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Post by notstarboard on Dec 6, 2022 23:35:48 GMT -5
In an around 2004 and a bit afterwards, Boston was the place a lot of players wanted to go to. For awhile it was either Boston or New York. I think that has changed, even for New York as well. I don't think the perception of the Red Sox around the game is overwhelmingly positive like it was a while back. I think it's getting to the point Boston is just another place. Winning changes this perception quickly. So does this not being true in the first place. I'm just a guy, but I've felt no change. Is the implication that people should just ignore the money, family ties, etc. because Boston is that prestigious?
Sorry to everyone if I seem snippy tonight - just getting fed up with the barrage of doomerism and general negativity on the forum. Let's be a little patient, yeah? Plenty of time to complain in March if none of the remaining holes have been filled. No need to be negative on everything related to the team until we find out who's playing SS next year.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Dec 6, 2022 23:37:10 GMT -5
I'm starting to think the Sox would rather sign Nimmo for 5/105 than Xander for 6/160+ and will just move Keke to SS. Probably the best move assuming you can get somewhat comparable production from Nimmo at a much better price.
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Post by nomar on Dec 6, 2022 23:37:23 GMT -5
You certainly can’t bank on him for any of the holes on the roster right now, but I’m curious as to wether or not Bloom thinks Enmanuel Valdez can hit his way onto the roster at some point next year.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 6, 2022 23:38:12 GMT -5
I'm starting to think the Sox would rather sign Nimmo for 5/105 than Xander for 6/160+ and will just move Keke to SS. Probably the best move assuming you can get somewhat comparable production from Nimmo at a much better price. He would cost them a 2nd round pick, wouldn't he?
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Post by wOBA Fett on Dec 6, 2022 23:45:18 GMT -5
I'm starting to think the Sox would rather sign Nimmo for 5/105 than Xander for 6/160+ and will just move Keke to SS. Probably the best move assuming you can get somewhat comparable production from Nimmo at a much better price. He would cost them a 2nd round pick, wouldn't he? Yes, but Bloom might have to eat that price if it allows him to replace Xander with a comparable outfield bat at a reasonable price. Keke makes a lot of sense at SS if you can get a much better deal on a FA outfielder. Then you use the prospects for a starter instead of an outfielder.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 6, 2022 23:57:26 GMT -5
I'm starting to think the Sox would rather sign Nimmo for 5/105 than Xander for 6/160+ and will just move Keke to SS. Probably the best move assuming you can get somewhat comparable production from Nimmo at a much better price. That's 47.67mil and the Red Sox have ~75mil to spend, so why not both? That and a solid-to-better SP and I'd call the off-season a win.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Dec 7, 2022 0:03:11 GMT -5
I'm starting to think the Sox would rather sign Nimmo for 5/105 than Xander for 6/160+ and will just move Keke to SS. Probably the best move assuming you can get somewhat comparable production from Nimmo at a much better price. That's 47.67mil and the Red Sox have ~75mil to spend, so why not both? That and a solid-to-better SP and I'd call the off-season a win. I don't think the Sox will go much higher for Xander than 6/160+ and I think Xander will get more than that in the market. There are some good SPs on bad teams entering their last year that are younger then the FA's, but you'll need to save some room to lock them up as part of a trade. The remaining money can then be spent signing platoon players to better deals.
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Post by soxaddict on Dec 7, 2022 6:08:12 GMT -5
I'm starting to think the Sox would rather sign Nimmo for 5/105 than Xander for 6/160+ and will just move Keke to SS. Probably the best move assuming you can get somewhat comparable production from Nimmo at a much better price. He would cost them a 2nd round pick, wouldn't he? Signing Nimmo would cost them their 2nd, and 5th highest picks plus $1M in international bonus money.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 7, 2022 6:41:54 GMT -5
He would cost them a 2nd round pick, wouldn't he? Signing Nimmo would cost them their 2nd, and 5th highest picks plus $1M in international bonus money. Wow, that's kind of steep, especially as they can't recoup a 2nd round pick themselves should they lose a QO free agent or two.
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Post by bspeed on Dec 7, 2022 7:41:53 GMT -5
This is starting to feel like early-mid 90's era Red Sox. They seemed to have no real direction, were willing to let stars walk away, tried to fill out the roster with past prime stars or never were's , diamonds in the rough etc. First order of business should have been hammer out a deal with Xander then fill the rest of the holes, they seem to be trying to fill other holes and then circle back to Xander.
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Post by stevedillard on Dec 7, 2022 8:29:50 GMT -5
9/360 makes 10/300 seem reasonable
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Post by greenmonster on Dec 7, 2022 9:16:08 GMT -5
9 players still to add....Hopefully Bloom Crushes the Rule5 draft
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 7, 2022 9:27:47 GMT -5
This is starting to feel like early-mid 90's era Red Sox. They seemed to have no real direction, were willing to let stars walk away, tried to fill out the roster with past prime stars or never were's , diamonds in the rough etc. First order of business should have been hammer out a deal with Xander then fill the rest of the holes, they seem to be trying to fill other holes and then circle back to Xander. The only star that has walked away lately has been Mookie, and he was looking at $400+ million without COVID. Can we chill with the doomerism about something that hasn't even happened yet? The Sox have long kept some stars (Pedroia, Ortiz) and let others walk (Nomar, Ellsbury). You can't force Xander to sign first and there is no reason not to pursue other deals in the meantime. It could easily be that teams were waiting to know where Judge went to know if they could bid up on Correa, and teams are now waiting to know where Correa goes to know if they can bid up on Bogaerts.
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Post by nomar on Dec 7, 2022 9:34:54 GMT -5
This is starting to feel like early-mid 90's era Red Sox. They seemed to have no real direction, were willing to let stars walk away, tried to fill out the roster with past prime stars or never were's , diamonds in the rough etc. First order of business should have been hammer out a deal with Xander then fill the rest of the holes, they seem to be trying to fill other holes and then circle back to Xander. The problem isn’t that they’re losing stars, it’s that the farm hasn’t produced one since Devers. Hopefully Casas, Bello, Mayer, etc change that soon.
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Post by manfred on Dec 7, 2022 9:58:51 GMT -5
This is starting to feel like early-mid 90's era Red Sox. They seemed to have no real direction, were willing to let stars walk away, tried to fill out the roster with past prime stars or never were's , diamonds in the rough etc. First order of business should have been hammer out a deal with Xander then fill the rest of the holes, they seem to be trying to fill other holes and then circle back to Xander. The only star that has walked away lately has been Mookie, and he was looking at $400+ million without COVID. Can we chill with the doomerism about something that hasn't even happened yet? The Sox have long kept some stars (Pedroia, Ortiz) and let others walk (Nomar, Ellsbury). You can't force Xander to sign first and there is no reason not to pursue other deals in the meantime. It could easily be that teams were waiting to know where Judge went to know if they could bid up on Correa, and teams are now waiting to know where Correa goes to know if they can bid up on Bogaerts. Mookie didn’t walk away. He was traded.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Dec 7, 2022 10:00:12 GMT -5
The only star that has walked away lately has been Mookie, and he was looking at $400+ million without COVID. Can we chill with the doomerism about something that hasn't even happened yet? The Sox have long kept some stars (Pedroia, Ortiz) and let others walk (Nomar, Ellsbury). You can't force Xander to sign first and there is no reason not to pursue other deals in the meantime. It could easily be that teams were waiting to know where Judge went to know if they could bid up on Correa, and teams are now waiting to know where Correa goes to know if they can bid up on Bogaerts. Mookie didn’t walk away. He was traded. Let’s not go down this rabbit hole again.
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Post by manfred on Dec 7, 2022 10:05:10 GMT -5
Here is the thing I wonder: are we overestimating what ~$30 million will look like in 6+ years? Looking back at Cespedes in 2017 getting 4/$110… that isn’t so bad now. So by those tail end years of Judge’s contract, will star players be getting $45-50 AAV contracts? In which case $35 mill won’t be nearly as bad as it seems now?
Or JDM’s contract. It seemed big at the time, but he ended up getting <$25 mill a year. Chump change now.
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 7, 2022 10:15:36 GMT -5
The only star that has walked away lately has been Mookie, and he was looking at $400+ million without COVID. Can we chill with the doomerism about something that hasn't even happened yet? The Sox have long kept some stars (Pedroia, Ortiz) and let others walk (Nomar, Ellsbury). You can't force Xander to sign first and there is no reason not to pursue other deals in the meantime. It could easily be that teams were waiting to know where Judge went to know if they could bid up on Correa, and teams are now waiting to know where Correa goes to know if they can bid up on Bogaerts. Mookie didn’t walk away. He was traded. Semantics. He made it clear he wanted to be a free agent and it would have taken $400+ million to either change his mind or bring him back on the open market. The Sox were never going to come close to that, so they traded him. If they didn't, he would have walked regardless.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 7, 2022 10:23:27 GMT -5
Mookie didn’t walk away. He was traded. Semantics. He made it clear he wanted to be a free agent and it would have taken $400+ million to either change his mind or bring him back on the open market. The Sox were never going to come close to that, so they traded him. If they didn't, he would have walked regardless. "Absolutely, I just didn’t get it,” Betts told Gasper. “That’s the argument. I didn’t get it, so that’s why I am where I am.”
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 7, 2022 10:37:34 GMT -5
Semantics. He made it clear he wanted to be a free agent and it would have taken $400+ million to either change his mind or bring him back on the open market. The Sox were never going to come close to that, so they traded him. If they didn't, he would have walked regardless. "Absolutely, I just didn’t get it,” Betts told Gasper. “That’s the argument. I didn’t get it, so that’s why I am where I am.”
The Red Sox offered 10/300. He countered with 12/420. He also said repeatedly he wanted to reach free agency. He would not have signed for 12/365 mid-season without COVID.
And, regardless, the point is moot because the Sox were never in a million years going to be the high bidder for him in free agency. They had no farm and and payroll full of bloated, unproductive contracts. Signing him would have made no sense.
This is entirely besides the point of the thread
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 7, 2022 10:58:50 GMT -5
Please stop rehashing the Mookie trade. Thanks.
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Post by kwodes on Dec 7, 2022 11:19:08 GMT -5
With the Padres offering big money to Trea and Judge, maybe it is plausible that they sign Xander/dansby/Correa and look to trade tatis. I'd be more than comfortable "buying low" on him. The opportunity to add a talent like that, at a premium position, with the opportunity for enormous surplus value, is tough to pass up.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 7, 2022 11:41:16 GMT -5
Please stop rehashing the Mookie trade. Thanks. Thank you — my PTSD was flaring up.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 7, 2022 12:01:35 GMT -5
Calling my shot:
1) Bogaerts 2) Benintendi 3) Marcelo for Murphy
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 7, 2022 12:04:23 GMT -5
Calling my shot: 1) Bogaerts 2) Benintendi 3) Marcelo for Murphy I'd pretty pretty pissed if they dealt Mayer in a deal for Murphy but maybe that's just me.
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