesting comment. Sure there is life outside of baseball but man if I had that talent and could still play I would milk it for all its worth. Who knows what is going on in his mind and his life but I think most do right and they all say they miss the clubhouse after it is over. And then there is the money left on the table, although with career earnings of 137m I am sure he is all set. Just seems very unlikely at 34 with the season he just had. Maybe it is just one of those end of season fatigue driven decisions that he reconsiders come Spring.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 4, 2021 8:10:08 GMT -5
It's like as if some players actually think there's life outside of baseball. Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not but interesting comment. Sure there is life outside of baseball but man if I had that talent and could still play I would milk it for all its worth. Who knows what is going on in his mind and his life but I think most do right and they all say they miss the clubhouse after it is over. And then there is the money left on the table, although with career earnings of 137m I am sure he is all set. Just seems very unlikely at 34 with the season he just had. Maybe it is just one of those end of season fatigue driven decisions that he reconsiders come Spring. 9 months a year away from your family. Not being able to go out for a drinks with your buds without constant autograph interruptions. It's not all gold. Without being in his shoes, it's hard to say but that doesn't sound like a life I'd be overly excited about. I can honestly say there isn't an athlete or entertainer that I'd swap lives with.
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Post by manfred on Nov 4, 2021 9:19:41 GMT -5
Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not but interesting comment. Sure there is life outside of baseball but man if I had that talent and could still play I would milk it for all its worth. Who knows what is going on in his mind and his life but I think most do right and they all say they miss the clubhouse after it is over. And then there is the money left on the table, although with career earnings of 137m I am sure he is all set. Just seems very unlikely at 34 with the season he just had. Maybe it is just one of those end of season fatigue driven decisions that he reconsiders come Spring. 9 months a year away from your family. Not being able to go out for a drinks with your buds without constant autograph interruptions. It's not all gold. Without being in his shoes, it's hard to say but that doesn't sound like a life I'd be overly excited about. I can honestly say there isn't an athlete or entertainer that I'd swap lives with. I suspect Buster Posey could be drinking beers at the next table from me and I wouldn’t know it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 4, 2021 12:15:27 GMT -5
LOL, a wRC+ of 35. Sox bailed at the right time. Of all the players they had coming up for free agency, he was the easiest one to cut ties with. Not hard to see that committing to him would be insane. Great defensive CF, but on the wrong side of CF, with defense bound to decline, the bat certainly wouldn't be good enough for a corner OF spot. Yes, they got out at the right time.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 4, 2021 12:20:15 GMT -5
LOL, a wRC+ of 35. Sox bailed at the right time. Of all the players they had coming up for free agency, he was the easiest one to cut ties with. Not hard to see that committing to him would be insane. Great defensive CF, but on the wrong side of CF, with defense bound to decline, the bat certainly wouldn't be good enough for a corner OF spot. Yes, they got out at the right time. They did make the right decision, and I think most of us agreed with it at the time, but I also don't think he could have been reasonably projected for a 35 wRC+ this season (after a 119 in 2020). He had great defensive numbers once again and if he had merely managd a wRC+ in the 80s he would have easily been worth his price tag.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 4, 2021 12:25:48 GMT -5
Of all the players they had coming up for free agency, he was the easiest one to cut ties with. Not hard to see that committing to him would be insane. Great defensive CF, but on the wrong side of CF, with defense bound to decline, the bat certainly wouldn't be good enough for a corner OF spot. Yes, they got out at the right time. They did make the right decision, and I think most of us agreed with it at the time, but I also don't think he could have been reasonably projected for a 35 wRC+ this season (after a 119 in 2020). He had great defensive numbers once again and if he had merely managd a wRC+ in the 80s he would have easily been worth his price tag. No, I didn't expect him to tank that bad. And perhaps he rebounds some next year although he might not play enough for that to happen. But with JBJ the Sox might have had to commit to a couple of years or more and there was always the risk that his defense declined enough where the subpar offense for the price doesn't make up for it, but of course he can be gold glove but when your offense tanks that bad...it was good that they cut ties. \
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