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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 18, 2022 10:38:14 GMT -5
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 18, 2022 10:46:13 GMT -5
Maybe they'll be starting the college senior parade early?
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Post by zdog2418 on Jul 18, 2022 10:51:23 GMT -5
Good shot Red Sox take a high school lefty in round 3
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 18, 2022 10:51:35 GMT -5
Extremely off topic but what a wild spelling of that name
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 18, 2022 10:54:23 GMT -5
Wait, so did Mr. Fitz marry Ms. Gerald?
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 18, 2022 10:55:38 GMT -5
If Anthony is getting "first round money" then maybe Coffey is underslot?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 18, 2022 10:57:20 GMT -5
Obvious statement here, but what they do 3-10 will be a big clue to what they expect to do (in terms of going slot/over) with their first 3 picks.
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Post by jaffinator on Jul 18, 2022 11:00:16 GMT -5
I watc/follow a lot of college baseball, and thier summer leagues. I always love college pitching on day 2. Here are some college pitchers that I've sort of followed a bit in recent years that I think are of note: Jonathan Cannon- RHP - Georgia- He's seemingly been on the draft radars for years. Big right hander w good stuff, but there is something about high end Georgia SPs that just seem to regress stuff wise, or get hurt recently as pros that concerns me, not sure if its overwork or mechanical issues. Bryce Hubbart - LHP Florida St- Stuff wise is far superior to Messick, lead the Cape in Ks last year. Expect him to come off early in round 3 thb. Henry Williams RHP Duke- Have seen a lot of him at Duke. Underwent TJ in Dec, after he had a huge fall, where scouts really thought he popped. Really nice projectability here, and would have been one of the top ACC pitchers this past yr. Carson Palmquist LHP Miami- Had a nice yr, was a RP his first two years, and might be where he ultimately lands, but the delivery is easy. Had nice control, but not elite stuff wise IMO. Watched a bad BC team (but pretty decent O) torch him this year. Alex McFarlane RHP Miami- Doesn't get the accolades Palmquist gets, but I think he's a really good arm, up to 99, big RP risk, but hasn't started a ton, low IP totals bc he was mostly a RP, but fits the Red Sox college profile we've seen recently. Orion Kerkering- RHP USF- Also a former closer for the Bulls, he was awesome early in the yr, but faded and went from Fri Night SP to RP again. Up to 97, but his slider is one of the best in the draft IMO. Mason Barnett- RHP - Auburn - Another player that's been on the radar for a while, and there could be some prospect fatigue here, but I always thought he was a better P than MFY 4th rounder last yr Richard Fitts. A pro pitching program will help him immensely. Brandon Birdsell- RHP Texas Tech Had TJ in HS, xferred from A&M to Juco, to Tech, was an 11th rounder last yr coming off shoulder issues, but went back to Tech and had a good yr. Up to 98 w another good slider, and a chance to have a change up develop, if it doesn't could be a high end RP. Marcus Johnson- RHP- Duke- Uber athletic, big 6'6 frame, but the results have never matched the stuff. Could be another player that a pro program really unlocks his abilities. Jack Brannigan- RHP - Notre Dame- The Irish's starting 3B, is also their closer and up to 100, and you guessed it a good slider! Mack Anglin- RHP - Clemson - Spin rate maven w a CB and Slider, FB is up to 97, but he's been so inconsistent. Huge RP risk, but someone I think you can try starting. Zach Maxwell- RHP- Georgia Tech- Another likely RP, but up to 101, and is a large man. Another player where a pro pitching regime could unlock more and give him a chance to start. Chris Villaman- LHP NC State- Was a big part of their CWS run in '21 but struggled this yr. When he's right he's a really good pitchability strike throwing lefty, with more pure stuff than say a Pete Hansen at Texas. Cam Schlitter- RHP Northeastern- In the same class as former Sox draftee Sebastian Keane, and prob become a better pitcher than him. I really like the size and delivery. Kris Bow- RHP Nevada- Another RP, but had a huge Cape league last yr, and someone that will move quickly. Fits the Sox recent mold of Litwicki, Troye, and Webb. Jack Choate- LHP Assumption-Big lefty who was probably the best P in the Future's league last yr stuff wise. Hs had some teammates xfer to D1 programs, and I'm surprised he didn't do the same, but prob more of a target for day 3. He's up to 95 and is improving his command to the point where I think he's a lefty you can dream on. Thought of a couple more: Austin Peterson- RHP -UConn. Another 6'6 frame that had a huge year taking over as their ace after they lost their 2 best SPs, and 2 best recruits to the draft (Mazzicato and the kid from VT the Pirates took in the 4th that I am too lazy to google rn) 147Ks in 101IP to only 25 walks. Not an elite stuff guy, but the trajectory keeps climbing. Austin Krob LHP TCU- Was hurt most of the yr, and surprised many when he returned at the end of the season. Doesn't have big stuff One of the better changeups and a real chance to start. Compares favorably to the higher regarded (and almost certain 3rd round pick Trey Domborowski- who I love, i just think he's well enough known) Tyler Schweitzer - LHP Ball St- Small lefty, but throws strikes and has a sneaky FB. Started for the first time this spring and has the change up/sldier combo to dream on starting. Ball St has churned out some good pitching prospects lately, however I am still not over Kolbrin Vitek, are you? Adam Stone- RHP Harvard- Had TJ out of HS, and then the pandemic, so he didn't make his first collegiate appearance until this year, however, he was highly regarded enough to warrant a TEAM USA invite last summer. He didn't have a great year, and is currently pitching in the NECB: and not the Cape League, but is up to 98, and prob just needs more innings to develop. I think he's probably a lean to return to school, where Harvard has at least 5 pro pitchers on their current staff. Can't say I've seen a lot of him, but Luis Ramirez out of Long Beach has been injured on and off, but he had a nice Cape and he's both good at missing bats and inducing ground balls. Trey Dombroski has excellent command and control but is pretty much a pure pitchability type.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 18, 2022 11:00:23 GMT -5
Do we get a do-over on picks 41 and 79 if they don't sign? Might be tough to offer them both significantly over slot. My understanding is that we don't get a comp pick next year if pick 41 (Coffey) doesn't sign. Since that's already a comp pick, it wouldn't continue to roll over into subsequent years....you only get one year of comp for a player not signing. Pick 79 however is protected in that sense I believe. Based on that, I would have a really, really hard time believing they didn't come to an agreement with Coffey before drafting.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 18, 2022 11:06:33 GMT -5
Hmm, according to www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3555 41 and 79 are eligible for do-over picks, but next year would be our last shot with 41. The early report of Coffey getting overslot and now it appearing to not fit into the budget makes me wonder.
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Post by nomar on Jul 18, 2022 11:11:32 GMT -5
I think we have to wait to see what actually happens. We’re taking the word of one tweet on Coffey being overslot. Maybe he was supposed to be overslot if he got drafted day 2 like most expected, so the tweet’s context is off. You never know.
I personally think it’s more likely that they have the deals pre arranged, but we’ll see.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 18, 2022 11:13:42 GMT -5
Kumar Rocker has already signed for 5.2 in a 7.6 slot. Rangers haven't even made another pick yet. Brock Porter looks like the only guy to spend that money on in one shot based on rankings.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 18, 2022 11:19:15 GMT -5
Extremely off topic but what a wild spelling of that name Wait, so did Mr. Fitz marry Ms. Gerald? HOW MANY TIMES DO WE NEED TO ASK YOU TO STAY ON TOPIC (kidding)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 18, 2022 11:20:24 GMT -5
Do we get a do-over on picks 41 and 79 if they don't sign? Might be tough to offer them both significantly over slot. My understanding is that we don't get a comp pick next year if pick 41 (Coffey) doesn't sign. Since that's already a comp pick, it wouldn't continue to roll over into subsequent years....you only get one year of comp for a player not signing. Pick 79 however is protected in that sense I believe. Based on that, I would have a really, really hard time believing they didn't come to an agreement with Coffey before drafting. 41 can roll over once more - it's 2 years now. You wouldn't want to do that though because then next year you have zero leverage. 79 can roll over as well.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 18, 2022 11:20:56 GMT -5
Curious how this'll play out today. They have $5,700,400 in slot value for the first 3 picks. Then the $403,915 5% overage. So they can give the first 3 guys ~$2M each on average without having to do much underslot today. So they could do like, $2.5, $2.0, and $1.6 or something. More than that and they'll need to start taking money from today. I think one of today's picks gets signed in the $1.5 range, then we'll go college pitchers to round out the rest of our picks.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 18, 2022 11:23:32 GMT -5
Kumar Rocker has already signed for 5.2 in a 7.6 slot. Rangers haven't even made another pick yet. Brock Porter looks like the only guy to spend that money on in one shot based on rankings. This feels like a pre draft deal
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Post by nomar on Jul 18, 2022 11:27:20 GMT -5
If Porter doesn’t get taken today, an AL west team should take him to ensure Texas can’t sign him undrafted.
If the Pirates don’t take him at 83 it’s hard to see anyone else but Texas go for it.
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Post by mikey88 on Jul 18, 2022 11:33:47 GMT -5
I don't love the swing-and-miss of the Sox 2nd and 3rd picks, but I do like their strategy of taking bats high. This organization has had trouble producing homegrown major league pitching for 2 decades, but they are very very good at identifying young hitters. So play to your developmental strengths.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 18, 2022 11:46:31 GMT -5
Can't say I've seen a lot of him, but Luis Ramirez out of Long Beach has been injured on and off, but he had a nice Cape and he's both good at missing bats and inducing ground balls. Trey Dombroski has excellent command and control but is pretty much a pure pitchability type. Ramirez is a nice target for sure. BA and Pipeline both mention medicals, which I think both barely do beyond the obvious surgery prospects, so that tells me tells have been weary or there are some red flags they are talking about openly. Would be a nice player to gamble on in the latter rounds today. Not a typical LB SP we're used to, he can not only crack 90 mph, but mid 90s (yes, this is a psuedo Jared Weaver joke, but more specific to old friend Abe Alvarez)
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Post by jaffinator on Jul 18, 2022 11:51:55 GMT -5
Can't say I've seen a lot of him, but Luis Ramirez out of Long Beach has been injured on and off, but he had a nice Cape and he's both good at missing bats and inducing ground balls. Trey Dombroski has excellent command and control but is pretty much a pure pitchability type. Ramirez is a nice target for sure. BA and Pipeline both mention medicals, which I think both barely do beyond the obvious surgery prospects, so that tells me tells have been weary or there are some red flags they are talking about openly. Would be a nice player to gamble on in the latter rounds today. Not a typical LB SP we're used to, he can not only crack 90 mph, but mid 90s (yes, this is a psuedo Jared Weaver joke, but more specific to old friend Abe Alvarez) He was skipping tons of starts this spring. It was clear he was being handled with kid gloves. The stuff is real though, and he'd both save money in round three while being great value (if healthy).
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 18, 2022 12:05:57 GMT -5
As we enter day two, here are some players who have been (loosely) connected to the Red Sox via various mock drafts and outlets: Malcolm Moore, C, McClatchey HS (#66 BA) Brady Neal, C, IMG Academy (#83 BA) Brooks Brannon, C, Randleman High School (#155 BA) Tommy Specht, OF, Wahlert HS (IA) #229 BA (Kentucky Commit) Stanley Tucker, SS, New Mexico JC (Texas A&M Commit) (#329 BA) - Had Pre-Draft workout with Red Sox Henry Godbout, SS, Baylor High School (#354 BA) Eric Snow, SS, Mary Person's HS (#375 BA) - Top 200 in most other sites I say go for Neal so they would have Jeter and Brady
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Post by Guidas on Jul 18, 2022 12:08:39 GMT -5
What time does the actual picking start? The draft is in L.A., right? Or at least being orchestrated from there, yes? 2pm start time today Thanks!
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Post by Guidas on Jul 18, 2022 12:10:29 GMT -5
I watc/follow a lot of college baseball, and thier summer leagues. I always love college pitching on day 2. Here are some college pitchers that I've sort of followed a bit in recent years that I think are of note: Jonathan Cannon- RHP - Georgia- He's seemingly been on the draft radars for years. Big right hander w good stuff, but there is something about high end Georgia SPs that just seem to regress stuff wise, or get hurt recently as pros that concerns me, not sure if its overwork or mechanical issues. Bryce Hubbart - LHP Florida St- Stuff wise is far superior to Messick, lead the Cape in Ks last year. Expect him to come off early in round 3 thb. Henry Williams RHP Duke- Have seen a lot of him at Duke. Underwent TJ in Dec, after he had a huge fall, where scouts really thought he popped. Really nice projectability here, and would have been one of the top ACC pitchers this past yr. Carson Palmquist LHP Miami- Had a nice yr, was a RP his first two years, and might be where he ultimately lands, but the delivery is easy. Had nice control, but not elite stuff wise IMO. Watched a bad BC team (but pretty decent O) torch him this year. Alex McFarlane RHP Miami- Doesn't get the accolades Palmquist gets, but I think he's a really good arm, up to 99, big RP risk, but hasn't started a ton, low IP totals bc he was mostly a RP, but fits the Red Sox college profile we've seen recently. Orion Kerkering- RHP USF- Also a former closer for the Bulls, he was awesome early in the yr, but faded and went from Fri Night SP to RP again. Up to 97, but his slider is one of the best in the draft IMO. Mason Barnett- RHP - Auburn - Another player that's been on the radar for a while, and there could be some prospect fatigue here, but I always thought he was a better P than MFY 4th rounder last yr Richard Fitts. A pro pitching program will help him immensely. Brandon Birdsell- RHP Texas Tech Had TJ in HS, xferred from A&M to Juco, to Tech, was an 11th rounder last yr coming off shoulder issues, but went back to Tech and had a good yr. Up to 98 w another good slider, and a chance to have a change up develop, if it doesn't could be a high end RP. Marcus Johnson- RHP- Duke- Uber athletic, big 6'6 frame, but the results have never matched the stuff. Could be another player that a pro program really unlocks his abilities. Jack Brannigan- RHP - Notre Dame- The Irish's starting 3B, is also their closer and up to 100, and you guessed it a good slider! Mack Anglin- RHP - Clemson - Spin rate maven w a CB and Slider, FB is up to 97, but he's been so inconsistent. Huge RP risk, but someone I think you can try starting. Zach Maxwell- RHP- Georgia Tech- Another likely RP, but up to 101, and is a large man. Another player where a pro pitching regime could unlock more and give him a chance to start. Chris Villaman- LHP NC State- Was a big part of their CWS run in '21 but struggled this yr. When he's right he's a really good pitchability strike throwing lefty, with more pure stuff than say a Pete Hansen at Texas. Cam Schlitter- RHP Northeastern- In the same class as former Sox draftee Sebastian Keane, and prob become a better pitcher than him. I really like the size and delivery. Kris Bow- RHP Nevada- Another RP, but had a huge Cape league last yr, and someone that will move quickly. Fits the Sox recent mold of Litwicki, Troye, and Webb. Jack Choate- LHP Assumption-Big lefty who was probably the best P in the Future's league last yr stuff wise. Hs had some teammates xfer to D1 programs, and I'm surprised he didn't do the same, but prob more of a target for day 3. He's up to 95 and is improving his command to the point where I think he's a lefty you can dream on. Thought of a couple more: Austin Peterson- RHP -UConn. Another 6'6 frame that had a huge year taking over as their ace after they lost their 2 best SPs, and 2 best recruits to the draft (Mazzicato and the kid from VT the Pirates took in the 4th that I am too lazy to google rn) 147Ks in 101IP to only 25 walks. Not an elite stuff guy, but the trajectory keeps climbing. Austin Krob LHP TCU- Was hurt most of the yr, and surprised many when he returned at the end of the season. Doesn't have big stuff One of the better changeups and a real chance to start. Compares favorably to the higher regarded (and almost certain 3rd round pick Trey Domborowski- who I love, i just think he's well enough known) Tyler Schweitzer - LHP Ball St- Small lefty, but throws strikes and has a sneaky FB. Started for the first time this spring and has the change up/sldier combo to dream on starting. Ball St has churned out some good pitching prospects lately, however I am still not over Kolbrin Vitek, are you? Adam Stone- RHP Harvard- Had TJ out of HS, and then the pandemic, so he didn't make his first collegiate appearance until this year, however, he was highly regarded enough to warrant a TEAM USA invite last summer. He didn't have a great year, and is currently pitching in the NECB: and not the Cape League, but is up to 98, and prob just needs more innings to develop. I think he's probably a lean to return to school, where Harvard has at least 5 pro pitchers on their current staff. Thanks for this!
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Post by ramireja on Jul 18, 2022 12:11:47 GMT -5
Hmm, according to www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3555 41 and 79 are eligible for do-over picks, but next year would be our last shot with 41. The early report of Coffey getting overslot and now it appearing to not fit into the budget makes me wonder. Gotcha...sorry for the bad info. Hadn't realized it can roll over an additional year.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 18, 2022 12:14:11 GMT -5
Brandon Sproat if he is available. The Red Sox are good for at least a gator per draft.
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