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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 17, 2022 19:52:54 GMT -5
Assuming the Sox resign one of there pitchers who would you rather see back and for what dollars. I woulda always said Evo and I think I’m still leaning that way, but it’s getting very close IMO. 4Y /72M$??
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Post by dangermike on Jun 17, 2022 21:07:00 GMT -5
i’m not sure i wanna do 4yrs for either … but i’d do 1-2 for either for a reasonable aav if they maintain health thru the end of the year
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 17, 2022 21:28:13 GMT -5
I thought this was going to ask who should be the Game 1 starter in the playoffs, in which case the answer is Wacha. I'm putting Eovaldi back in the rover role that he played so well in 2018 (although he should start vs. the MFYs, if they play each other before someone else knocks them out).
I'll wait until after the parade to think about the off-season...
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Post by cdj on Jun 17, 2022 23:20:13 GMT -5
I would do 2/20 for Wacha and nothing more than that
Eovaldi can get 3/60
Wouldn’t go 4 years for either, especially not Wacha. And I was pro-Wacha upon signing and remain pro-Wacha now
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Post by redsox43 on Jun 18, 2022 22:55:02 GMT -5
I would do 2/20 for Wacha and nothing more than that Eovaldi can get 3/60 Wouldn’t go 4 years for either, especially not Wacha. And I was pro-Wacha upon signing and remain pro-Wacha now Both probably go for more than what you're (Bloom) is comfortable with. I can see Bloom gambling again and sign Clevinger to a one year deal to get him to rebound. He's been staying short term for the rotation so far. Joe Musgrove is the prize if you want something better than all of the above. Solid number three starter at worst in a playoff rotation. A lot of certainty in a starter with him. Thread should be renamed 2023 rotation since Eovaldi and Wacha aren't the only options.
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Post by mobaz on Jun 19, 2022 9:54:00 GMT -5
Might want to wait and see to see how Sale and Paxton come back as well as some of the farmhands progressions. Our replacements might be on hand now.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 19, 2022 13:13:34 GMT -5
Here is the deal with Evoladi . I love his heart but the problem is he is just a 5 inning pitcher not because he is bad but he doesn’t have that out pitch. He expends too many pitches. I give him a QO. this isn’t easy but he has one more big deal left . So to me he is maxed out he is not going to get better this is his best right now.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2022 13:30:55 GMT -5
Here is the deal with Evoladi . I love his heart but the problem is he is just a 5 inning pitcher not because he is bad but he doesn’t have that out pitch. He expends too many pitches. I give him a QO. this isn’t easy but he has one more big deal left . So to me he is maxed out he is not going to get better this is his best right now. Eovaldi finished 4th for Cy Young last season. That's a little better than what you're describing.
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Jun 19, 2022 13:36:33 GMT -5
Lots of moving parts as this season goes on. Seller or buyer as the trade deadline approaches? Boston has 2023 pitching options, whether those coming back from injury/surgery or in the minors. Decisions on extending current stars. It'll be interesting, for sure. They're close in age - Evoladi is a year or so older - but Evoladi's salary is a good bit higher. If keeping under any sort of tax penalty threshold is a factor, then go with the lower $$$ guy, since it'll also help with extending Devers and possibly others.
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Post by bosox904 on Jun 19, 2022 13:46:31 GMT -5
Here is the deal with Evoladi . I love his heart but the problem is he is just a 5 inning pitcher not because he is bad but he doesn’t have that out pitch. He expends too many pitches. I give him a QO. this isn’t easy but he has one more big deal left . So to me he is maxed out he is not going to get better this is his best right now. Since 2020 he's made 53 starts, 29 he went less than 6 innings and 24 he went 6 or more. This year he's 6 starts with 6 or more innings and 6 under 6 injings.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 19, 2022 20:53:46 GMT -5
One would think that after being with the team since 2018 fans would learn how to spell his name.
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Post by notstarboard on Jun 19, 2022 21:21:02 GMT -5
Here is the deal with Evoladi . I love his heart but the problem is he is just a 5 inning pitcher not because he is bad but he doesn’t have that out pitch. He expends too many pitches. I give him a QO. this isn’t easy but he has one more big deal left . So to me he is maxed out he is not going to get better this is his best right now. Eovaldi finished 4th for Cy Young last season. That's a little better than what you're describing. Last year he was great. Meanwhile this year he's already given up more homers than he did last year.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 19, 2022 21:38:33 GMT -5
Eovaldi finished 4th for Cy Young last season. That's a little better than what you're describing. Last year he was great. Meanwhile this year he's already given up more homers than he did last year. And?? He has 10w and 72 Ks in 68 IP. He still throws upwards of 100mph. Has a 1.10 whip this year. If hadn’t given up the HRs he would probably be front runner for CY. Now that said Evo is what he is. I don’t think we can really call him a #1 starter and yet on the flip side he is dam solid. His biggest problem has always been health, and the issue with that is it usually doesn't go away with age. If he comes back in the next couple Weeks and finishes the season as well as he started it there will be a long list of suitors for him. I dout 3 years or 15M per will either do it.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 19, 2022 21:44:08 GMT -5
Here is the deal with Evoladi . I love his heart but the problem is he is just a 5 inning pitcher not because he is bad but he doesn’t have that out pitch. He expends too many pitches. I give him a QO. this isn’t easy but he has one more big deal left . So to me he is maxed out he is not going to get better this is his best right now. Since 2020 he's made 53 starts, 29 he went less than 6 innings and 24 he went 6 or more. This year he's 6 starts with 6 or more innings and 6 under 6 injings. 3 of the starts were the first 3 of the year. Remember we had 1/2 a spring training. Can’t really count those. And the last start he was pitching injuried. That leaves the meltdown vs Houston ( also where a lot of the HRs came from ) and 1 5 IP start. Pretty dam solid.
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Post by redsox43 on Jun 20, 2022 0:10:08 GMT -5
Last year he was great. Meanwhile this year he's already given up more homers than he did last year. And?? He has 10w and 72 Ks in 68 IP. He still throws upwards of 100mph. Has a 1.10 whip this year. If hadn’t given up the HRs he would probably be front runner for CY. Now that said Evo is what he is. I don’t think we can really call him a #1 starter and yet on the flip side he is dam solid. His biggest problem has always been health, and the issue with that is it usually doesn't go away with age. If he comes back in the next couple Weeks and finishes the season as well as he started it there will be a long list of suitors for him. I dout 3 years or 15M per will either do it. Again, the problem is the thread is pinning this on a Eovaldi versus Wacha decision. Bloom isn't that dumb. It's Eovaldi versus Wacha versus- Jamison Taillon Mike Clevinger Ross Stripling Noah Syndergaard Joe Musgrove Corey Kluber Chad Kuhl Chris Bassit Tyler Anderson Zach Davies Sean Manaea Michael Pineda Trevor Williams Some are more realistic than others, but that's a a really long list. Nevermind the trade options beyond that. That list could also grow with non-tenders/free agents I'm not even naming.
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Post by notstarboard on Jun 20, 2022 9:20:06 GMT -5
Last year he was great. Meanwhile this year he's already given up more homers than he did last year. And?? He has 10w and 72 Ks in 68 IP. He still throws upwards of 100mph. Has a 1.10 whip this year. If hadn’t given up the HRs he would probably be front runner for CY. Now that said Evo is what he is. I don’t think we can really call him a #1 starter and yet on the flip side he is dam solid. His biggest problem has always been health, and the issue with that is it usually doesn't go away with age. If he comes back in the next couple Weeks and finishes the season as well as he started it there will be a long list of suitors for him. I dout 3 years or 15M per will either do it. He hasn't been good so far this year. xERA is 4.30 (34th percentile), 6th percentile in exit velocity, and 9th percentile in barrels. High velocity, albeit 96.5 on his fastball, not 100+, but low spin so it plays down. His biggest strength is his tiny walk rate, but I think that's practically a problem given the contact he's giving up. He needs to throw more balls and make people chase, not pump in flat strikes that guys can easily barrel up. The homer rate is not at all a fluke. His fastball, slider, and cutter are all getting murdered this year. Once you add in his age and injury history and I want nothing to do with him long term, especially if Sale and Paxton look like themselves. Someone else can give him 3/60 to allow 30 HR a year if he manages to stay on the field that long.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 20, 2022 9:35:17 GMT -5
So he doesn’t max out his pitch limit by the 5th inning. Nobody has denied this.
So everyone here who loves Evoladi you are prepared to give him 4 years?
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 20, 2022 9:38:39 GMT -5
Here is the deal with Evoladi . I love his heart but the problem is he is just a 5 inning pitcher not because he is bad but he doesn’t have that out pitch. He expends too many pitches. I give him a QO. this isn’t easy but he has one more big deal left . So to me he is maxed out he is not going to get better this is his best right now. Eovaldi finished 4th for Cy Young last season. That's a little better than what you're describing. Ok so your on board bringing him back at 3 or 4 years 25 million a year because you didn’t answer anything else .
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2022 10:09:14 GMT -5
Eovaldi finished 4th for Cy Young last season. That's a little better than what you're describing. Ok so your on board bringing him back at 3 or 4 years 25 million a year because you didn’t answer anything else . I think he'll deservedly get more than that. He's much better than you seem to think. They have to spend money on someone.
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Post by nuttyredsox on Jun 20, 2022 10:56:20 GMT -5
As I mentioned before, how can we afford to spend... Eovaldi..... at least $25 Million X ..........$30 Million Raffy.......at least $25/$ 30 Million Half of the payroll What about the rest
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 20, 2022 15:05:40 GMT -5
Ok so your on board bringing him back at 3 or 4 years 25 million a year because you didn’t answer anything else . I think he'll deservedly get more than that. He's much better than you seem to think. They have to spend money on someone. Agree to disagree .
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Post by redsox43 on Jun 21, 2022 19:47:52 GMT -5
After thinking over the rotation next year. Assuming Paxton's rehab goes well, you have-
Sale Paxton Whitlock Bello Pivetta
With- Winkowski Walter
Waiting with Jay Groome probably ready by mid 2023.
Do the Sox actually need either one of Wacha or Eovaldi? Never have enough pitching, but that's a lot of starting pitching right there.
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Post by mobaz on Jun 21, 2022 21:09:53 GMT -5
After thinking over the rotation next year. Assuming Paxton's rehab goes well, you have- Sale Paxton Whitlock Bello Pivetta With- Winkowski Walter Waiting with Jay Groome probably ready by mid 2023. Do the Sox actually need either one of Wacha or Eovaldi? Never have enough pitching, but that's a lot of starting pitching right there. Houck and Mata and Seabold as options too. Plus option for a Perez/Wacha/Hill type veteran swingman
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Post by redsox43 on Jun 21, 2022 21:23:45 GMT -5
After thinking over the rotation next year. Assuming Paxton's rehab goes well, you have- Sale Paxton Whitlock Bello Pivetta With- Winkowski Walter Waiting with Jay Groome probably ready by mid 2023. Do the Sox actually need either one of Wacha or Eovaldi? Never have enough pitching, but that's a lot of starting pitching right there. Houck and Mata and Seabold as options too. Plus option for a Perez/Wacha/Hill type veteran swingman Ohh yeah, great call. Seabold is kind of always the forgotten man with his injuries. Mata might be one of the most talented arms. I'm clumsy for forgetting. Leaving out what could be one of the top 5 arms in the organization. Yikes.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 21, 2022 22:57:22 GMT -5
Houck and Mata and Seabold as options too. Plus option for a Perez/Wacha/Hill type veteran swingman Ohh yeah, great call. Seabold is kind of always the forgotten man with his injuries. Mata might be one of the most talented arms. I'm clumsy for forgetting. Leaving out what could be one of the top 5 arms in the organization. Yikes. Few things of note 1- better put Pivetta near the top of That list. 2- unlikely all those guys are healthy 3- more than likely at least 1 veteran brought in/ back. Wacha type. 4- more than likely Evo gets bigger money than FO will want to spend 4/90 range
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