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Post by jbsox on Jun 23, 2022 16:30:50 GMT -5
Also add Mata to the mix which the Sox are excited about his upside as a starter. He’s already 23, and could possibly make his debut next year if he continues on his fast track after TJ surgery.
Saying that can never have enough starting pitch depth and would like at least 1 of the 2 back with us next season. Though I thought the same with Erod, and look what happened there.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jun 23, 2022 16:45:33 GMT -5
I know they can't and shouldn't do this... but I'm at least interested in what they could get for Wacha right now. Feels like they have the depth to absorb it if that's something they wanted to do Really? Were in playoff contention. Trying to get in the post-season and see what happens. Not sure I'd be trading one of your best pitchers. Not saying I would do it. Just that I’d be interested. If some team offered you their Miguel Bleis for two months of Michael Wacha you wouldn’t raise an eyebrow?
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Post by redsox43 on Jun 23, 2022 19:46:37 GMT -5
Really? Were in playoff contention. Trying to get in the post-season and see what happens. Not sure I'd be trading one of your best pitchers. Not saying I would do it. Just that I’d be interested. If some team offered you their Miguel Bleis for two months of Michael Wacha you wouldn’t raise an eyebrow? It's not a bad thought, would clear room for one of Winkowski and/or Bello to stick in the rotation for the rest of the year and buys a prospect.
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Post by redsox43 on Jun 23, 2022 19:49:49 GMT -5
Not saying I would do it. Just that I’d be interested. If some team offered you their Miguel Bleis for two months of Michael Wacha you wouldn’t raise an eyebrow? It's not a bad thought, would clear room for one of Winkowski and/or Bello to stick in the rotation for the rest of the year and buys a prospect. It would also put the Sox right under the luxury tax threshold. So it could be a double whammy to help the Sox out payroll and prospect wise.
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Post by cdj on Jun 23, 2022 20:07:38 GMT -5
You always have enough starting pitching depth Until you don’t
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Post by redsox43 on Jun 23, 2022 20:08:48 GMT -5
Add Chris Sale. Trade Wacha when Sale is back. Get a prospect. Get under the luxury tax threshold.
Bloom would look like a genius if he pulled that off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 20:44:21 GMT -5
There's an article in ESPN, MLB, by Buster Olney, that says the RS, will be on Aaron Judge, come FA. Olney is a clickbait NY hack.
Judge is a California kid and Cashman has already poisoned his own well. He's either signing in Calif., or maybe Cohen decides to throw crazy money at him. There's no way Chaim enters that bidding war.
Bloom would pay Devers $300,000,000 before injury prone Judge. As a Red Sox fan I hope Judge signs with the Mets (so he will neither be helping NYY or any other AL team)!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 20:53:50 GMT -5
The list of starters for 2023 reads: Sale Paxton Pivetta Whitlock Houck in Cora’s own words Bello Seabold Winckowski There is NO WAY BOSTON SPENDS BIG $ on Eovaldi (barring a fourth straight year of injuries for Sale, if known before the end of the year, and if Paxton is healthy enough to pitch). Bloom would sign someone else for a year before Eovaldi to big money, multi-year…but if Eovaldi wants to stay bad enough maybe he takes a discount… I wouldn't go so far as to say there's no way they spend big on eovaldi, I think the years would be the sticking point not the AAV. However I mostly agree with your thoughts. I believe this will be the final year Eovaldi is a Red Sox. We fans have had three years to watch Bloom’s body of work. Eovaldi has been very good during his time in Boston, but his replacement will be 1 or 2 years with an option (keeps them pitching for their next contract), and not too expensive for another to want at the trading deadline (Bloom in a nutshell). I never said the Red Sox did not want Eovaldi, but that they would not spend the money for him without a discount in years (more likely than AAV).
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Post by redsox43 on Jun 23, 2022 23:20:58 GMT -5
Add Chris Sale. Trade Wacha when Sale is back. Get a prospect. Get under the luxury tax threshold. Bloom would look like a genius if he pulled that off. I bring up the luxury tax threshold because it was reported a bunch of places the Sox are just over by a hair. The Sox have to worry about signing Xander and Devers long-term. If they think they have a shot at it, then they will most likely be over the CBT the next three years with Sale, Xander, and Devers soaking up a huge chunk of payroll. With that factoring in, keeping a guy like Wacha for a wild card race doesn't seem as important as the long-term future of this club. You know Bloom is weighing all these factors in, he wouldn't be doing his job unless he was looking at everything from a wide open lense.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 24, 2022 10:52:53 GMT -5
Zero chance they trade Wacha. If they did, they'd be looking to trade for someone like Wacha.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 24, 2022 11:52:07 GMT -5
Wacha doesn’t strike out lots of people and doesn’t induce enough groundballs: an explosive combination. I can totally see him posting a 5+ ERA the rest of the season. If Bloom could flip him for a flame throwing young reliever with years of control, he should especially with Sale and Paxton approaching rehab starts and Bello dominating AAA hitters.
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Post by redsox43 on Jun 24, 2022 15:09:35 GMT -5
Wacha doesn’t strike out lots of people and doesn’t induce enough groundballs: an explosive combination. I can totally see him posting a 5+ ERA the rest of the season. Yes this too.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jun 24, 2022 16:02:16 GMT -5
You always have enough starting pitching depth Until you don’t Agreed. That’s why you can’t do it
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 24, 2022 16:05:32 GMT -5
Wacha has a 2.34 ERA but a 4.44 xERA on Baseball Savant. 14th-largest difference in that direction among those with at least 1.25 PA against per team game and largest for a pitcher with at least 150 BIP against. It's similar for the rest of the expected stats.
No question you let him walk....a. They're also not going to get much for him - it's not like teams aren't going to know that and give up a bunch to get him.
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Post by nuttyredsox on Jun 24, 2022 17:32:53 GMT -5
Against all odds there's also the possibility that they trade Sale.
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Post by redsox43 on Jun 24, 2022 18:14:00 GMT -5
Against all odds there's also the possibility that they trade Sale. He's got a no trade clause and he told everyone during the preseason that he isn't leaving Boston.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 24, 2022 22:30:24 GMT -5
Against all odds there's also the possibility that they trade Sale. He's got a job trade clause and he told everyone during the preseason that he isn't leaving Boston. Trade him to the Jays...
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Post by bosoxnation on Jun 24, 2022 23:05:03 GMT -5
With Sale being lights out for a few innings this part in his career he’s the perfect candidate to be our closer.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jun 25, 2022 0:06:46 GMT -5
EOVALDI or Wacha?
The answer is clear.
Pivetta
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Post by nuttyredsox on Jun 25, 2022 6:59:53 GMT -5
Not forgetting that the key in this trade was the prospect,Connor Seabold.
Pivetta was a throu in in the deal.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 25, 2022 7:14:44 GMT -5
Not forgetting that the key in this trade was the prospect,Connor Seabold. Pivetta was a throu in in the deal. I wouldn't label Pivetta a throw in for the deal. Bloom and his TB cohorts were trying to pry Pivetta away from the Phillies. No, Bloom wanted him for Boston. Seabold was a bonus, basically. This isn't like Dan Duquette acquiring Derek Lowe in the Tek/Lowe deal with Slocumb and not even knowing which arm Lowe threw with (he thought Lowe was a lefty). Bloom knew exactly who he wanted. He just fleeced the Phillies big-time. He fleeced a GM who was desperate to save his job and failed, which is why Dombrowski is now there.
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Post by nuttyredsox on Jun 25, 2022 7:47:47 GMT -5
I don't disagree at all with what you saying, the Phillies just give up on him and "Hawk Bloom" was waiting.
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Post by nuttyredsox on Jun 25, 2022 7:57:07 GMT -5
Pivetta, may turn into one of our best pitchers, in the next 2 years.
Who knows,Pivetta, Bello, Mata will be our top 3 in a couple years, from now.
And for the 1st time in ages we have a boat load of quality prospects, coming up the pipe line, at every level.
Great times to be excited and a RS fan.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 25, 2022 8:08:21 GMT -5
Pivetta, may turn into one of our best pitchers, in the next 2 years. Who knows,Pivetta, Bello, Mata will be our top 3 in a couple years, from now. And for the 1st time in ages we have a boat load of quality prospects, coming up the pipe line, at every level. Great times to be excited and a RS fan. I'm not convinced that Mata winds up a starter. I am more convinced that Brandon Walter finds himself on that list of future starters. Yeah, maybe Seabold and/or Groome as a back end starter. Still think Winckowski winds up in the pen, but yes, it's nice to have pitching options, which is the bottom line, especially from an organization that went more than a decade without producing an established starter (although I will happily acknowledge Felix Doubront's contributions to the 2013 squad). I'll also add that I believe that Whitlock winds up a reliable starter in the next couple of years and I doubt that Houck's long-term home is in the closer's role, but I'm just not sure it's in the rotation either although I do think he gets another crack at it at some point.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 25, 2022 11:44:50 GMT -5
Pivetta was not a throw-in in free slightest. Post-hype, sure. But it was here, take our bullpen chaff for your reclamation project and teens-level pitching prospect.
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