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Post by orion09 on Jun 11, 2022 20:22:56 GMT -5
What if a player had covid already? The produced natural immunity is stronger than a vaccine. Or what if a player’s physician recommends not taking it because of a pre-existing condition? I don't want to continue and prolong a conversation that's enjoyable as reading divorce papers from my ex-wife but I don't think this is actually true. And if there's a modicum of truth to it, it's certainly not irrefutable scientific fact. More than a modicum of truth, unfortunately: An Israeli study (sample size ~2.5 million) found that vaccinated individuals who hadn't previously been infected were between 6 and 13 times more likely to get infected with COVID than unvaccinated individuals with natural immunity. A different study (sample size ~32000) found that vaccinated individuals who hadn't previously been infected were about 8 times more likely to be hospitalized than unvaccinated individuals with natural immunity pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35380632/www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital
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Post by orion09 on Jun 11, 2022 20:32:44 GMT -5
Another study, this one published in Nature, found that cardiovascular-related emergency events increased by >25% in young adults following vaccine rollout. www.israelnationalnews.com/news/328529I would add that the risk of death from Covid for someone Houck's age and weight, assuming no preexisting conditions like diabetes or cancer, is roughly 1 in 500,000, while the risk of vaccine-induced myocarditis in the same age bracket is around 1 in 3,000 I'm not saying that people shouldn't get vaccinated, especially if you're older or at risk, but it's actually not a clear-cut choice if you're a young athlete
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jun 11, 2022 20:38:45 GMT -5
Another study, this one published in Nature, found that cardiovascular-related emergency events increased by >25% in young adults following vaccine rollout. www.israelnationalnews.com/news/328529I would add that the risk of death from Covid for someone Houck's age and weight, assuming no preexisting conditions like diabetes or cancer, is roughly 1 in 500,000, while the risk of vaccine-induced myocarditis in the same age bracket is around 1 in 3,000 I'm not saying that people shouldn't get vaccinated, especially if you're older or at risk, but it's actually not a clear-cut choice if you're a young athlete Onion, nothing against the Israelites, but could you find a reputable medical journal that agrees, and editing the text from the articles and then posting select paragraphs is generally frowned on. Sorry if I'm being picky, but I have a big dog in this fight.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 11, 2022 20:39:23 GMT -5
Another study, this one published in Nature, found that cardiovascular-related emergency events increased by >25% in young adults following vaccine rollout. www.israelnationalnews.com/news/328529I would add that the risk of death from Covid for someone Houck's age and weight, assuming no preexisting conditions like diabetes or cancer, is roughly 1 in 500,000, while the risk of vaccine-induced myocarditis in the same age bracket is around 1 in 3,000 I'm not saying that people shouldn't get vaccinated, especially if you're older or at risk, but it's actually not a clear-cut choice if you're a young athlete Ok Kyrie.
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Post by orion09 on Jun 11, 2022 20:39:49 GMT -5
As a final point, I would add that the "social responsibility" argument - though I would agree with it morally - is not supported by the evidence. The vaccine is very effective at preventing hospitalization and death (though natural immunity is even more effective), but it's been shown not to do much in terms of preventing transmission:
Again, not saying people shouldn't get vaccinated, especially if you're older or at risk.
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Post by orion09 on Jun 11, 2022 20:41:27 GMT -5
Another study, this one published in Nature, found that cardiovascular-related emergency events increased by >25% in young adults following vaccine rollout. www.israelnationalnews.com/news/328529I would add that the risk of death from Covid for someone Houck's age and weight, assuming no preexisting conditions like diabetes or cancer, is roughly 1 in 500,000, while the risk of vaccine-induced myocarditis in the same age bracket is around 1 in 3,000 I'm not saying that people shouldn't get vaccinated, especially if you're older or at risk, but it's actually not a clear-cut choice if you're a young athlete Onion, nothing against the Israelites, but could you find a reputable medical journal that agrees, and editing the text from the articles and then posting select paragraphs is generally frowned on. Sorry if I'm being picky, but I have a big dog in this fight. The study referred to in the article is from Nature, which is one of two or three of the most prestigious journals in the world. Here's a link to the study: www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-10928-zEdit: the COVID mortality calculation is from a calculator provided by the University of Oxford. Try running the numbers yourself and see what you come up with qcovid.org/
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 11, 2022 20:50:42 GMT -5
I really dont want to do a Covid post in this forum. I will say this, the vaccine program was a key component to slowing the spread of this virus by helping wtih immunity. I don't how that can be argued otherwise. Vaccines have lengthened human life. The negative outcomes associated with the COVID vaccine are a part of any sample size that are going to occur with a medical solution.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 11, 2022 21:10:44 GMT -5
I don't want to continue and prolong a conversation that's enjoyable as reading divorce papers from my ex-wife but I don't think this is actually true. And if there's a modicum of truth to it, it's certainly not irrefutable scientific fact. More than a modicum of truth, unfortunately: An Israeli study (sample size ~2.5 million) found that vaccinated individuals who hadn't previously been infected were between 6 and 13 times more likely to get infected with COVID than unvaccinated individuals with natural immunity. A different study (sample size ~32000) found that vaccinated individuals who hadn't previously been infected were about 8 times more likely to be hospitalized than unvaccinated individuals with natural immunity pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35380632/www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vitalI got the vax but I still believe medical decisions belong with each individual. There are consequences but avoiding societal norms and pressures, and that’s with the individual, too. At the core of it all, we are all accountable and responsible for ourselves first and foremost. If Houck or anyone else doesn’t want to engage in any medical procedure and he’s been made aware of the consequences, it’s not for me to judge the man.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 11, 2022 21:15:27 GMT -5
He's a bat God !!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 11, 2022 21:23:33 GMT -5
CVaz has to get some credit.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 11, 2022 21:24:58 GMT -5
My Lord the Mariners look awful
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Post by Guidas on Jun 11, 2022 21:25:09 GMT -5
Pay Raffi.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jun 11, 2022 21:27:02 GMT -5
Need Wacha to apply the sleeper hold. Or the Cobra Clutch.
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Post by cdj on Jun 11, 2022 21:28:09 GMT -5
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 11, 2022 21:29:30 GMT -5
Am I selfish if i want another Wacha CG ?
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jun 11, 2022 21:33:11 GMT -5
France hit the ball to Franchy!
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Post by Guidas on Jun 11, 2022 21:42:18 GMT -5
That error by Franchy already looming large.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 11, 2022 21:46:03 GMT -5
i am putting a good portion of this on Franchy.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 11, 2022 21:50:34 GMT -5
That error by Franchy already looming large. Wacha: 35 pitches, 8 batters in 1st
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2022 21:57:07 GMT -5
You can’t blame anybody for not getting vaxed. Personal choice. Let’s hope it dosnt cost us. That said Cora knows ahead of time, so try and use these guys acordingly. The hell i can't. It's a personal choice of mine to call those individuals selfish idiots Moderators need to put the shit in a different thread ! Everyone has their own opinion, so if you have one KEEP IT TO YOURSELF or put it somewhere where those of us do not have to sift through it!
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 11, 2022 22:00:56 GMT -5
3:48 last night
Approaching 1 hr in the 2nd ... game started at 10:10 ?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 11, 2022 22:07:10 GMT -5
Am I selfish if i want another Wacha CG ? i hate myself for posting this.
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Post by taiwansox on Jun 11, 2022 22:11:53 GMT -5
Losing track of outs there smh
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jun 11, 2022 22:12:44 GMT -5
4 outs. That will help Wacha's ERA.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 11, 2022 22:14:17 GMT -5
The jays and Ray lost. Nice opportunity here.
Bobby Brain Fart. LOL
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