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Who should the Red Sox extend in 2022?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 0:00:22 GMT -5
You pay for expected future performance (not the past)! What position will X play. His range at SS is decreasing and if he is unwilling to change positions….. If X wants to get paid, he needs to play where the guy with the checkbook asks him to play! If you think for 1 second he isn’t going to get paid somewhere else you’re not being honest with yourself. He’s by far the most consistent hitter on on this team and losing JD and not paying this man is going to make our offense even worse if that’s possible. 4 years 90 million is what we offered him. I would spit on Blooms face, who I absolutely trust if I was him as the face of the franchise. Maybe if he’s offered 30+ mill a year like he deserves he will be willing to change positions. I’ve watched almost every game this year and his defense isn’t keeping us from winning i’ll tell you that right now. wow, so you watched games THIS YEAR. So what! The contract will be for something like 7 to 10 years, so a GM has to be confident in his future performance…… dah
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Post by grandsalami on May 17, 2022 0:02:50 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on May 17, 2022 17:49:47 GMT -5
Spoke to Scott Boras this afternoon. He said definitively that any negotiations with Xander Bogaerts would wait until after the season and he looks forward to talking to the Red Sox about a “championship proven player.” … More to come later
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 17, 2022 19:37:23 GMT -5
Spoke to Scott Boras this afternoon. He said definitively that any negotiations with Xander Bogaerts would wait until after the season and he looks forward to talking to the Red Sox about a “championship proven player.” … More to come later In other words, Boras is saying no hometown discounts.
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Post by incandenza on May 17, 2022 21:14:17 GMT -5
Boras' tendency to pursue his own interest at the expense of his clients' (e.g., Correa, Conforto, Rocker) probably means we should discount any hints Bogaerts himself gives about his personal desire or willingness to stay in Boston.
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Post by wcsoxfan on May 17, 2022 23:32:49 GMT -5
Boras' tendency to pursue his own interest at the expense of his clients' (e.g., Correa, Conforto, Rocker) probably means we should discount any hints Bogaerts himself gives about his personal desire or willingness to stay in Boston. Boras, of course, wants to sign his players for the largest $$ amount possible. That earns him more money and makes his agency look better to prospective clients. But the player is still in charge and Boras will get them what they want. See: Jason Varitek. At this point, it certainly seems that Xander cares more about getting as much money as possible than staying in Boston; unfortunately.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on May 18, 2022 6:13:50 GMT -5
Boras' tendency to pursue his own interest at the expense of his clients' (e.g., Correa, Conforto, Rocker) probably means we should discount any hints Bogaerts himself gives about his personal desire or willingness to stay in Boston. Boras, of course, wants to sign his players for the largest $$ amount possible. That earns him more money and makes his agency look better to prospective clients. But the player is still in charge and Boras will get them what they want. See: Jason Varitek. At this point, it certainly seems that Xander cares more about getting as much money as possible than staying in Boston; unfortunately. On the flip side the team seems like it's about getting value for each position instead of spending a bunch of money on a star player. Xander took a discount once before but why would he take one now? It's a much different team than what it was a few years ago and staying on a 4th place team might not be the best thing for either party at this point. The thing the Sox have to figure out is how wide is the gap between Trevor Story and Xander Boegarts? Is it worth an extra 10-12 million? Where else can they put that extra 10-12 million now that they're saving it by moving on from Xander. In the next 6 months we're looking at the real possibility that Devers, Xander, JD, Nate, and Vazquez are no longer with the team and will be replaced with players who might not be as good but does save the team money to address other needs and/or youngsters in AAA.
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Post by ematz1423 on May 18, 2022 7:17:49 GMT -5
Boras, of course, wants to sign his players for the largest $$ amount possible. That earns him more money and makes his agency look better to prospective clients. But the player is still in charge and Boras will get them what they want. See: Jason Varitek. At this point, it certainly seems that Xander cares more about getting as much money as possible than staying in Boston; unfortunately. On the flip side the team seems like it's about getting value for each position instead of spending a bunch of money on a star player. Xander took a discount once before but why would he take one now? It's a much different team than what it was a few years ago and staying on a 4th place team might not be the best thing for either party at this point. The thing the Sox have to figure out is how wide is the gap between Trevor Story and Xander Boegarts? Is it worth an extra 10-12 million? Where else can they put that extra 10-12 million now that they're saving it by moving on from Xander. In the next 6 months we're looking at the real possibility that Devers, Xander, JD, Nate, and Vazquez are no longer with the team and will be replaced with players who might not be as good but does save the team money to address other needs and/or youngsters in AAA. I obviously would love for the team to be more well rounded and lengthen the lineup since as we've seen so far this year 4-5 guys can't carry a baseball team. However I don't much care for pulling the old tradeoff of a dollar for 4 quarters idea that unfortunately it seems like they're going to do if they move on from xandy, Rafi, Eovaldi and JD. This coming free agent class doesn't inspire much confidence that there is enough out there to say the spread the wealth idea is going to work. Quite frankly this FA class stinks. In terms of position players there's Casas, Duran and maybe Downs as possible guys to join the MLB team next year as far as I can tell. They're in a tough spot in my eyes either way.
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Post by costpet on May 18, 2022 8:45:58 GMT -5
I think they have to sign Devers. The rest I don’t care. They have a loaded farm system with players better than they have now. They may take a while to be ready, but the wait is worth it. If they sign some free agents in the off season, it should only be for 1 year. Then promote the future stars.
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Post by manfred on May 18, 2022 9:27:01 GMT -5
I think they have to sign Devers. The rest I don’t care. They have a loaded farm system with players better than they have now. They may take a while to be ready, but the wait is worth it. If they sign some free agents in the off season, it should only be for 1 year. Then promote the future stars. People say this, but I don’t get it. Who are the guys you mean? Certainly Casas projects better than our mess at 1b. What else, though? Realistically, even Mayer, say, can’t be expected to be Xander… a possible HOFer. I mean, he’ll possibly be better 7 years from now when Xander is old, if that is what you mean… though I am not 100% sure of that. But I’m not seeing the “loaded” for upper-tier players. They have a great chance of being better than the bottom of their lineup is now, but no one (minus Casas) looks like one of their big boppers. So somehow they need to replicate X, JDM, and Devers (which might be via resigning) without an internal candidate. Or the case *could* be made they’ll spread production. But even then… they don’t have a catcher, outfield is thin, if Devers walks 3b is thin… that “spread” is not *that* spread. In short, if 2 of those 3 walk, the production is going to be hard to replace.
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Post by incandenza on May 18, 2022 9:42:55 GMT -5
I think they have to sign Devers. The rest I don’t care. They have a loaded farm system with players better than they have now. They may take a while to be ready, but the wait is worth it. If they sign some free agents in the off season, it should only be for 1 year. Then promote the future stars. People say this, but I don’t get it. Who are the guys you mean? Certainly Casas projects better than our mess at 1b. What else, though? Realistically, even Mayer, say, can’t be expected to be Xander… a possible HOFer. I mean, he’ll possibly be better 7 years from now when Xander is old, if that is what you mean… though I am not 100% sure of that. But I’m not seeing the “loaded” for upper-tier players. They have a great chance of being better than the bottom of their lineup is now, but no one (minus Casas) looks like one of their big boppers. So somehow they need to replicate X, JDM, and Devers (which might be via resigning) without an internal candidate. Or the case *could* be made they’ll spread production. But even then… they don’t have a catcher, outfield is thin, if Devers walks 3b is thin… that “spread” is not *that* spread. In short, if 2 of those 3 walk, the production is going to be hard to replace. Regardless of whether they walk or are re-signed, the production is going to be hard to replace.
Last season I think they spent about $47 million on Xander/Devers/JDM and got about 12 WAR out of them. And this season they're on pace to be even more productive and cost-effective. It might cost $70 million/year if they were to re-sign all 3, so even if they did that they'd be weakening the team, in terms of their spending power. And if they let them all go, then... good luck getting that much value on the free agent market. It's kind of a tough spot to be in.
And I agree on the prospects. None of them can be pencilled in as stars, by any means. I think the best hope is that a lot of the upper minors pitching depth comes through for them, so they can go a few years with good cost-controlld pitching (Houck and Whitlock included). Then they can spend on position players - including, at the very least, a Devers extension or re-signing, inshallah.
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Post by ortiz on May 18, 2022 9:51:09 GMT -5
Boras, of course, wants to sign his players for the largest $$ amount possible. That earns him more money and makes his agency look better to prospective clients. But the player is still in charge and Boras will get them what they want. See: Jason Varitek. At this point, it certainly seems that Xander cares more about getting as much money as possible than staying in Boston; unfortunately. On the flip side the team seems like it's about getting value for each position instead of spending a bunch of money on a star player. Xander took a discount once before but why would he take one now? It's a much different team than what it was a few years ago and staying on a 4th place team might not be the best thing for either party at this point. The thing the Sox have to figure out is how wide is the gap between Trevor Story and Xander Boegarts? Is it worth an extra 10-12 million? Where else can they put that extra 10-12 million now that they're saving it by moving on from Xander. In the next 6 months we're looking at the real possibility that Devers, Xander, JD, Nate, and Vazquez are no longer with the team and will be replaced with players who might not be as good but does save the team money to address other needs and/or youngsters in AAA. It's not just about the 10-12 million but it's about the 10-12 million for 6-8 years, for a soon to be 2B, 3B (they better sign Raffy)? Love Xander, but no thank you.
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Post by manfred on May 18, 2022 9:51:19 GMT -5
People say this, but I don’t get it. Who are the guys you mean? Certainly Casas projects better than our mess at 1b. What else, though? Realistically, even Mayer, say, can’t be expected to be Xander… a possible HOFer. I mean, he’ll possibly be better 7 years from now when Xander is old, if that is what you mean… though I am not 100% sure of that. But I’m not seeing the “loaded” for upper-tier players. They have a great chance of being better than the bottom of their lineup is now, but no one (minus Casas) looks like one of their big boppers. So somehow they need to replicate X, JDM, and Devers (which might be via resigning) without an internal candidate. Or the case *could* be made they’ll spread production. But even then… they don’t have a catcher, outfield is thin, if Devers walks 3b is thin… that “spread” is not *that* spread. In short, if 2 of those 3 walk, the production is going to be hard to replace. Regardless of whether they walk or are re-signed, the production is going to be hard to replace.
Last season I think they spent about $47 million on Xander/Devers/JDM and got about 12 WAR out of them. And this season they're on pace to be even more productive and cost-effective. It might cost $70 million/year if they were to re-sign all 3, so even if they did that they'd be weakening the team, in terms of their spending power. And if they let them all go, then... good luck getting that much value on the free agent market. It's kind of a tough spot to be in.
And I agree on the prospects. None of them can be pencilled in as stars, by any means. I think the best hope is that a lot of the upper minors pitching depth comes through for them, so they can go a few years with good cost-controlld pitching (Houck and Whitlock included). Then they can spend on position players - including, at the very least, a Devers extension or re-signing, inshallah.
Agree with this 100% — it is a real pinch. I am certainly not happy with the idea of going long on JDM, for example, but I also don’t see how they can replace him for the next 2-3 years. Damned later if you do, damned sooner if you don’t.
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Post by ematz1423 on May 18, 2022 10:03:40 GMT -5
People say this, but I don’t get it. Who are the guys you mean? Certainly Casas projects better than our mess at 1b. What else, though? Realistically, even Mayer, say, can’t be expected to be Xander… a possible HOFer. I mean, he’ll possibly be better 7 years from now when Xander is old, if that is what you mean… though I am not 100% sure of that. But I’m not seeing the “loaded” for upper-tier players. They have a great chance of being better than the bottom of their lineup is now, but no one (minus Casas) looks like one of their big boppers. So somehow they need to replicate X, JDM, and Devers (which might be via resigning) without an internal candidate. Or the case *could* be made they’ll spread production. But even then… they don’t have a catcher, outfield is thin, if Devers walks 3b is thin… that “spread” is not *that* spread. In short, if 2 of those 3 walk, the production is going to be hard to replace. Regardless of whether they walk or are re-signed, the production is going to be hard to replace.
Last season I think they spent about $47 million on Xander/Devers/JDM and got about 12 WAR out of them. And this season they're on pace to be even more productive and cost-effective. It might cost $70 million/year if they were to re-sign all 3, so even if they did that they'd be weakening the team, in terms of their spending power. And if they let them all go, then... good luck getting that much value on the free agent market. It's kind of a tough spot to be in.
And I agree on the prospects. None of them can be pencilled in as stars, by any means. I think the best hope is that a lot of the upper minors pitching depth comes through for them, so they can go a few years with good cost-controlld pitching (Houck and Whitlock included). Then they can spend on position players - including, at the very least, a Devers extension or re-signing, inshallah.
I think the three of us are all of similar mindset of the scenario the sox find themselves in. Firstly I'll say the farm is not loaded, it's better than when Bloom took over and so far this year there's many intriguing players putting up good numbers and developing. However it's still early and most farm ranking sites have them in the 10-20 range. For near term position players who can possibly be impact players I see Casas and maybe Duran and Downs. So you lose one of the top 5 SS in terms of hitting, a middle of the lineup DH and possibly Devers a top 5-10 3rd base in terms of hitting who is 25. The outfield is a mess and needs serious addressing. Good luck in any free agent class of replacing that type of talent they're possibly looking at losing none the less this coming one and on top of that fixing the crappy OF. And that's without even looking at the pitching side which I won't even go there. Long story short, if Xander, Devers and JD all leave we're now looking at Trevor Story and... well not much else for players with a track record of being above average players and a crappy free agent class to spread out money to. Obviously there will be additions and transactions to fill in the blanks but through my eyes I'm seeing a rough stretch of baseball for the next 1.5 years maybe more if xandy and Devers are not extended. I'll end by saying even though JD is doing well and is a loss, I don't care for full time DHs that much and certainly not one for 20 mil a year so if Bloom doesn't see value there I can get behind that.
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Post by mobaz on May 18, 2022 10:08:03 GMT -5
Also remember that Devers is younger than Duran. Which never stops blowing my mind.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on May 18, 2022 10:50:09 GMT -5
Regardless of whether they walk or are re-signed, the production is going to be hard to replace.
Last season I think they spent about $47 million on Xander/Devers/JDM and got about 12 WAR out of them. And this season they're on pace to be even more productive and cost-effective. It might cost $70 million/year if they were to re-sign all 3, so even if they did that they'd be weakening the team, in terms of their spending power. And if they let them all go, then... good luck getting that much value on the free agent market. It's kind of a tough spot to be in.
And I agree on the prospects. None of them can be pencilled in as stars, by any means. I think the best hope is that a lot of the upper minors pitching depth comes through for them, so they can go a few years with good cost-controlld pitching (Houck and Whitlock included). Then they can spend on position players - including, at the very least, a Devers extension or re-signing, inshallah.
I think the three of us are all of similar mindset of the scenario the sox find themselves in. Firstly I'll say the farm is not loaded, it's better than when Bloom took over and so far this year there's many intriguing players putting up good numbers and developing. However it's still early and most farm ranking sites have them in the 10-20 range. For near term position players who can possibly be impact players I see Casas and maybe Duran and Downs. So you lose one of the top 5 SS in terms of hitting, a middle of the lineup DH and possibly Devers a top 5-10 3rd base in terms of hitting who is 25. The outfield is a mess and needs serious addressing. Good luck in any free agent class of replacing that type of talent they're possibly looking at losing none the less this coming one and on top of that fixing the crappy OF. And that's without even looking at the pitching side which I won't even go there. Long story short, if Xander, Devers and JD all leave we're now looking at Trevor Story and... well not much else for players with a track record of being above average players and a crappy free agent class to spread out money to. Obviously there will be additions and transactions to fill in the blanks but through my eyes I'm seeing a rough stretch of baseball for the next 1.5 years maybe more if xandy and Devers are not extended. I'll end by saying even though JD is doing well and is a loss, I don't care for full time DHs that much and certainly not one for 20 mil a year so if Bloom doesn't see value there I can get behind that. I don't want them to play in FA next year because its probably the weakest class in a decade. Bottom line is you can't let Xander and to a lesser extent JD and Nate get to FA and leave for nothing. I think you really have to start listening to offers at this point especially if the end game is to trade Devers and Xander which is lunacy. But if you're going to do that you need to get the best return possible
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Post by incandenza on May 18, 2022 10:59:52 GMT -5
Regardless of whether they walk or are re-signed, the production is going to be hard to replace.
Last season I think they spent about $47 million on Xander/Devers/JDM and got about 12 WAR out of them. And this season they're on pace to be even more productive and cost-effective. It might cost $70 million/year if they were to re-sign all 3, so even if they did that they'd be weakening the team, in terms of their spending power. And if they let them all go, then... good luck getting that much value on the free agent market. It's kind of a tough spot to be in.
And I agree on the prospects. None of them can be pencilled in as stars, by any means. I think the best hope is that a lot of the upper minors pitching depth comes through for them, so they can go a few years with good cost-controlld pitching (Houck and Whitlock included). Then they can spend on position players - including, at the very least, a Devers extension or re-signing, inshallah.
I think the three of us are all of similar mindset of the scenario the sox find themselves in. Firstly I'll say the farm is not loaded, it's better than when Bloom took over and so far this year there's many intriguing players putting up good numbers and developing. However it's still early and most farm ranking sites have them in the 10-20 range. For near term position players who can possibly be impact players I see Casas and maybe Duran and Downs. So you lose one of the top 5 SS in terms of hitting, a middle of the lineup DH and possibly Devers a top 5-10 3rd base in terms of hitting who is 25. The outfield is a mess and needs serious addressing. Good luck in any free agent class of replacing that type of talent they're possibly looking at losing none the less this coming one and on top of that fixing the crappy OF. And that's without even looking at the pitching side which I won't even go there. Long story short, if Xander, Devers and JD all leave we're now looking at Trevor Story and... well not much else for players with a track record of being above average players and a crappy free agent class to spread out money to. Obviously there will be additions and transactions to fill in the blanks but through my eyes I'm seeing a rough stretch of baseball for the next 1.5 years maybe more if xandy and Devers are not extended. I'll end by saying even though JD is doing well and is a loss, I don't care for full time DHs that much and certainly not one for 20 mil a year so if Bloom doesn't see value there I can get behind that. Yes, general agreement here. But if this is the glass-half-empty version of the consensus, there's also a glass-half-full version:
-ZIPS projects Xander for 8.4 WAR in 2023-34, whereas Story is projected for... 8.4. They've already retained a shortstop for the next couple of years at basically the same discount rate they've been getting with Xander already. And if Xander leaves, that's $20 million/year to spend on another roster addition.
-With Price's dead money coming off the books, there's no reason they can't extend/re-sign Devers. If PR means anything at all to this front office (and it might not), they sort of have to, after already seeing Betts and, presumably, Bogaerts go. And even aside from that, a winning team needs a few 5 WAR type players; hard to see where that comes from without a big outlay of cash. So they might as well spend it on Devers. -JDM is fairly replaceable, maybe even very cheaply, if Casas comes through.
So there's upside to a 2023-24 lineup built around Devers, Story, Verdugo, Casas, and lots of money to add on from there, combined with a pitching staff with a fair amount of cost-controlled talent.
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Post by manfred on May 18, 2022 11:01:09 GMT -5
I think the three of us are all of similar mindset of the scenario the sox find themselves in. Firstly I'll say the farm is not loaded, it's better than when Bloom took over and so far this year there's many intriguing players putting up good numbers and developing. However it's still early and most farm ranking sites have them in the 10-20 range. For near term position players who can possibly be impact players I see Casas and maybe Duran and Downs. So you lose one of the top 5 SS in terms of hitting, a middle of the lineup DH and possibly Devers a top 5-10 3rd base in terms of hitting who is 25. The outfield is a mess and needs serious addressing. Good luck in any free agent class of replacing that type of talent they're possibly looking at losing none the less this coming one and on top of that fixing the crappy OF. And that's without even looking at the pitching side which I won't even go there. Long story short, if Xander, Devers and JD all leave we're now looking at Trevor Story and... well not much else for players with a track record of being above average players and a crappy free agent class to spread out money to. Obviously there will be additions and transactions to fill in the blanks but through my eyes I'm seeing a rough stretch of baseball for the next 1.5 years maybe more if xandy and Devers are not extended. I'll end by saying even though JD is doing well and is a loss, I don't care for full time DHs that much and certainly not one for 20 mil a year so if Bloom doesn't see value there I can get behind that. I don't want them to play in FA next year because its probably the weakest class in a decade. Bottom line is you can't let Xander and to a lesser extent JD and Nate get to FA and leave for nothing. I think you really have to start listening to offers at this point especially if the end game is to trade Devers and Xander which is lunacy. But if you're going to do that you need to get the best return possible I am not saying there are good options, but the return for guys entering FA year will be disappointing, I fear. Not to relitigate trading Mookie, but they hardly got transformative pieces. Verdugo is ok, and Downs *might* be getting it together… but it is not exactly the next wave. So what do you hope to get for these guys? Similar packages don’t really set you up for the next big push. Again, I’m not saying I have answers beyond saying I think they really need to sign Raffy and X if they hope to be real contenders in the next 3 years. If they want to punt on the next 3 years, maybe they can get 10 low-level lottery tickets for the bunch of their stars and hope they kill it in 2026.
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Post by incandenza on May 18, 2022 11:05:49 GMT -5
I don't want them to play in FA next year because its probably the weakest class in a decade. Bottom line is you can't let Xander and to a lesser extent JD and Nate get to FA and leave for nothing. I think you really have to start listening to offers at this point especially if the end game is to trade Devers and Xander which is lunacy. But if you're going to do that you need to get the best return possible I am not saying there are good options, but the return for guys entering FA year will be disappointing, I fear. Not to relitigate trading Mookie, but they hardly got transformative pieces. Verdugo is ok, and Downs *might* be getting it together… but it is not exactly the next wave. So what do you hope to get for these guys? Similar packages don’t really set you up for the next big push. Again, I’m not saying I have answers beyond saying I think they really need to sign Raffy and X if they hope to be real contenders in the next 3 years. If they want to punt on the next 3 years, maybe they can get 10 low-level lottery tickets for the bunch of their stars and hope they kill it in 2026. But why do they need to re-sign *these* guys to be real contenders in the next 3 years? Whether it's these guys or some other free agents, it's clear that they'll be paying free agent rates.
I of course hope they re-sign Xander and Devers (especially Devers), because I love them both very, very much. But I don't see how the team's success depends on it in any way.
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Post by manfred on May 18, 2022 11:13:48 GMT -5
I am not saying there are good options, but the return for guys entering FA year will be disappointing, I fear. Not to relitigate trading Mookie, but they hardly got transformative pieces. Verdugo is ok, and Downs *might* be getting it together… but it is not exactly the next wave. So what do you hope to get for these guys? Similar packages don’t really set you up for the next big push. Again, I’m not saying I have answers beyond saying I think they really need to sign Raffy and X if they hope to be real contenders in the next 3 years. If they want to punt on the next 3 years, maybe they can get 10 low-level lottery tickets for the bunch of their stars and hope they kill it in 2026. But why do they need to re-sign *these* guys to be real contenders in the next 3 years? Whether it's these guys or some other free agents, it's clear that they'll be paying free agent rates.
I of course hope they re-sign Xander and Devers (especially Devers), because I love them both very, very much. But I don't see how the team's success depends on it in any way.
Perhaps… but who? It is a terrible year. So maybe next year’s class?
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Post by incandenza on May 18, 2022 11:31:22 GMT -5
But why do they need to re-sign *these* guys to be real contenders in the next 3 years? Whether it's these guys or some other free agents, it's clear that they'll be paying free agent rates.
I of course hope they re-sign Xander and Devers (especially Devers), because I love them both very, very much. But I don't see how the team's success depends on it in any way.
Perhaps… but who? It is a terrible year. So maybe next year’s class? Well they still have Devers for 2023, so this offseason they would just need to replace Xander. So... Correa? Trea Turner? Um, Aaron Judge? Admittedly, it drops off pretty quickly after that. (I still want Bloom to go to Boras and say, "how 'bout the same deal for Xander you just got for Correa?")
After next season there's Machado if he opts out, Matt Chapman (though he's not as good), and... Devers.
Boy, honestly, the logic for them keeping Devers just seems overwhelming, I think, especially if he can maintain his improved defensive play. It's possible Bloom's already decided he'll keep Devers at basically any price, and just calculated that what Devers is going to get as a free agent is less than whatever he was asking for in an extension. I dunno. Now I'm sort of talking myself into your view - Devers or bust. (But I still think there are ways to replace Xander.)
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Post by ematz1423 on May 18, 2022 11:41:12 GMT -5
Perhaps… but who? It is a terrible year. So maybe next year’s class? Well they still have Devers for 2023, so this offseason they would just need to replace Xander. So... Correa? Trea Turner? Um, Aaron Judge? Admittedly, it drops off pretty quickly after that. (I still want Bloom to go to Boras and say, "how 'bout the same deal for Xander you just got for Correa?")
After next season there's Machado if he opts out, Matt Chapman (though he's not as good), and... Devers.
Boy, honestly, the logic for them keeping Devers just seems overwhelming, I think, especially if he can maintain his improved defensive play. It's possible Bloom's already decided he'll keep Devers at basically any price, and just calculated that what Devers is going to get as a free agent is less than whatever he was asking for in an extension. I dunno. Now I'm sort of talking myself into your view - Devers or bust. (But I still think there are ways to replace Xander.)
The fly in the ointment of this argument is that they've shown known inclination to pay X and Devers what they're presumably worth so I have a hard time looking at Correa, Turner and Judge and believing they're legitimate options. Not saying it can't or won't happen but I have my doubts. On the flipside say they sign Judge he'd certainly go a long way in fixing the OF and the projections you pointed to for Story vs Xander at ss come true we probably are talking about a better team next year so I agree there are options and avenues they can go down that would help.
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Post by manfred on May 18, 2022 11:47:43 GMT -5
I don’t get the X and Correa comp. Correa has played 150+ games once. He gad a disproportionately great year in 2017 at age 22, but has not had numbers like that again. Since then 2018-present, X gas an OPS+ of 134, Correa of 117. That seems like a big difference. And X is far more durable.
I’d be really pissed if they let X go but signed Correa.
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Post by incandenza on May 18, 2022 11:47:59 GMT -5
Well they still have Devers for 2023, so this offseason they would just need to replace Xander. So... Correa? Trea Turner? Um, Aaron Judge? Admittedly, it drops off pretty quickly after that. (I still want Bloom to go to Boras and say, "how 'bout the same deal for Xander you just got for Correa?")
After next season there's Machado if he opts out, Matt Chapman (though he's not as good), and... Devers.
Boy, honestly, the logic for them keeping Devers just seems overwhelming, I think, especially if he can maintain his improved defensive play. It's possible Bloom's already decided he'll keep Devers at basically any price, and just calculated that what Devers is going to get as a free agent is less than whatever he was asking for in an extension. I dunno. Now I'm sort of talking myself into your view - Devers or bust. (But I still think there are ways to replace Xander.)
The fly in the ointment of this argument is that they've shown known inclination to pay X and Devers what they're presumably worth so I have a hard time looking at Correa, Turner and Judge and believing they're legitimate options. Not saying it can't or won't happen but I have my doubts. Yeah, I don't see them getting in on Judge, given what he already turned down from the Yankees. I don't think it's crazy that they might be in on Correa or Turner though. [ADD: Re: manfred's comment... well there's this whole other job a shortstop has besides hitting... plus Correa is a full 2 years younger.]
As for their inclination to pay Xander or Devers, I think there's a big distinction to be made. They offered Xander 4/90 and they offered Devers over $200 million. One of those betrays a much stronger inclination than the other.
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Post by manfred on May 18, 2022 12:00:05 GMT -5
The fly in the ointment of this argument is that they've shown known inclination to pay X and Devers what they're presumably worth so I have a hard time looking at Correa, Turner and Judge and believing they're legitimate options. Not saying it can't or won't happen but I have my doubts. Yeah, I don't see them getting in on Judge, given what he already turned down from the Yankees. I don't think it's crazy that they might be in on Correa or Turner though. [ADD: Re: manfred's comment... well there's this whole other job a shortstop has besides hitting... plus Correa is a full 2 years younger.]
As for their inclination to pay Xander or Devers, I think there's a big distinction to be made. They offered Xander 4/90 and they offered Devers over $200 million. One of those betrays a much stronger inclination than the other.
Can’t field if you aren’t on the field. But also… sure, defense is a must, but the Sox can’t give away much more offense even if it improves their defense. Defense seems like the one area they have not flopped this season.
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