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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2022 7:19:52 GMT -5
Assuming the Sox resign one of there pitchers who would you rather see back and for what dollars. I woulda always said Evo and I think I’m still leaning that way, but it’s getting very close IMO. 4Y /72M$?? Money always matters! Eovaldi will ask for too many years…..if Eovaldi asks for 4 years and Wacha asks for two, then the Red Sox will take Wacha. If they are all healthy: Sale Paxton Pivetta Whitlock Houck Bello Seabold Winckowski I think the Red Sox will try to keep Whitlock in the rotation (although many of us might like to see him in the pen), and Cora said Houck is still thought of as a starter (just not for this year). I do not see Eovaldi or Hill being asked to come back (too much money and too old respectively)…..maybe Wacha but depends on money and years….. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 22, 2022 9:45:01 GMT -5
I could be very wrong about this. I expect the Sox to lose both X and Devers, although there is a possibility the Sox wind up keeping X.
I do think that Eovaldi has a reasonable shot at returning to the Red Sox. I suspect that as long as the Sox are close to the market for him, he'll stay. I don't think the Sox necessarily have to be top dollar to sign him, just in the ballpark. I have nothing more than a gut feeling based on what I've read about how he feels about Boston and being with the Red Sox.
Same situation for Vazquez. I mean, Wong and Hernandez don't look like catchers that are capable of being better options than Vazquez, and the market isn't exactly flooded with Johnny Bench/Mike Piazza types out there. Vazquez is playing as well as he has played in a long time and I think Vazquez would like to be a Red Sox lifer, from everything I've read.
I mean I know a lot of players love Boston...until they get a better offer, but I get a sense that X, Vazquez, and Eovaldi are pretty geniune about it, enough to turn down a little more money elsewhere if it came down to it.
And from what I can see, Bloom needs to keep one of X or Devers, you'd think, a pitcher, and he has to have a catcher. I just suspect that Eovaldi and Vazquez will be toward the top of their markets, that you won't find a much better starting pitcher on the market or a much better starting catcher on the market, but that neither of them will be looking for Mookie money or eventually Devers money.
So I think Wacha will turn his nice season into a much larger deal, enough that the Sox decide to stay with Eovaldi.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2022 10:52:52 GMT -5
I could be very wrong about this. I expect the Sox to lose both X and Devers, although there is a possibility the Sox wind up keeping X. I do think that Eovaldi has a reasonable shot at returning to the Red Sox. I suspect that as long as the Sox are close to the market for him, he'll stay. I don't think the Sox necessarily have to be top dollar to sign him, just in the ballpark. I have nothing more than a gut feeling based on what I've read about how he feels about Boston and being with the Red Sox. Same situation for Vazquez. I mean, Wong and Hernandez don't look like catchers that are capable of being better options than Vazquez, and the market isn't exactly flooded with Johnny Bench/Mike Piazza types out there. Vazquez is playing as well as he has played in a long time and I think Vazquez would like to be a Red Sox lifer, from everything I've read. I mean I know a lot of players love Boston...until they get a better offer, but I get a sense that X, Vazquez, and Eovaldi are pretty geniune about it, enough to turn down a little more money elsewhere if it came down to it. And from what I can see, Bloom needs to keep one of X or Devers, you'd think, a pitcher, and he has to have a catcher. I just suspect that Eovaldi and Vazquez will be toward the top of their markets, that you won't find a much better starting pitcher on the market or a much better starting catcher on the market, but that neither of them will be looking for Mookie money or eventually Devers money. So I think Wacha will turn his nice season into a much larger deal, enough that the Sox decide to stay with Eovaldi. I agree with you on Vazquez! He is a solid catcher who 1) wants to stay in Boston, 2) has the respect of the pitchers and organization (the pitching staff as a whole has been very good this year and consistent catching helps), 3) I think he signs for two years at a reasonable price. I do not see the Red Sox giving Eovaldi more than three years or two with an option, so if he is ok with that I think he stays (and I think he will). Bogaerts only stays if he scales back his demands. I do not see Bloom giving more than 5 or 6 years max! He is not worth more than 25ish million per year especially if he needs to move to OF or DH, as Devers will get huge money and stay in Boston. |
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Post by nomar on Jun 22, 2022 11:18:59 GMT -5
Wacha has the 12th lowest BABIP in baseball (30 IP min). Let’s appreciate the luck he’s getting and not overpay him for it IMO.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 22, 2022 12:27:30 GMT -5
I could be very wrong about this. I expect the Sox to lose both X and Devers, although there is a possibility the Sox wind up keeping X. I do think that Eovaldi has a reasonable shot at returning to the Red Sox. I suspect that as long as the Sox are close to the market for him, he'll stay. I don't think the Sox necessarily have to be top dollar to sign him, just in the ballpark. I have nothing more than a gut feeling based on what I've read about how he feels about Boston and being with the Red Sox. Same situation for Vazquez. I mean, Wong and Hernandez don't look like catchers that are capable of being better options than Vazquez, and the market isn't exactly flooded with Johnny Bench/Mike Piazza types out there. Vazquez is playing as well as he has played in a long time and I think Vazquez would like to be a Red Sox lifer, from everything I've read. I mean I know a lot of players love Boston...until they get a better offer, but I get a sense that X, Vazquez, and Eovaldi are pretty geniune about it, enough to turn down a little more money elsewhere if it came down to it. And from what I can see, Bloom needs to keep one of X or Devers, you'd think, a pitcher, and he has to have a catcher. I just suspect that Eovaldi and Vazquez will be toward the top of their markets, that you won't find a much better starting pitcher on the market or a much better starting catcher on the market, but that neither of them will be looking for Mookie money or eventually Devers money. So I think Wacha will turn his nice season into a much larger deal, enough that the Sox decide to stay with Eovaldi. I agree with you on Vazquez! He is a solid catcher who 1) wants to stay in Boston, 2) has the respect of the pitchers and organization (the pitching staff as a whole has been very good this year and consistent catching helps), 3) I think he signs for two years at a reasonable price. I do not see the Red Sox giving Eovaldi more than three years or two with an option, so if he is ok with that I think he stays (and I think he will). Bogaerts only stays if he scales back his demands. I do not see Bloom giving more than 5 or 6 years max! He is not worth more than 25ish million per year especially if he needs to move to OF or DH, as Devers will get huge money and stay in Boston. I think with X there might be some wiggle room for him to stay. I think he'll almost bend over backwards to stay. Like Mookie, Devers loves Boston and wants to stay but like Mookie he wants to be paid at the top of his payscale more, which Boston won't do, so I anticipate that Devers could wind up being dealt this offseason or simply play out next season before leaving as a free agent. |
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Post by bosoxnation on Jun 22, 2022 15:31:08 GMT -5
Im going to say neither. Bloom doesn't buy high he buys low.
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Post by nuttyredsox on Jun 22, 2022 15:39:45 GMT -5
If Bloom finds a good deal, I belive that he will trade X, for a boat load of prospects and some ready to play.
I wish we wouldn't be in this situation, but it's what it's.
To me bringing up Downs, is the 1st sign, check him up and see where we stand.
Story can always be moved to SS, Downs to 2nd with Kiké, Arroyo and see which piece of spaghetti sticks.
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Post by nuttyredsox on Jun 22, 2022 15:50:13 GMT -5
There's an article in ESPN, MLB, by Buster Olney, that says the RS, will be on Aaron Judge, come FA.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jun 22, 2022 15:51:59 GMT -5
If Bloom finds a good deal, I belive that he will trade X, for a boat load of prospects and some ready to play. I wish we wouldn't be in this situation, but it's what it's. To me bringing up Downs, is the 1st sign, check him up and see where we stand. Story can always be moved to SS, Downs to 2nd with Kiké, Arroyo and see which piece of spaghetti sticks. Downs was the 7th best prospect in all of baseball. I think the call up is for the ML coaches and players to try and help him hit above .180 at this point or maybe he shows some promise and we package him in a deal. I don't think he's in our future plans unless its backup INF. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 22, 2022 16:24:48 GMT -5
If Bloom finds a good deal, I belive that he will trade X, for a boat load of prospects and some ready to play. I wish we wouldn't be in this situation, but it's what it's. To me bringing up Downs, is the 1st sign, check him up and see where we stand. Story can always be moved to SS, Downs to 2nd with Kiké, Arroyo and see which piece of spaghetti sticks. I'll bet any amount of money that doesn't happen. Downs is up only because Arroyo is out and Downs is the only middle infielder on the 40 to replace him. There's no way they're trading Xander either. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 22, 2022 17:12:07 GMT -5
If Bloom finds a good deal, I belive that he will trade X, for a boat load of prospects and some ready to play. I wish we wouldn't be in this situation, but it's what it's. To me bringing up Downs, is the 1st sign, check him up and see where we stand. Story can always be moved to SS, Downs to 2nd with Kiké, Arroyo and see which piece of spaghetti sticks. Downs is batting .180 for the second straight season in AAA. I doubt they're banking on him for anything at this point. The defense is fine. He runs nicely. His fielding has been better than expected. He has some decent pop. But he can't hit to save his life. If he's establishing a track record of being a .180 hitter in Pawtucket, then what does that translate to in the majors? .150? I don't think you can pencil him into anything that's in the future. At this point, he's more likely to be traded or taken off the 40 man roster than becoming a regular with the Red Sox down the road. I hope it changes because he does a lot of other things well and doesn't have to hit for a very high average to help them, but he can't be that bad at hitting, that he can project as having a future. |
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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 22, 2022 17:22:54 GMT -5
If Bloom finds a good deal, I belive that he will trade X, for a boat load of prospects and some ready to play. I wish we wouldn't be in this situation, but it's what it's. To me bringing up Downs, is the 1st sign, check him up and see where we stand. Story can always be moved to SS, Downs to 2nd with Kiké, Arroyo and see which piece of spaghetti sticks. 0 chance X is traded. First and all the Sox will most likely be in some type of a playoff race. And although I dont think they will be big buyers, they will surly not be sellers. Secondly this would be PR suicide mid season. As for what happens in the off-season, I can not say. But the Sox will most likely be in on every FA. At least in the rumor mill. Are going to have about 100M$ to flash around. That all said Id be shocked if the team let both X and Devers go. Im not sure how much Mookie wanted to stay and at the time the Sox had a pretty full payrole. Its a lot different now. As for who stays and who goes, not just X and Raffy, but all the FA ( JD, vaz, Kiké, Evo, wacha, hill, Strahm ) I think it will come to term and value. I wouldt say there is one guy that is gone forsure. Iâm not sure what to think about Judge, just to say that I dout any team will outbid MFY. I just cant see the Sox giving 300M$ Plus to a 30 year old judge and letting X and Devers test the market. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 22, 2022 17:38:34 GMT -5
The thread is called "Eovaldi or Wacha". Let's stay on topic, folks.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jun 22, 2022 19:31:28 GMT -5
The thread is called "Eovaldi or Wacha". Let's stay on topic, folks.  |
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Post by bosoxnation on Jun 22, 2022 20:58:35 GMT -5
After tonight is Wacha in the first half of the year CY-Young convo?
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jun 22, 2022 21:48:45 GMT -5
I know they can't and shouldn't do this... but I'm at least interested in what they could get for Wacha right now. Feels like they have the depth to absorb it if that's something they wanted to do
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 22, 2022 21:52:26 GMT -5
I know they can't and shouldn't do this... but I'm at least interested in what they could get for Wacha right now. Feels like they have the depth to absorb it if that's something they wanted to do Really? Were in playoff contention. Trying to get in the post-season and see what happens. Not sure I'd be trading one of your best pitchers. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 23, 2022 0:09:23 GMT -5
I know they can't and shouldn't do this... but I'm at least interested in what they could get for Wacha right now. Feels like they have the depth to absorb it if that's something they wanted to do Really? Were in playoff contention. Trying to get in the post-season and see what happens. Not sure I'd be trading one of your best pitchers. Agree. At this point, they Sox actually have a legit playoff rotation with Eovaldi, Sale, Pivetta, and Wacha. In 2016 they had a great team that was crossing their fingers that Buchholz would be good enough to start the 3rd game. They started Paul Byrd in 2008 at one point. No, they need to keep their solid starting pitching. Yeah, they could hope Hill holds up, hope Whitlock matures as a starter (I know everybody thinks he's a shutdown reliever, but if he's struggling as a starter, I think he'd be struggling as a reliever as his stuff hadn't been as crisp and it's not like he's Cy Young running out of gas in the 5th inning). Or the one real hope would be that Bello comes up and dominates. But why hope for these scenarios? They actually have 3 solid starters, and there's a real good chance that Sale is at least a respectable #4 starter, if not more. I don't see why they'd need to trade from that strength. Do that and the baseball gods will create injuries so that you're starting Winckowski or Seabold against the Jays in a must win game when that's not the scenario you want. I'm sure the Sox can improve the team without having to give up huge prospects or rob from their strength. |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 23, 2022 1:48:47 GMT -5
There's an article in ESPN, MLB, by Buster Olney, that says the RS, will be on Aaron Judge, come FA. Olney is a clickbait NY hack.
Judge is a California kid and Cashman has already poisoned his own well. He's either signing in Calif., or maybe Cohen decides to throw crazy money at him. There's no way Chaim enters that bidding war.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 23, 2022 6:27:03 GMT -5
There's an article in ESPN, MLB, by Buster Olney, that says the RS, will be on Aaron Judge, come FA. Olney is a clickbait NY hack. Judge is a California kid and Cashman has already poisoned his own well. He's either signing in Calif., or maybe Cohen decides to throw crazy money at him. There's no way Chaim enters that bidding war.
1) again, nothing to do with this thread 2) not what the article says anyway |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 14:12:19 GMT -5
Ok so your on board bringing him back at 3 or 4 years 25 million a year because you didn’t answer anything else . I think he'll deservedly get more than that. He's much better than you seem to think. They have to spend money on someone. You are paying for future performance NOT past performance. He is only worth the money if he remains healthy, and I do not think he will…(Sale…almost $70,000,000 in 2 1/2 year for a grand total of 42 innings or almost $1,700,000 per inning so far in the contract). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 14:32:10 GMT -5
The thread is called "Eovaldi or Wacha". Let's stay on topic, folks. The list of starters for 2023 reads: Sale Paxton Pivetta Whitlock Houck in Cora’s own words Bello Seabold Winckowski There is NO WAY BOSTON SPENDS BIG $ on Eovaldi (barring a fourth straight year of injuries for Sale, if known before the end of the year, and if Paxton is healthy enough to pitch). Bloom would sign someone else for a year before Eovaldi to big money, multi-year…but if Eovaldi wants to stay bad enough maybe he takes a discount… |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 23, 2022 14:42:01 GMT -5
The thread is called "Eovaldi or Wacha". Let's stay on topic, folks. The list of starters for 2023 reads: Sale Paxton Pivetta Whitlock Houck in Cora’s own words Bello Seabold Winckowski There is NO WAY BOSTON SPENDS BIG $ on Eovaldi (barring a fourth straight year of injuries for Sale, if known before the end of the year, and if Paxton is healthy enough to pitch). Bloom would sign someone else for a year before Eovaldi to big money, multi-year…but if Eovaldi wants to stay bad enough maybe he takes a discount… I think Bloom won't make the highest offer to Eovaldi but he'll certainly be in on him with a decent chance of re-signing him if he's close enough. Look at the list you provided. Sale and Paxton spend more time on the injured list than pitching. The rest with the exception of Pivetta are rookies or inexperienced starters. They're going to need more stability in the rotation. Yes, I can see Bello being part of the rotation. Maybe Houck and Whitlock start or maybe one of them is needed for the pen. Winckowski is still more likely a reliever I think. Seabold is fringy at this point. I don't see how they don't add back somebody like Eovaldi, but then again Bloom does do things that I wouldn't expect at times, so who knows. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 23, 2022 14:43:08 GMT -5
The thread is called "Eovaldi or Wacha". Let's stay on topic, folks. The list of starters for 2023 reads: Sale Paxton Pivetta Whitlock Houck in Cora’s own words Bello Seabold Winckowski There is NO WAY BOSTON SPENDS BIG $ on Eovaldi (barring a fourth straight year of injuries for Sale, if known before the end of the year, and if Paxton is healthy enough to pitch). Bloom would sign someone else for a year before Eovaldi to big money, multi-year…but if Eovaldi wants to stay bad enough maybe he takes a discount… I wouldn't go so far as to say there's no way they spend big on eovaldi, I think the years would be the sticking point not the AAV. However I mostly agree with your thoughts. I believe this will be the final year Eovaldi is a Red Sox. |
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Post by redsoxpride34 on Jun 23, 2022 15:59:21 GMT -5
I'd say likely neither of them. With all the young pitch ready to go there is no need to spend money on anything but a top of the rotation starter. You have Sale and Pivetta under contract plus Winckowski, Seabold, Bello and Walter. A bit further down the pike Groome and Murphy. Take the money that Eovaldi+Wacha would cost and take a run at Joe Musgrove in free agency. Edwin Diaz and Taylor Rogers should be targets as well.
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