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Post by elguapo on Apr 14, 2013 16:58:37 GMT -5
Meanwhile, can we all admit that Jackie Bradley, Jr wasn't close to being ready? Are we also going to admit that Daniel Nava has blossomed into a middle-of-the-order power hitter? That Stephen Drew is washed up and signing him was a terrible mistake? Just wondering...
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 14, 2013 19:35:29 GMT -5
I'm just watching this on DVR now (which I usually don't do, but I wanted to see Clay's outing). My god, the Don and Jerry show is out of control. It's downright narcissistic.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 14, 2013 19:43:29 GMT -5
Meanwhile, can we all admit that Jackie Bradley, Jr wasn't close to being ready? Are we also going to admit that Daniel Nava has blossomed into a middle-of-the-order power hitter? That Stephen Drew is washed up and signing him was a terrible mistake? Just wondering... Small sample size. But, you have to like Drew's patience at the plate. And, he's squared the ball up a lot already despite missing 3 weeks of spring training. Easy to see why he has gotten a lot of XBH's in his career. Hope Papi can stay healthy. Where would you bat Papi? 3rd??
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Post by bluechip on Apr 14, 2013 20:27:57 GMT -5
Are we also going to admit that Daniel Nava has blossomed into a middle-of-the-order power hitter? That Stephen Drew is washed up and signing him was a terrible mistake? Just wondering... Small sample size. I think that was his point, regarding Bradley.
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Post by jmei on Apr 14, 2013 20:58:14 GMT -5
I think as long as Victorino continues to produce, you post-Ortiz order is:
Ellsbury Victorino Pedroia Ortiz Napoli Middlebrooks Nava/Gomes Saltalamacchia Drew
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Post by bluechip on Apr 14, 2013 21:58:06 GMT -5
I think as long as Victorino continues to produce, you post-Ortiz order is: Ellsbury Victorino Pedroia Ortiz Napoli Middlebrooks Nava/Gomes Saltalamacchia Drew Personally, I'd rather see: Ellsbury Pedroia Napoli Ortiz Victorino Nava/Gomes Middlebrooks Saltalamacchia Drew I like my best hitters 2nd and fourth. I believe saber metric research indicates that fifth is actually slightly more important than third.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 15, 2013 6:36:33 GMT -5
I think that was his point, regarding Bradley. My small sample size comment was about Drew with Sox so far, not JBJ.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 15, 2013 8:34:27 GMT -5
Meanwhile, can we all admit that Jackie Bradley, Jr wasn't close to being ready? Are we also going to admit that Daniel Nava has blossomed into a middle-of-the-order power hitter? That Stephen Drew is washed up and signing him was a terrible mistake? Just wondering... Totally different situation. It's not just the production, it's how lost he looks at the plate, how obvious the holes in his swing are, etc, etc. The guy's just not ready for the major leagues, no shame in that. He probably could struggle through all year and learn on the job (he seems like he's the type of guy who can do that), but right now, he's an easy out. But, really, my main point was the second part of what I said: we all made MUCH too big a deal of that decision. If it was the wrong decision, it was only barely the wrong decision and really didn't affect much of anything. Bradley, Jr's going back to AAA, and he'll get his 20 days. When he goes down, tho, who backs up center and right-field?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 15, 2013 9:00:46 GMT -5
When he goes down, tho, who backs up center and right-field? Victorino backs up CF, Nava backs up RF.
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Post by charliezink16 on Apr 15, 2013 9:17:46 GMT -5
When he goes down, tho, who backs up center and right-field? Victorino backs up CF, Nava backs up RF. I understand that people like Mike Carp for his potential, and for good reason, but it would be nice to have Ryan Sweeney right about now. The thought of Nava, with his 22 career inning in RF, is kind of scary. Oh well, hopefully Victorino stays fully healthy.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 15, 2013 10:02:55 GMT -5
Sweeney blows, no offense to him, but its more important to have pop off the bench than an emergency defensive outfielder. Any real injury voids can be filled with someone from AAA. You can't have a 25 man roster to cover every scenario. People tend to lose sight of this. "Oh, my god Napoli is our 3rd emergency catcher, his defense is terrible" and stuff like that...
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 15, 2013 10:08:11 GMT -5
Victorino seems to have a lot more left then was feared when signed. Still an overpay, but short term you can do those things when you're in good shape contract wise. Seems like the Red Sox seem this could be the best way to put their financial clout to best use. Overpay on short deals for guys they want versus huge money risks over the long term. Could be a good strategy.
When do the Sox see " cap relief" from Lackeys contract? Will us AAV stay the same until the option year and then he'll just count the minimum or does his AAV go down now that it was triggered? I'm guessing its the former... Anyone know?
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Post by bluechip on Apr 15, 2013 10:30:33 GMT -5
Dempster really racks up the K's...
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 15, 2013 11:12:23 GMT -5
Dempster really racks up the K's... Yes, when he keeps the ball down. That pitch up to Logoria disappeared in a hurry.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 15, 2013 11:22:08 GMT -5
This offense has been atrocious so far. 12th in runs heading into the day. 10th in OBP and 13th in Slugging percentage. This pitching has been amazing, but they need some run support. EDIT: I clicked submit and Salty crushes a homer.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 15, 2013 11:35:51 GMT -5
This offense has been atrocious so far. 12th in runs heading into the day. 10th in OBP and 13th in Slugging percentage. This pitching has been amazing, but they need some run support. EDIT: I clicked submit and Salty crushes a homer. Might want to consider that, with a few exceptions such as Longoria and Zobrist, the Rays are, at this point, all-pitch, no-hit. That's how they made their bones in the last few years. The rotation is stocked with home-grown talent that was acquired in the early to latter part of the previous decade. They're good and you're not going to beat them often by scores of 8-2 or 10-1.
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Post by jmei on Apr 15, 2013 11:50:38 GMT -5
Salty continues to frustrate with terrible pitch framing. He consistently moves his glove late rather than setting up early and loses his pitchers the benefit of the doubt when he stabs at a ball after it crossed the plate on the corner.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 15, 2013 11:51:31 GMT -5
This offense has been atrocious so far. 12th in runs heading into the day. 10th in OBP and 13th in Slugging percentage. This pitching has been amazing, but they need some run support. EDIT: I clicked submit and Salty crushes a homer. Might want to consider that, with a few exceptions such as Longoria and Zobrist, the Rays are, at this point, all-pitch, no-hit. That's how they made their bones in the last few years. The rotation is stocked with home-grown talent that was acquired in the early to latter part of the previous decade. They're good and you're not going to beat them often by scores of 8-2 or 10-1. They have run into some good pitching, but this is not the same Red Sox offense we have seen over the last ten years so. Even over the long run, there are at least a couple of players in this lineup who likely will have OBP below .300 for the season. There really is not a ton of power in this lineup either.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 15, 2013 11:53:11 GMT -5
Terrible call by the first base umpire.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 15, 2013 11:58:44 GMT -5
An another terrible call by the first base umpire.
Edited for spelling
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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 15, 2013 12:16:00 GMT -5
So, I cannot watch the game on tv - only gameday on cbssports. Can someone explain why Salty was stealing?
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 15, 2013 12:21:52 GMT -5
Bailey to close it?
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Post by jmei on Apr 15, 2013 12:22:44 GMT -5
They often send a baserunner on a full count, even with one out. I think the logic is that if the hitter strikes out swinging, it's tough for the catcher to get a good throw down to second. Farrell's aggressive baserunning approach does come with some downsides.
Uehara is the best signing this team has made in a long time.
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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 15, 2013 12:31:39 GMT -5
I missed the full count. Makes sense.
Gameday has Hanrahan warming up. Don't do it. Not in a one run game.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 15, 2013 12:36:14 GMT -5
Bailey was warming. The numbers must confuse the gamecast people.
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