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Post by Guidas on Jul 22, 2022 19:27:49 GMT -5
So we can’t say ‘Fire Bloom’ til next year, ‘cause that’s when The Plan happens, right? Seems like a good night to check. Literally yes. This is basically still Dombrowski's team that Bloom has duct taped together. Next year will be the first time there is the payroll flexibility for him to really make it his own. Good to know.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 22, 2022 19:28:37 GMT -5
Cora... boy I don't know. I thought when they had JBJ in CF the other day it was a tacit admission that Kiké wasn't coming back so they were going to do the sensible thing and put their gold-glove outfielder back in CF and hide their turd-glove outfielder in a corner spot.
But apparently nope! We're just rolling with a terrible fielding centerfielder while stashing the gold glover in right and another excellent fielder at DH. Totally inexplicable.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 22, 2022 19:28:51 GMT -5
So we can’t say ‘Fire Bloom’ til next year, ‘cause that’s when The Plan happens, right? Seems like a good night to check. I would say there is a better chance I replace Bloom this year, than there is Bloom gets fired this year. Zero chance. Now if 23 goes off the rails that is another story. Henry knows this is a very flawed roster being held together with bargain bin parts.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 22, 2022 19:29:40 GMT -5
As of 8:24pm EDT, his ERA is 3.94. The lowest ERA he's had in a season since 2014 is 3.72. Career ERA of 4.14 coming into today.
Does that count the runs that scored on the “grand slam”? Lol, yes, I had to update the comment while I was writing it. It was 3.82 before the gentleman's grannie.
Oops sorry, it didn't count the grannie! It was 3.94 before; now it's 4.30. It's gone up almost a full run in this game.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 22, 2022 19:29:41 GMT -5
This team is absolutely awful. They might even be the worst team in the division right now. Well I would be hard pressed to say it was Baltimore.
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Post by foreverred9 on Jul 22, 2022 19:29:57 GMT -5
Pretty sure the statue of limitations is up for blaming DD
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Post by briam on Jul 22, 2022 19:33:38 GMT -5
So we can’t say ‘Fire Bloom’ til next year, ‘cause that’s when The Plan happens, right? Seems like a good night to check. Literally yes. This is basically still Dombrowski's team that Bloom has duct taped together. Next year will be the first time there is the payroll flexibility for him to really make it his own. Let’s not pretend Bloom inherited some kind of haunted house. Yes there were bad contracts and yes the roster had holes in it but he was handed a core 90% of MLB would kill for and he’s, well, pretty much in the same spot he was in 3 years ago when he took over but with a ton of money to spend on an awful FA class.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 22, 2022 19:34:21 GMT -5
Pretty sure the statue of limitations is up for blaming DD It sounds mealy-mouthed to say, but I really do think you have to view this team as mostly Dombrowski's. It doesn't mean you can't criticize individual moves Bloom makes, but bringing forth his whole vision for the organization is predicated on two big structural features: 1) building up the farm system, and 2) getting out from under DD's big contracts. The first is still in progress and just starting to bear fruit; the second really does come to fruition with the next offseason.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 22, 2022 19:34:34 GMT -5
Pretty sure the statue of limitations is up for blaming DD Wrong. Who is the GM that left this team in CBT hell?
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Post by thelpc on Jul 22, 2022 19:34:40 GMT -5
Is it too late to tank? Realistically how high of a draft pick can we get?
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Post by benzinger on Jul 22, 2022 19:35:13 GMT -5
You’d have a hard time finding a little league “grand slam” as bad as what we just witnessed. Why didn’t Duran try and get the ball?? WTF was that?!?!? I’m still shook.
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Post by manfred on Jul 22, 2022 19:35:42 GMT -5
So we can’t say ‘Fire Bloom’ til next year, ‘cause that’s when The Plan happens, right? Seems like a good night to check. Literally yes. This is basically still Dombrowski's team that Bloom has duct taped together. Next year will be the first time there is the payroll flexibility for him to really make it his own. That is so one-sided. 1st is Bloom’s (both the situation and at least Franchy). 2nd is Bloom’s. Verdugo, Kiké, Bloom. JBJ, we’ll call 50/50. Yes, though, he was “shackled” with JDM, X, Raffy, and CVaz. Most of the staff is Bloom’s (which is actually largely to his credit). I’m not relitigating they who won’t be named, but to say it isn’t his responsibility until next year is insanely generous. It is fair to say he’s had to work around some things, but he is responsible for *how* he did that.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 22, 2022 19:36:45 GMT -5
You’d have a hard time finding a little league “grand slam” as bad as what we just witnessed. Why didn’t Duran try and get the ball?? WTF was that?!?!? I’m still shook. We've had like 5 of these in the last 10 games or something, going back to that Arroyo one against the Yankees. I've never seen anything like it.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 22, 2022 19:37:36 GMT -5
Pretty sure the statue of limitations is up for blaming DD I mean, he left this roster with bloated bad contracts and no farm system. He did a great job identify the paper strong farm system, but didn't really replenish it outside of drafting Duran (appears to be a bust) and Casas. That Chris Sale contract is an absolute albatross, but people thought he over paid for Eovaldi and that mostly worked out. David Price (key in the WS to be fair) is the reason why Mookie was traded for less. After this year, his remaining 16 million of his 32 per will be off the books. The team should have ripped the bandaid off in 2020, but no one wants to stomach going into a season with a straight rebuild and wants to buy because of the slight chance of doing something in October when they're clearly a broken team.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 22, 2022 19:40:17 GMT -5
Here's what I'll say in defense of Dombrowski: it's overstated how much *he* tanked the farm system. They actually added some nice prospects during the DD years. By contrast, famous "prospect-hoarder" Ben Cherington actually did a terrible job of adding prospects to the system, and is the main culprit in which the farm system sucked ca. 2020.
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Post by foreverred9 on Jul 22, 2022 19:40:50 GMT -5
Pretty sure the statue of limitations is up for blaming DD It sounds mealy-mouthed to say, but I really do think you have to view this team as mostly Dombrowski's. It doesn't mean you can't criticize individual moves Bloom makes, but bringing forth his whole vision for the organization is predicated on two big structural features: 1) building up the farm system, and 2) getting out from under DD's big contracts. The first is still in progress and just starting to bear fruit; the second really does come to fruition with the next offseason. I completely agree with all of this. There’s no doubt that we’re in a tough position because of Dombrowski, and it’s pretty evident we succeeded last year in spite of the headwinds DD gave us. I just think that with this year the impact of DD is waning. Yes we could be better if DD didn’t put this team in the hole, but I just don’t think his impact on this year’s team is material enough to be keeping us out of the playoffs. I’m also not sitting here saying Bloom deserves the blame for this.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 22, 2022 19:41:55 GMT -5
Joe McDonald is the worst talent evaluator in New England 🤣
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Post by manfred on Jul 22, 2022 19:42:05 GMT -5
Pretty sure the statue of limitations is up for blaming DD I mean, he left this roster with bloated bad contracts and no farm system. He did a great job identify the paper strong farm system, but didn't really replenish it outside of drafting Duran (appears to be a bust) and Casas. That Chris Sale contract is an absolute albatross, but people thought he over paid for Eovaldi and that mostly worked out. David Price (key in the WS to be fair) is the reason why Mookie was traded for less. After this year, his remaining 16 million of his 32 per will be off the books. The team should have ripped the bandaid off in 2020, but no one wants to stomach going into a season with a straight rebuild and wants to buy because of the slight chance of doing something in October when they're clearly a broken team. No farm system is bogus. Their current top-10 has 4 DD guys, with Dalbec and Duran graduated by now. It is fair to say that Bello and Mata are by dar the most exciting arms in the system, Casas one of two most likely future stars, and Rafaela also exciting.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 22, 2022 19:42:11 GMT -5
Here's what I'll say in defense of Dombrowski: it's overstated how much *he* tanked the farm system. They actually added some nice prospects during the DD years. By contrast, famous "prospect-hoarder" Ben Cherington actually did a terrible job of adding prospects to the system, and is the main culprit in which the farm system sucked ca. 2020. That Ball pick still infuriates me.
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Post by manfred on Jul 22, 2022 19:44:06 GMT -5
Ok, this feels like a game that ends a season.
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Post by rico6 on Jul 22, 2022 19:44:10 GMT -5
JBJ is warming up in RF.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 22, 2022 19:44:45 GMT -5
Literally yes. This is basically still Dombrowski's team that Bloom has duct taped together. Next year will be the first time there is the payroll flexibility for him to really make it his own. That is so one-sided. 1st is Bloom’s (both the situation and at least Franchy). 2nd is Bloom’s. Verdugo, Kiké, Bloom. JBJ, we’ll call 50/50. Yes, though, he was “shackled” with JDM, X, Raffy, and CVaz. Most of the staff is Bloom’s (which is actually largely to his credit). I’m not relitigating they who won’t be named, but to say it isn’t his responsibility until next year is insanely generous. It is fair to say he’s had to work around some things, but he is responsible for *how* he did that. Dombrowski left a dead last farm system and almost no room under the CBT. You can't do anything with that. I don't care if your roster has four Mike Trouts on it. Do we seriously need to relitigate this just because the team is tailspinning and we're impatient?
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 22, 2022 19:45:10 GMT -5
14-0....i feel so bad for the people who purchased tickets.
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 22, 2022 19:45:15 GMT -5
Say Goodnight Gracie
Goodnight George.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 22, 2022 19:47:03 GMT -5
I mean, he left this roster with bloated bad contracts and no farm system. He did a great job identify the paper strong farm system, but didn't really replenish it outside of drafting Duran (appears to be a bust) and Casas. That Chris Sale contract is an absolute albatross, but people thought he over paid for Eovaldi and that mostly worked out. David Price (key in the WS to be fair) is the reason why Mookie was traded for less. After this year, his remaining 16 million of his 32 per will be off the books. The team should have ripped the bandaid off in 2020, but no one wants to stomach going into a season with a straight rebuild and wants to buy because of the slight chance of doing something in October when they're clearly a broken team. No farm system is bogus. Their current top-10 has 4 DD guys, with Dalbec and Duran graduated by now. It is fair to say that Bello and Mata are by dar the most exciting arms in the system, Casas one of two most likely future stars, and Rafaela also exciting. Dead last. www.milb.com/milb/news/farm-system-rankings-overall-30-21-304615150bleacherreport.com/articles/2852665-re-ranking-all-30-mlb-farm-systems-at-the-end-of-the-2019-milb-season
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