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Post by jimoh on Aug 2, 2022 14:46:03 GMT -5
You waste a roster spot on him for 3 years. We don't know all of the numbers on how much SD is picking up except its a good amount. That could be 10 million or 8 million. We don't know. Unless its the total contract, why couldn't Bloom have received a prospect from taking on the remainder of that deal? Hosmer has zero value. He's obviously better than Franchy and Dalbec but why not just call up Casas who is now healthy? It just makes zero sense unless SD is paying the entire deal or they're sending a prospect. If they don't do either then Bloom got taken. You act like he’s a nobody he starts on almost every big league team at 13 million a year… You gave up nothing to get this guy and ur complaining it hurts us? If Casas ends up ready next year you trade him like you can’t lose Well over half of the big league teams have a better 1b than Hosmer. That's judging by his acts for the whole year. If you talk about how he's hit after his amazingly hot first month, the number is much higher. He helps the Red Sox this year. Almost nobody else.
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 2, 2022 14:46:07 GMT -5
Lol so no one knows anything yet…
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Post by cdj on Aug 2, 2022 14:46:12 GMT -5
You don’t have to “waste” a roster spot on him if you don’t want to, he can be kicked to the curb at any point if he’s not worth it. It’s not like we owe him real money. To complain about this is insane. It’s a zero-lose proposition, even if he comes in here and sucks. If he sucks it’s just the status quo at 1B! Missed opportunity to grab a prospect. Again, if this guy was a rental it's not a big deal. The fact you couldn't get a prospect back with this guy is very disappointing. This is a player we all joked about getting with Gore or whoever on a yearly basis to take on the deal. Now we're cool with just getting the player and having SD pick up most of the salary. Just play Casas if thats the case. got a few weeks before Casas is an option
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 2, 2022 14:46:16 GMT -5
Now this is the absolute right deal for this team to do. Take on more of the contract and get prospects. Thats what you're supposed to do.
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Post by prospectguy34 on Aug 2, 2022 14:46:39 GMT -5
The Padres were willing to include Gore in the trade that included Hosmer with the Nationals. Why can't the Sox just jump in and get Gore? I'll wait to see what comes out, but this is my main question. Because the Red Sox aren't trading Soto to the Padres. We don't know what's going where. I'll just wait for the details. Both the Soto and Hosmer trades are incomplete to the media at least. The Sox are saving the Padres by taking on Hosmer.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 2, 2022 14:47:04 GMT -5
Nope, reports say "the majority," which is literally at least half and is a word often used when it's a lot more than half. So would you consider the majority of a 13 million dollar salary to be 8 or 10 million a year? You meant "a year"? That would have been good to say.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 2, 2022 14:47:32 GMT -5
lol Rosenthal just throwing out some speculation for the engagement
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 2, 2022 14:48:02 GMT -5
The big takeaway here is that announcing that the Red Sox are getting Hosmer without immediately explaining the terms was a great way to drive lots of people insane. Seems to be the status quo. It felt like 3 years before they told us what the return on Vazquez was. We even got interviews before they announced it.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 2, 2022 14:48:24 GMT -5
So would you consider the majority of a 13 million dollar salary to be 8 or 10 million a year? You meant "a year"? That would have been good to say. Why would I cite a post saying the majority of money and then throw out 8 or 10 million? Just sayin...
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Post by prospectguy34 on Aug 2, 2022 14:48:36 GMT -5
Now this is the absolute right deal for this team to do. Take on more of the contract and get prospects. Thats what you're supposed to do. It'll be pretty disappointing if there's not a impact top 10 prospect in there somewhere. Fingers crossed.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 2, 2022 14:48:47 GMT -5
Lol so no one knows anything yet… I don't like it one bit!
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Post by cdj on Aug 2, 2022 14:49:43 GMT -5
Also to consider….
So they do in fact have a relationship
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 2, 2022 14:50:58 GMT -5
The big takeaway here is that announcing that the Red Sox are getting Hosmer without immediately explaining the terms was a great way to drive lots of people insane. Nuts R' Us...
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Post by nomar on Aug 2, 2022 14:51:00 GMT -5
The big takeaway here is that announcing that the Red Sox are getting Hosmer without immediately explaining the terms was a great way to drive lots of people insane. Seems to be the status quo. It felt like 3 years before they told us what the return on Vazquez was. We even got interviews before they announced it. The Bloom FO moves at an extremely methodical pace where no news gets leaked even when something actually happens. Really shines a light on my impatience
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 2, 2022 14:52:22 GMT -5
If the Padres are paying the majority of the contract, then they could also just release him and it would almost be the same thing. I don't think they're going to pay his contract. I think they'll be sending prospect(s). And then the Red Sox with so much financial flexibility next season should pay most of his contract and trade him for more prospects this winter after he rakes in Fenway.
THAT is a Dodgers move right there. Getting prospects from two separate trades using nothing but money.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 2, 2022 14:53:30 GMT -5
Ugh. What is the point of this? Great, they get a mediocre talent, albeit subsidized, and dont get any prospects attached to him. Terrible. They could use Campusano. Instead of wasting money on Pham, why not use that money to San Diego to buy a prospect? It's like Bloom worships mediocrity. Hosmer, Pham, and McGuire. 3 mediocre players who are all below average offensively. Terrible. Has this already been announced, or are you pre-complaining? I was misreading Joel Sherman's tweet while running around doing ten different things all at the same time. They better get Campusano. SD needs a DH. Send Pham back their way.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Aug 2, 2022 14:53:57 GMT -5
If the Padres chip-in 31.224mil, then the Red Sox will have him for free (for luxury tax purposes) for the next 3 years. If the Padres chip-in more, the Red Sox would receive a luxury tax credit and could spend more on other players.
A great prospect instead would be ideal, but I'd rather get the money than a flier, or another 40-man eligible, type guy.
Gives them time to wait on Casas and depth if they trade Martinez. I don't think it affects Dalbec much, if at all, currently.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 2, 2022 14:54:52 GMT -5
If the Padres chip-in 31.8mil, then the Red Sox will have him for free (for luxury tax purposes) for the next 3 years. If the Padres chip-in more, the Red Sox would receive a luxury tax credit and could spend more on other players. A great prospect instead would be ideal, but I'd rather get the money than a flier, or another 40-man eligible, type guy. Gives them time to wait on Casas and depth if they trade Martinez. I don't think it affects Dalbec much, if at all, currently. Why wouldn't the Padres just release him instead of paying more than his salary?
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Post by notstarboard on Aug 2, 2022 14:55:56 GMT -5
If the Padres chip-in 31.8mil, then the Red Sox will have him for free (for luxury tax purposes) for the next 3 years. If the Padres chip-in more, the Red Sox would receive a luxury tax credit and could spend more on other players. A great prospect instead would be ideal, but I'd rather get the money than a flier, or another 40-man eligible, type guy. Gives them time to wait on Casas and depth if they trade Martinez. I don't think it affects Dalbec much, if at all, currently. Can you explain the math on this? I thought his next three years were 3/39 and I would have expected that full AAV to count towards the tax under the new CBA.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 2, 2022 14:56:11 GMT -5
If the Padres chip-in 31.8mil, then the Red Sox will have him for free (for luxury tax purposes) for the next 3 years. If the Padres chip-in more, the Red Sox would receive a luxury tax credit and could spend more on other players. A great prospect instead would be ideal, but I'd rather get the money than a flier, or another 40-man eligible, type guy. Gives them time to wait on Casas and depth if they trade Martinez. I don't think it affects Dalbec much, if at all, currently. How would the Padres eating less than the money owed for the next 3 seasons on Hosmer give the sox a $0 luxury tax hit on Hosmer? Perhaps I am missing something but that doesn't seem correct to me?
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 2, 2022 14:58:17 GMT -5
Lol @ complaining about getting a free upgrade at 1B (And blah blah blah yes he’s an upgrade, show me which 1B on the Sox has a positive WAR, or an OPS+ above 100) It’s a nothing burger of a trade. Helps them mildly. Doesn’t cost them anything at all so to be pissy about it is baffling. Less Franchy at 1B is a good thing. You waste a roster spot on him for 3 years. We don't know all of the numbers on how much SD is picking up except its a good amount. That could be 10 million or 8 million. We don't know. Unless its the total contract, why couldn't Bloom have received a prospect from taking on the remainder of that deal? Hosmer has zero value. He's obviously better than Franchy and Dalbec but why not just call up Casas who is now healthy? It just makes zero sense unless SD is paying the entire deal or they're sending a prospect. If they don't do either then Bloom got taken. Actually on a pace for $4.7M, which should end up as $5.0 M or more if he hits in Fenway as the data suggests.
He has $60M left on the contact.
AAV as a function of money they're eating
$50M > $3M AAV $45 M > $4.5M AAV $40M > $ 6.3M
$45M would leave us with a desirable trade chip.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 2, 2022 14:58:30 GMT -5
It's like Bloom worships mediocrity. Hosmer, Pham, and McGuire. 3 mediocre players who are all below average offensively. Terrible. Bloom is being paid on the side by the Rays. He's instructed to sabotage the Sox organization. It explains a lot.
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Post by 07redsox on Aug 2, 2022 14:59:34 GMT -5
If the Padres chip-in 31.8mil, then the Red Sox will have him for free (for luxury tax purposes) for the next 3 years. If the Padres chip-in more, the Red Sox would receive a luxury tax credit and could spend more on other players. A great prospect instead would be ideal, but I'd rather get the money than a flier, or another 40-man eligible, type guy. Gives them time to wait on Casas and depth if they trade Martinez. I don't think it affects Dalbec much, if at all, currently. How would the Padres eating less than the money owed for the next 3 seasons on Hosmer give the sox a $0 luxury tax hit on Hosmer? Perhaps I am missing something but that doesn't seem correct to me? Not sure how this works for luxury tax purposes or if this is the reason why, but his original contract was extremely front loaded I believe. He only has 3/$39 left, but he was making $20 million or so a year for the first handful of years of the contract.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Aug 2, 2022 14:59:54 GMT -5
The future is here! (I kid… we’ll see what this is about). The Red Sox get Hosmer for 2 months of 2022 plus 2023, 2024, and 2025 for $14,000,000 or $4,200,000 per year. I will be anxious to see who else they got and what they have to give up. For those who want to contend this year…..he is an upgrade over Franchy!
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Post by chr31ter on Aug 2, 2022 15:02:09 GMT -5
Now that the Padres have announced the Soto/Bell trade, maybe they can get around to announcing the details of the Eric Hosmer deal.
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