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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 11, 2022 6:01:15 GMT -5
Winchowski's velocity was outstanding in the AFL, which is where a lot of people would've seen him. There's obviously something about breaking into the Top 10, but the drop from 10 to 13 is pretty negligible. Mata going up from 6 to 4 despite not pitching this year is quite a thing. It's a Mata of opinion What's a mata with you ?
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Post by johnsilver52 on Feb 11, 2022 8:52:51 GMT -5
Winchowski's velocity was outstanding in the AFL, which is where a lot of people would've seen him. There's obviously something about breaking into the Top 10, but the drop from 10 to 13 is pretty negligible. Mata going up from 6 to 4 despite not pitching this year is quite a thing. Winckowski looked good to me back in ST last year cpl of chances he got before the regulars had much time to play in short outings. If remember right, the FB was there, in mid 90's consistent and the slider was tight both times he got the chance to go an inning, which reminded me of the old "let's use the guy for what he is" thing, instead of another Buttrey, Zeferjon where the years of control are wasted away at something they are not.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 11, 2022 10:11:25 GMT -5
Mata at 4 feels like assuming no ill effects from TJS, which the guy at 5 feels like a prime example of not being the case. And even on that standard he passed Groome on their list. How is it possible that someone thought Groome was better than Mata before Mata's surgery, but now is higher on Mata after Groome had a very solid season and strong finish? I don't usually get hung up on moving a player a spot or two but that feels very impossible to justify!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 11, 2022 10:12:51 GMT -5
Mata at 4 feels like assuming no ill effects from TJS, which the guy at 5 feels like a prime example of not being the case. Eovaldi and Whitlock and eventually Rich Hill have done OK, and Sale semi-OK so far; it's not hard to imagine a 5-man post-TJ rotation at some time. Pivetta is the only uncut starter, right? Plus Houck? Let me be clearer, because I probably wasn't sufficiently so: my point is that you need to bake in the possibility that he doesn't come back the same. A guy certainly can come back better than before, but we often assume a pitcher will bounce back 2 years later like nothing happened, and that's just not always how it works, especially for minor leaguers. Can't really look at the MLB rotation because there's selection bias there - those are the guys who came back fine. The guys who didn't wouldn't still be in the MLB rotation, if even in MLB.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 11, 2022 10:16:23 GMT -5
Mata at 4 feels like assuming no ill effects from TJS, which the guy at 5 feels like a prime example of not being the case. And even on that standard he passed Groome on their list. How is it possible that someone thought Groome was better than Mata before Mata's surgery, but now is higher on Mata after Groome had a very solid season and strong finish? I don't usually get hung up on moving a player a spot or two but that feels very impossible to justify! Geoff Pontes (fka Ralph Lifshitz) just left them for BA and he was their main Red Sox guy, so that easily could've changed the internal thinking on guys. If he was the one who was flying the flag for Groome, you could see that leading to him dropping a bit. Just a thought.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 11, 2022 10:25:11 GMT -5
Ah, that squares then.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 11, 2022 14:02:41 GMT -5
I have the rest of the Prospects Live list (assuming it's okay to just post the list and FVs without any further detail)
11 Wilkelman Gonzalez, 45 12 Brainer Bonaci, 45 13 Gilberto Jimenez, 45 14 Brandon Walter, 45 15 Tyler McDonough, 45 16 Connor Seabold, 45 17 Thaddeus Ward, 45 18 Chih-Jung Liu, 45 19 Noah Song, 45 20 Chris Murphy, 40 21 Kutter Crawford, 40 22 Eddinson Paulino, 40 23 Juan Daniel Encarnacion, 40 24 Alex Binelas, 40 25 Ronaldo Hernandez, 40 26 Jeisson Rosario, 40 27 Connor Wong, 40 28 Bryan Gonzalez, 40 29 Miguel Bleis, 40 30 David Hamilton, 40
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Post by borisman on Feb 11, 2022 15:00:22 GMT -5
In regards to Winckowski, every scout and site is going to see something different but it gives me some serious hope they'll get something out of him and some of the push back from this site shows just how far this farm has come since Bloom took over. There's some very solid depth to go along with the big 3 of Casas, Mayer and Yorke. It's a fun time to be a soxprospect reader/poster. It's been a few years since we've had a system this deep. It could skyrocket as only a couple of them will graduate so they system ranking could be top 5 by years' end. It really is a fun time to be a follower. Lots of new prospects to follow in the lower minors as well.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 15, 2022 7:22:41 GMT -5
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Feb 15, 2022 7:48:28 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Feb 15, 2022 8:34:24 GMT -5
Interesting note on Groome from Law: Mamas, teach your sons to throw sliders instead of curveballs
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Post by jimoh on Feb 15, 2022 9:04:47 GMT -5
What does Law mean by saying Mayer has a "solid floor as a soft regular"?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Feb 15, 2022 9:22:33 GMT -5
What does Law mean by saying Mayer has a "solid floor as a soft regular"? It's better than his, "cavan biggio doesn't deserve a roster spot"
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Post by bosox904 on Feb 15, 2022 9:33:30 GMT -5
Here's his full top 20, assume it's ok since other list behind a paywall are also posted. Also if it's ok, I have 3 guest passes for the Athletic available if anyone wants them.
1. Marcelo Mayer 2. Nick Yorke 3. Triston Casas 4. Brayan Bello 5. Jeter Downs 6. Jarren Duran 7. Jay Groome 8. Brandon Walter 9. Matt Lugo 10. Bryan Mata 11. Chris Murphy 12. Gilberto Jimenez 13. Blaze Jordan 14. Thad Ward 15. Ronaldo Hernandez 16. Alex Binelas 17. Wilkelman Gonzalez 18. Branier Bonaci 19. Connor Seabold 20. Ceddanne Rafaela
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 15, 2022 10:02:26 GMT -5
That's an interesting take on Lugo. He says that he should get to average power eventually and his defense has improved a lot. Winckowski didn't even make his "others of note".
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Feb 15, 2022 10:15:20 GMT -5
That's an interesting take on Lugo. He says that he should get to average power eventually and his defense has improved a lot. Winckowski didn't even make his "others of note".
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 15, 2022 10:51:44 GMT -5
Here's his full top 20, assume it's ok since other list behind a paywall are also posted. Also if it's ok, I have 3 guest passes for the Athletic available if anyone wants them. 1. Marcelo Mayer 2. Nick Yorke 3. Triston Casas 4. Brayan Bello 5. Jeter Downs 6. Jarren Duran 7. Jay Groome 8. Brandon Walter 9. Matt Lugo 10. Bryan Mata 11. Chris Murphy 12. Gilberto Jimenez 13. Blaze Jordan 14. Thad Ward 15. Ronaldo Hernandez 16. Alex Binelas 17. Wilkelman Gonzalez 18. Branier Bonaci 19. Connor Seabold 20. Ceddanne Rafaela I'll take a guest pass thank you.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 18, 2022 10:06:29 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 18, 2022 10:23:14 GMT -5
Interesting that in the writeup he says Tristan Casas should be ready to takeover for JD at some point. Does that mean he sees Casas as the future DH? Or taking over as a cheaper middle of the lineup bat? Or some combo of both, as I suppose they arent mutually exclusive. He doesn't explain it nor would I expect him to since it's a leaguewide article and not red sox specific but I'd love to know his rationale behind that sentence.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 18, 2022 10:29:07 GMT -5
Interesting that in the writeup he says Tristan Casas should be ready to takeover for JD at some point. Does that mean he sees Casas as the future DH? Or taking over as a cheaper middle of the lineup bat? Or some combo of both, as I suppose they arent mutually exclusive. He doesn't explain it nor would I expect him to since it's a leaguewide article and not red sox specific but I'd love to know his rationale behind that sentence. I'd venture the guess that he sees Dalbec as the 1b and Devers as the 3b and sees DH as the way for Casas to break into the lineup. With the universal DH, he's guessing that if the Sox struggle, JDM gets traded at some point midseason (I wouldn't be shocked if he were dealt prior to the beginning of the season), or perhaps next year Casas winds up with the DH spot when JDM leaves via free agency.
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 18, 2022 10:38:58 GMT -5
Interesting that in the writeup he says Tristan Casas should be ready to takeover for JD at some point. Does that mean he sees Casas as the future DH? Or taking over as a cheaper middle of the lineup bat? Or some combo of both, as I suppose they arent mutually exclusive. He doesn't explain it nor would I expect him to since it's a leaguewide article and not red sox specific but I'd love to know his rationale behind that sentence. I'd venture the guess that he sees Dalbec as the 1b and Devers as the 3b and sees DH as the way for Casas to break into the lineup. With the universal DH, he's guessing that if the Sox struggle, JDM gets traded at some point midseason (I wouldn't be shocked if he were dealt prior to the beginning of the season), or perhaps next year Casas winds up with the DH spot when JDM leaves via free agency. That would make sense I hadnt thought of that. I'll be honest I kind of forgot about dalbec. I guess overall I'm more interested in Casas taking over first base and Devers playing a healthy dose of DH but I'm also not bullish on dalbec so that's just one fans humble opinion.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 18, 2022 10:48:55 GMT -5
I'd venture the guess that he sees Dalbec as the 1b and Devers as the 3b and sees DH as the way for Casas to break into the lineup. With the universal DH, he's guessing that if the Sox struggle, JDM gets traded at some point midseason (I wouldn't be shocked if he were dealt prior to the beginning of the season), or perhaps next year Casas winds up with the DH spot when JDM leaves via free agency. That would make sense I hadnt thought of that. I'll be honest I kind of forgot about dalbec. I guess overall I'm more interested in Casas taking over first base and Devers playing a healthy dose of DH but I'm also not bullish on dalbec so that's just one fans humble opinion. I get where you're coming from. I'm not sold on Dalbec's 2nd half as his new level. He's a decent player, but I think he'll always have long stretches where he's out of sync and looks terrible followed by stretches where he's a monster at the plate. I think that adds up to a good player, but it also adds up to a guy with great trade value given his low salary, so when I think of them going forward from 2023 on, I don't think of him necessarily as a core player. But that could simply be my take and perhaps he does take the big step forward for the entirety of the season and if he does, then I'll change my assessment and yeah, Casas will either be the 1b, with Dalbec DHing or vice versa, assuming that Dalbec is not an improvement defensively over Devers, although to save wear and tear, the 3 players could rotate somewhat between 1b, 3b, and DH just to stay fresh over the course of the season.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 18, 2022 11:55:20 GMT -5
I just took it to mean with his bat, which isn't wrong.
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Post by joshuacoffee on Feb 22, 2022 16:29:32 GMT -5
Just Baseball did a Top 10 video (with some extras) for the Sox system. They seem to really, really, like the top 4 and project Bello as a high end number 3. Noted that Duran graduated out of their rankings. Talked briefly about a number of other guys just outside of the top 10 Overall a pretty good video and worth a watch/listen. 1. Triston Casas 2. Marcelo Mayer 3. Nick Yorke 4. Brayan Bello 5. Jeter Downs 6. Jay Groome 7. Blaze Jordan 8. Bryan Mata 9. Connor Seabold 10. Chris Murphy
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Post by Manuel De Moya on Feb 23, 2022 9:05:12 GMT -5
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