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Post by notstarboard on Aug 2, 2022 15:04:36 GMT -5
How would the Padres eating less than the money owed for the next 3 seasons on Hosmer give the sox a $0 luxury tax hit on Hosmer? Perhaps I am missing something but that doesn't seem correct to me? Not sure how this works for luxury tax purposes or if this is the reason why, but his original contract was extremely front loaded I believe. He only has 3/$39 left, but he was making $20 million or so a year for the first handful of years of the contract. As far as I understand it the new CBA specifies that the AAV be recalculated when a player is traded, so the only bit that would be relevant for the Sox would be the remaining 3+ years on the deal. Under the old CBA I think the AAV for the total deal would apply, so we're actually in better shape under the new one. |
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Post by bosoxnation on Aug 2, 2022 15:05:39 GMT -5
If the Padres are paying the majority of his salary like reported then we just got a decent LH bat to play 1st until Casas is ready which has been one of our biggest weaknesses. He's also under control for a few years so we can move him to DH or even flip him at the end of the year but it makes more sense that we just got a DH for almost free and 1 less hole Bloom needs to fill in the offseason and allows us to take that DH money and sign X and Devers. How can you not like this trade? He's literally produced almost identical numbers to Vazquez this year. This was a steal imo.
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Post by chr31ter on Aug 2, 2022 15:06:15 GMT -5
Also, is there any chance that the hold up in announcing the deal is because Don Orsillo is part of the trade?
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Post by cdj on Aug 2, 2022 15:06:57 GMT -5
Also, is there any chance that the hold up in announcing the deal is because Don Orsillo is part of the trade? I’d give them Casas |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 2, 2022 15:09:01 GMT -5
Also, is there any chance that the hold up in announcing the deal is because Don Orsillo is part of the trade? I’d give them Casas Only if they take Dave O'Brien. |
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 2, 2022 15:10:38 GMT -5
Only if they take Dave O'Brien. We would need to give up Mayer for them to do that |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 2, 2022 15:11:38 GMT -5
Wally for the San Diego Chicken are also part of the deal.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 2, 2022 15:12:59 GMT -5
Hosmer AAV is $18 million right? The last 3 years is 13 million per, so 3 years 39 million. Even if they ate all the money, wouldn't he still hold a $5 million charge for luxury tax for 3 years? That's why they trade him versus release him. It's also why we could get something back even if they pay most of it.
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Post by stevedillard on Aug 2, 2022 15:14:37 GMT -5
I assume we’re getting a California shortstop in the trade.
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Post by chr31ter on Aug 2, 2022 15:15:15 GMT -5
Hosmer AAV is $18 million right? The last 3 years is 13 million per, so 3 years 39 million. Even if they ate all the money, wouldn't he still hold a $5 million charge for luxury tax for 3 years? That's why they trade him versus release him. It's also why we could get something back even if they pay most of it. I believe the new CBT changed the rule so that if you trade for a player, his CBT figure is the actual remaining dollars owed on the contract. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 2, 2022 15:15:46 GMT -5
Hosmer AAV is $18 million right? The last 3 years is 13 million per, so 3 years 39 million. Even if they ate all the money, wouldn't he still hold a $5 million charge for luxury tax for 3 years? That's why they trade him versus release him. It's also why we could get something back even if they pay most of it. So
They release him he's 18 AAV on their books for 3 more years
They trade him and pay $39 million it's 13 AAV on their books for 3 more years and the other team team owes him nothing
Is this how it works?
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 2, 2022 15:16:00 GMT -5
Hosmer AAV is $18 million right? The last 3 years is 13 million per, so 3 years 39 million. Even if they ate all the money, wouldn't he still hold a $5 million charge for luxury tax for 3 years? That's why they trade him versus release him. It's also why we could get something back even if they pay most of it. Campusano would be the obvious target, especially given the Sox current catching depth, but do the Padre's have any interesting prospects left other than him? |
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 2, 2022 15:16:14 GMT -5
If Hosmer's summer home gets firebombed I would put Luke Voit at the top of the list of suspects..
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 2, 2022 15:17:59 GMT -5
Hosmer AAV is $18 million right? The last 3 years is 13 million per, so 3 years 39 million. Even if they ate all the money, wouldn't he still hold a $5 million charge for luxury tax for 3 years? That's why they trade him versus release him. It's also why we could get something back even if they pay most of it. Campusano would be the obvious target, especially given the Sox current catching depth, but do the Padre's have any interesting prospects left other than him? They have Merrill. He is also technically a California SS so he fits. |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 2, 2022 15:18:54 GMT -5
Hosmer a 19 WAR player for his career. Thought it was somewhat higher. Like closer to 30. That's certainly what Preller thought he would be... |
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Post by notstarboard on Aug 2, 2022 15:19:20 GMT -5
Hosmer AAV is $18 million right? The last 3 years is 13 million per, so 3 years 39 million. Even if they ate all the money, wouldn't he still hold a $5 million charge for luxury tax for 3 years? That's why they trade him versus release him. It's also why we could get something back even if they pay most of it. So
They release him he's 18 AAV on their books for 3 more years
They trade him and pay $39 million it's 13 AAV on their books for 3 more years and the other team team owes him nothing
Is this how it works?
Yep, pretty sure. He's so much more tradeable on the new CBA. |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 2, 2022 15:20:31 GMT -5
You don’t have to “waste” a roster spot on him if you don’t want to, he can be kicked to the curb at any point if he’s not worth it. It’s not like we owe him real money. To complain about this is insane. It’s a zero-lose proposition, even if he comes in here and sucks. If he sucks it’s just the status quo at 1B! Missed opportunity to grab a prospect. Again, if this guy was a rental it's not a big deal. The fact you couldn't get a prospect back with this guy is very disappointing. This is a player we all joked about getting with Gore or whoever on a yearly basis to take on the deal. Now we're cool with just getting the player and having SD pick up most of the salary. Just play Casas if thats the case. If they're not getting a prospect back, it would seem Chaim still hopes to duck under the CBT this year... |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 2, 2022 15:21:26 GMT -5
Hosmer a 19 WAR player for his career. Thought it was somewhat higher. Like closer to 30. Only 10 in real WAR (fangraphs). FG hates his defense. |
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 2, 2022 15:21:32 GMT -5
So
They release him he's 18 AAV on their books for 3 more years
They trade him and pay $39 million it's 13 AAV on their books for 3 more years and the other team team owes him nothing
Is this how it works?
Yep, pretty sure. He's so much more tradeable on the new CBA. That’s an interesting arbitrage for sure around $5M of annual cap space |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 2, 2022 15:21:45 GMT -5
Hosmer AAV is $18 million right? The last 3 years is 13 million per, so 3 years 39 million. Even if they ate all the money, wouldn't he still hold a $5 million charge for luxury tax for 3 years? That's why they trade him versus release him. It's also why we could get something back even if they pay most of it. I believe the new CBT changed the rule so that if you trade for a player, his CBT figure is the actual remaining dollars owed on the contract. You have a link to that information? |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 2, 2022 15:22:13 GMT -5
I still reserve the right to bitch about it!!! |
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Post by bosox904 on Aug 2, 2022 15:22:31 GMT -5
Hosmer AAV is $18 million right? The last 3 years is 13 million per, so 3 years 39 million. Even if they ate all the money, wouldn't he still hold a $5 million charge for luxury tax for 3 years? That's why they trade him versus release him. It's also why we could get something back even if they pay most of it. Campusano would be the obvious target, especially given the Sox current catching depth, but do the Padre's have any interesting prospects left other than him? Victor Lizarraga, Jackson Merrill and Josh Mears are intriguing. |
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Post by jimoh on Aug 2, 2022 15:23:33 GMT -5
This has probably been mentioned but one thing possibly holding things up is that the Red Sox can afford to play tough because if Hosmer finishers the year in SD he’s a 10/5 guy with full no-trade rights—and a demonstrated willingness to use them. San Diego can’t trade him next winter. Red Sox can.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Aug 2, 2022 15:24:32 GMT -5
If the Padres chip-in 31.8mil, then the Red Sox will have him for free (for luxury tax purposes) for the next 3 years. If the Padres chip-in more, the Red Sox would receive a luxury tax credit and could spend more on other players. A great prospect instead would be ideal, but I'd rather get the money than a flier, or another 40-man eligible, type guy. Gives them time to wait on Casas and depth if they trade Martinez. I don't think it affects Dalbec much, if at all, currently. Can you explain the math on this? I thought his next three years were 3/39 and I would have expected that full AAV to count towards the tax under the new CBA. It should be 24mil - I grabbed the AAV from Fangraphs real quick - didn't check how they got their math. [39-(18-13)*3]=24 |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 2, 2022 15:30:08 GMT -5
I assume we’re getting a California shortstop in the trade. Yep, Eric Hosmer Jr., in SD Little League... |
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