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Post by ericmvan on Aug 2, 2022 13:54:00 GMT -5
Three more years before his contract is up.
And if San Diego is eating most of it, so that he's very affordable ... you hope that he takes to Fenway and /or you tweak his swing [1], and puts up significantly better numbers ... and then you trade him for prospects when Casas is ready.
[1] Guys adapt their swing to their home park, and sometimes that's a bad choice for them. So these two things might be the same thing. Another example / best case scenario: Bill Mueller moving from SF to Bos.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 2, 2022 13:54:38 GMT -5
Brutal waiting for the details on this one, we have no idea what kind of trade this even is yet
Maybe the Red Sox need to finalize out some other trades to see how much they can eat and stay under the tax?
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Post by Guidas on Aug 2, 2022 13:54:55 GMT -5
Hosmer has an 81 wRC+ since May 1st. Dalbec is at 97. I'm about a thousand times more interested to see if Dalbec can go on a hot streak than I am in seeing Hosmer... do what he's done for the last half decade. Dalbec is even a better defender with more tries this year says Fangraphs.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Aug 2, 2022 14:02:08 GMT -5
bloom has me with a bunch of question marks dancing around my head.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 2, 2022 14:03:06 GMT -5
Why u starting on May 1st tho It's a random start date - I didn't know what Hosmer's number would be before I looked it up - but it removes the wonky first few weeks of the season following the short spring training.
Projections have Dalbec at basically a 100 wRC+ the rest of the season and Hosmer at like 105. Still much more interested in Dalbec's upside, especially with the way he's been pulling the ball recently.
Fenway ought to change Hosmer's projection, and maybe more than a little.
But I agree, I want to see Dalbec get a real chance the rest of the way. I think that has a good chance of upping his trade value for a team that needs a 3B. Pham is less interesting than either guy, and if they keep Dalbec, he's a bench guy.
Let's see ... + Hosmer and Pham, - JDM and J. Davis. Franchy optioned when and if Kiké comes back.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 2, 2022 14:05:01 GMT -5
Three more years before his contract is up.
And if San Diego is eating most of it, so that he's very affordable ... you hope that he takes to Fenway and /or you tweak his swing [1], and puts up significantly better numbers ... and then you trade him for prospects when Casas is ready.
[1] Guys adapt their swing to their home park, and sometimes that's a bad choice for them. So these two things might be the same thing. Another example / best case scenario: Bill Mueller moving from SF to Bos.
Start with Park Factor of 86 for Petco. From 2017 ( yeah he was much less bad then): "My point is that Hosmer’s value is much higher to a team whose home ballpark plays to the strengths of Hosmer’s batted-ball profile. And, that team is (drumroll, please)… the Boston Red Sox! (Oh, you already knew where I was going with that. Because it’s in the subheading. Well, aren’t you so smart.) In looking at Hosmer’s 2017 spray chart, Hosmer tends to pull groundballs but hit balls in the air to the opposite field. Here is Hosmer’s 2017 spray chart overlaid Kauffman Stadium: medium.com/@matthartzell/the-curious-case-of-eric-hosmer-c5faa2084c3d
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 2, 2022 14:09:43 GMT -5
If the Padres eat all of his money and he's free, I'm cool with it, though not sure why the Padres would do that. If they do though, I do think Hosmer has upside in Fenway and he's at least a lot more consistent (and just better?) than Bobby, so the team gets better down the stretch.
If the Red Sox are paying any of this deal there better be a prospect coming back.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 2, 2022 14:12:21 GMT -5
Come to think of it, Hosmer may be more of a replacement for Franchy and/or JDM than for Dalbec.
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Post by kman22 on Aug 2, 2022 14:14:03 GMT -5
Joel Sherman just speculated that buying prospects could be the Red Sox motivation. Until they say officially that it's just Hosmer and cash for ptbnl, I'm holding out hope there's a prospect coming with a subsidized Hosmer.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 2, 2022 14:14:54 GMT -5
That sounds like a prospect buy!
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Post by prospectguy34 on Aug 2, 2022 14:15:44 GMT -5
Joel Sherman just speculated that buying prospects could be the Red Sox motivation. Until they say officially that it's just Hosmer and cash for ptbnl, I'm holding out hope there's a prospect coming with a subsidized Hosmer. There's got to be a prospect or the deal is a lateral move. Doesn't make you better, doesn't make you worse.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 2, 2022 14:18:38 GMT -5
This...this is disappointing and confusing. Its almost like I'm watching a Bruins trade deadline. Yes, Hosmer is a better 1st baseman than Franchy or Dalbec but the move without a prospect coming back is underwhelming especially when San Diego is apparently not eating all of the contract.
Just call up Casas instead and save the money
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 2, 2022 14:21:31 GMT -5
Ugh. What is the point of this? Great, they get a mediocre talent, albeit subsidized, and dont get any prospects attached to him. Terrible. They could use Campusano. Instead of wasting money on Pham, why not use that money to San Diego to buy a prospect?
It's like Bloom worships mediocrity. Hosmer, Pham, and McGuire. 3 mediocre players who are all below average offensively. Terrible.
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Post by cdj on Aug 2, 2022 14:24:02 GMT -5
Lol @ complaining about getting a free upgrade at 1B
(And blah blah blah yes he’s an upgrade, show me which 1B on the Sox has a positive WAR, or an OPS+ above 100)
It’s a nothing burger of a trade. Helps them mildly. Doesn’t cost them anything at all so to be pissy about it is baffling. Less Franchy at 1B is a good thing.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 2, 2022 14:24:30 GMT -5
Ugh. What is the point of this? Great, they get a mediocre talent, albeit subsidized, and dont get any prospects attached to him. Terrible. They could use Campusano. Instead of wasting money on Pham, why not use that money to San Diego to buy a prospect? It's like Bloom worships mediocrity. Hosmer, Pham, and McGuire. 3 mediocre players who are all below average offensively. Terrible. Has this already been announced, or are you pre-complaining?
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Post by prospectguy34 on Aug 2, 2022 14:24:53 GMT -5
The Padres were willing to include Gore in the trade that included Hosmer with the Nationals. Why can't the Sox just jump in and get Gore?
I'll wait to see what comes out, but this is my main question.
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Post by kman22 on Aug 2, 2022 14:26:27 GMT -5
The Padres were willing to include Gore in the trade that included Hosmer with the Nationals. Why can't the Sox just jump in and get Gore? I'll wait to see what comes out, but this is my main question. Didn't Gore still go to Washington? Thought they kept the deal as is, just without Hosmer.
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Post by manfred on Aug 2, 2022 14:26:36 GMT -5
The Padres were willing to include Gore in the trade that included Hosmer with the Nationals. Why can't the Sox just jump in and get Gore? I'll wait to see what comes out, but this is my main question. Might happen, but Sox are not sending Soto… so might not.
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Post by prospectguy34 on Aug 2, 2022 14:27:22 GMT -5
Lol @ complaining about getting a free upgrade at 1B (And blah blah blah yes he’s an upgrade, show me which 1B on the Sox has a positive WAR, or an OPS+ above 100) It’s a nothing burger of a trade. Helps them mildly. Doesn’t cost them anything at all so to be pissy about it is baffling. Less Franchy at 1B is a good thing. Don't forget that you're really subtracting from DH when the Sox trade JDM later presumably though.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 2, 2022 14:28:50 GMT -5
The Padres were willing to include Gore in the trade that included Hosmer with the Nationals. Why can't the Sox just jump in and get Gore? I'll wait to see what comes out, but this is my main question. Gore is going to the Nats my guy.
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Post by cdj on Aug 2, 2022 14:29:41 GMT -5
I can understand the disappointment some have if they truly thought getting Gore for taking on a subsidized Hosmer was a possibility
It’s silly to think that, but I at least understand it now
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 2, 2022 14:30:00 GMT -5
Ugh. What is the point of this? Great, they get a mediocre talent, albeit subsidized, and dont get any prospects attached to him. Terrible. They could use Campusano. Instead of wasting money on Pham, why not use that money to San Diego to buy a prospect? It's like Bloom worships mediocrity. Hosmer, Pham, and McGuire. 3 mediocre players who are all below average offensively. Terrible. Yeah Campusano would be really nice, maybe that's why San Diego did not want to trade him just to dump Eric Hosmer. Doesn't the fact that San Diego is eating a big chunk of his salary maybe hint to you that they did not want to sell another top prospect after they just traded all of their others? Assuming that option was on the table just to be upset about a made up hypothetical doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by prospectguy34 on Aug 2, 2022 14:30:20 GMT -5
The Padres were willing to include Gore in the trade that included Hosmer with the Nationals. Why can't the Sox just jump in and get Gore? I'll wait to see what comes out, but this is my main question. Didn't Gore still go to Washington? Thought they kept the deal as is, just without Hosmer. You could be right, the reports are confusing and incomplete right now.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 2, 2022 14:32:47 GMT -5
There's your RF of the future!
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 2, 2022 14:32:56 GMT -5
Lol @ complaining about getting a free upgrade at 1B (And blah blah blah yes he’s an upgrade, show me which 1B on the Sox has a positive WAR, or an OPS+ above 100) It’s a nothing burger of a trade. Helps them mildly. Doesn’t cost them anything at all so to be pissy about it is baffling. Less Franchy at 1B is a good thing. You waste a roster spot on him for 3 years. We don't know all of the numbers on how much SD is picking up except its a good amount. That could be 10 million or 8 million. We don't know. Unless its the total contract, why couldn't Bloom have received a prospect from taking on the remainder of that deal? Hosmer has zero value. He's obviously better than Franchy and Dalbec but why not just call up Casas who is now healthy? It just makes zero sense unless SD is paying the entire deal or they're sending a prospect. If they don't do either then Bloom got taken.
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