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Post by awall on Apr 11, 2013 7:05:17 GMT -5
Hopefully. I'm really hoping they are showcasing Drew for a future trade.
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Post by jdb on Apr 11, 2013 9:27:18 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd trade Iglesias right now bc of our revolving door we've had at SS since Nomar. At the very least he is an elite defensive SS who I could deal with for a few years if Xander has to move off at the Mlb level. It's looking like his ABs have improved and I think he won't be an automatic out. A lot can happen between now and July 31st though.
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Post by feez732 on Apr 11, 2013 13:32:10 GMT -5
From today's klaw chat. Just one man's opinion, but when people started talking about how Simmons had an 80 glove (and I believe arm) last year, I remember wondering how he compared to Iglesias.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 12, 2013 18:16:15 GMT -5
Hopefully. I'm really hoping they are showcasing Drew for a future trade. I think that you may be selling Drew a bit 'short'. From what I have read cumulatively, he is a good seasoned defender and clearly has had some rather good offensive years as well. He is playing at the MLB level because he is better overall than Iglesias at the moment and we are paying him rather large bucks. True Iglesias looks to have improved at the plate based upon reports and stats in what is quite a SSS. A few weeks ago many were thinking of Iggy as a bust (offensively) and perhaps not a starting shortstop on a top tier club. Let's let him prove himself and not dismiss Drew too readily. Just a few weeks ago this website was also wired about Jackie Bradley. He was ready for the big time people said based upon his stellar spring training stats. Now he is batting under .130 and people are saying that he needs more seasoning....And that sure seems reasonable based upon the continued exploitation of an apparent gaping hole on inside pitches. His defensive play has also been subpar at times. For me, let things play out. If a player proves that he has superior talent and skill, he will be penciled in.
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Post by jimoh on Apr 16, 2013 6:02:41 GMT -5
ht.ly/k5r6ICallis provides some love for our SS depth: "The Red Sox seem very deep at shortstop with Stephen Drew in Boston and Jose Iglesias ... Xander Bogaerts ... Deven Marrero and Jose Vinicio. Who’s the shortstop of the future? Jason Smith Enfield, Conn. Don’t forget Tzu-Wei Lin, who signed for $2.05 million out of Taiwan last June, and slick-fielding Cleuluis Rondon. The Red Sox have quality shortstop prospects for every level of their farm system. I think they’ll cycle through them from the top until they find a keeper. ... Iglesias is a defensive wizard, and if he hits enough, he’ll be Boston’s shortstop. If Iglesias can’t carry his weight offensively, .. then ...... Bogaerts has the actions, arm strength and athleticism to play there for a while. I believe Iglesias will provide enough offense, in the context of his outstanding defense, to be a solid regular. Bogaerts has the bat to be a star at any position, and he may head to right field with Iglesias and Will Middlebrooks manning the left side of Boston’s infield. If Iglesias falters and Bogaerts breaks into the majors at shortstop, he’ll eventually move if Marrero, Vinicio or Lin (the fastest player in the system) show they can do enough with the bat."
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Apr 16, 2013 7:04:39 GMT -5
I think Lin will end up being a fine Tzu-Wei player.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 16, 2013 8:04:32 GMT -5
I think Lin will end up being a fine Tzu-Wei player. I like it.
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 16, 2013 9:28:41 GMT -5
I am high on Iglesias. I just think his defense plays no matter how bad his hitting is. Now that he is putting more balls in play it is just a bonus to me. Watching other teams play I see grounders through the infield that ends up leading to runs and I think, Iglesias would have got that ball. Drew should be starting now, but I think we should have the thought of a mid season trade in the back of our minds.
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Post by awall on Apr 16, 2013 11:03:21 GMT -5
Hopefully. I'm really hoping they are showcasing Drew for a future trade. I think that you may be selling Drew a bit 'short'. From what I have read cumulatively, he is a good seasoned defender and clearly has had some rather good offensive years as well. He is playing at the MLB level because he is better overall than Iglesias at the moment and we are paying him rather large bucks. True Iglesias looks to have improved at the plate based upon reports and stats in what is quite a SSS. A few weeks ago many were thinking of Iggy as a bust (offensively) and perhaps not a starting shortstop on a top tier club. Let's let him prove himself and not dismiss Drew too readily. Just a few weeks ago this website was also wired about Jackie Bradley. He was ready for the big time people said based upon his stellar spring training stats. Now he is batting under .130 and people are saying that he needs more seasoning....And that sure seems reasonable based upon the continued exploitation of an apparent gaping hole on inside pitches. His defensive play has also been subpar at times. For me, let things play out. If a player proves that he has superior talent and skill, he will be penciled in. I don't think Drew is bad by any stretch, I just know that he isn't in the Sox's long range plans for the position.. That said, I'd hate to see them trade Iglesias if it looks like he can hit enough (.250 in my book) to justify playing every day, because I flat out love watching an elite defender at SS.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Apr 23, 2013 15:32:19 GMT -5
58 Combined AB's is nothing more than a SSS. But I still like the line to start in a crucial year for Iglesias.
.328/.360/.500/.860
The 3:11 BB:K rate is still poor though
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Post by feez732 on Apr 24, 2013 7:17:47 GMT -5
It's not particularly meaningful, but I'm counting down until Iglesias clinches a better IsoP than he had last year. Last year, between A-, AAA and the majors, he had 20 extra bases in 429 at bats. This year, between AAA and the majors, he has 10 extra base hits in 58 at bats. I just want to emphasize, those are extra bases, not extra base hits.
If he matches his at bat total from last year, he only needs 10 more extra bases in the next 371 at bats.
If we very generously put his ceiling at 600 at bats, he'll need 18 more extra bases in the next 542 at bats.
edit: Any guesses on when/if he passes each mark?
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Post by raftsox on Apr 24, 2013 8:25:44 GMT -5
There are very few stats that normalize within a small sample size, but plate discipline percentages supposedly normalize within 20 or so PAs (O-Swing, Z-Swing, etc.). Iglesias is right at that number and doesn't have enough of a track record to create any meaningful history, but that didn't stop me from looking into his comparables for 2013. He actually demonstrated good plate recognition with a 22.3% O-Swing and a 67.5% Z-Swing. And, he makes above average contact when he does swing. [He's better than average with OS%, ZS%, OC%, ZC%] I very highly limited his comparables of those 4 categories to other players within 1% point to see if there were any comparables at least so far as plate discipline stands. And there are two: David Freese and Nate Schierholtz. Taking scouting into consideration, I don't like the Freese comp because he hits for more power, average and will likely walk a bit more. However, Schierholtz is an intriguing offensive comp. I can't tell you if I've ever seen him play more than a game or two; anyone out there see a resemblance?
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 24, 2013 14:12:53 GMT -5
A very fun highlight video to watch (probably on mute)
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Post by jmei on Apr 24, 2013 15:05:11 GMT -5
A very fun highlight video to watch (probably on mute) Oh my god, this kid is obscene. I'm having uncontrollable giggle fits at how ridiculous his defense is. The two plays starting at 0:23 are pretty absurd, as is the one at 2:17.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 24, 2013 16:15:44 GMT -5
A very fun highlight video to watch (probably on mute) Wow. I didn't know YouTube allowed porn.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 24, 2013 16:31:13 GMT -5
The longer I watch mere mortals play short the more the legend of Jose Iglesias grows in my mind. He has already reached the folk hero status of Paul Bunyan and Johnny Appleseed. Every time I see a ground ball get between third and short, I say to myself, "Iglesias would have had that!"
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Post by azblue on Apr 24, 2013 17:01:22 GMT -5
I fully understand why Drew is starting and get it that he needs to relax, take more pitches and gain confidence at the plate, but, my gosh!
If Iglesias is able to create two additional defensive outs a week more than a slightly above average major league shortstip, doesn't that sufficiently offset issues with the bat?
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Post by ray88h66 on Apr 24, 2013 19:26:43 GMT -5
A very fun highlight video to watch (probably on mute) Great stuff, thanks for posting.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 24, 2013 20:30:28 GMT -5
A very fun highlight video to watch (probably on mute) My breathing got kind of intense as I watched this. I wish I was kidding.
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Post by mainesox on Apr 24, 2013 22:07:27 GMT -5
My favorite part was the solitary home run highlight.
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Post by pkelly491 on Apr 24, 2013 22:22:23 GMT -5
That video absolutely made my night. Kid is so fun to watch on defense. That play against Longoria was unreal.
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Post by glassox on Apr 24, 2013 22:35:13 GMT -5
So can someone tell me what will happen when his first contract expires. Dose he go to arbitration or free agency? How much will his ML experience time clock affect it? Thank you
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 24, 2013 22:54:08 GMT -5
A very fun highlight video to watch (probably on mute) My breathing got kind of intense as I watched this. I wish I was kidding. I thought it was kinda dumb and biased that his home run was in there. Was clearly the least deserving play. In all honesty his hands are amazing to watch. Everything he does is one fluid movement. Would of been a great Cuban boxer. I think the argument is not how many more hits would an average ss have, but how many more hits would Iglesias take away. Let drew establish value then trade so Iglesias can do this every game.
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Post by mainesox on Apr 24, 2013 23:00:32 GMT -5
So can someone tell me what will happen when his first contract expires. Dose he go to arbitration or free agency? How much will his ML experience time clock affect it? Thank you I'm about 90% certain that he goes to arbitration (or signs a new contract if the team goes that route with him). The team has a certain amount of time with the player under team control regardless of his previous contracts, and until that service time is used up he is under control by the team.
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Post by jmei on Apr 25, 2013 7:44:02 GMT -5
He'll go to arbitration unless his contract contains a specific clause which says he goes straight to free agency. Some international free agents (generally veteran Japanese players-- think Uehara, Okajima, etc.) have contracts to that effect that circumvent the standard six years of team control. However, because he signed as a 20-year-old amateur, he probably didn't negotiate a clause to that effect in his contract and I haven't heard it mentioned at all.
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