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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 7, 2022 12:07:59 GMT -5
Calling my shot: 1) Bogaerts 2) Benintendi 3) Marcelo for Murphy Benintendi is Alex Verdugo. Verdugo is Benintendi. I think it’s more likely that it’s Conforto to avoid repetition in the roster. Not to mention he would be more affordable in that it would only be a one year deal. If X is resigned, I wouldn’t trade Mayer for Murphy unless you’re getting something else from the A’s. Maybe Laureano and a prospect w/ upside? This would make an OF signing irrelevant as well.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Dec 7, 2022 12:20:58 GMT -5
Calling my shot: 1) Bogaerts 2) Benintendi 3) Marcelo for Murphy I'd pretty pretty pissed if they dealt Mayer in a deal for Murphy but maybe that's just me. No.........no it's just not you.
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Post by rismith on Dec 7, 2022 12:29:57 GMT -5
If they sign X...how would a smaller signing like Jurickson Profar to play LF with some ability to back up middle infield and move Verdugo to RF or Verdugo in a package for Bryan Reynolds?
How much would Profar set us back?
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 7, 2022 19:40:32 GMT -5
I'll bet the Red Sox interest on Vazquez is very fake and just a favor to an old friend
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Dec 7, 2022 19:47:37 GMT -5
Was there any truth to the rumor that Bloom and the FO didn’t like his game management and handling of the pitching staff? I don’t remember if it was substantiated or not.
I’d like him back, but not if digging deeper into the stats indicate he had a worrisome effect on the underlying pitching stats.
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Post by cdj on Dec 7, 2022 19:53:56 GMT -5
Twins fans gonna love his baserunning
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2022 9:54:22 GMT -5
So what's next, fellas?
Pretty upset about losing Xander, but if I have to absorb a million tweets/articles/podcasts about him leaving without any solutions on what to do next I'm going to lose my mind lol
Right now I'm sure they're target an addition or upgrade at SS/2B (to replace Xander), OF/DH (to replace JD), and catcher. Where we going with this?
Unrelated to position players, but kinda wonder if you throw resources at the pitching side of things and try to be the team that wins 3-2 every game instead of 6-4 (i.e. the Guardians)
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Post by manfred on Dec 8, 2022 9:59:37 GMT -5
So what's next, fellas? Pretty upset about losing Xander, but if I have to absorb a million tweets/articles/podcasts about him leaving without any solutions on what to do next I'm going to lose my mind lol Right now I'm sure they're target an addition or upgrade at SS/2B (to replace Xander), OF/DH (to replace JD), and catcher. Where we going with this? Unrelated to position players, but kinda wonder if you throw resources at the pitching side of things and try to be the team that wins 3-2 every game instead of 6-4 (i.e. the Guardians) One concern with the pitching thing: this may not be the best defense. Corner OF could be a spectacle. If Story is at SS, his arm might be an issue. Second is unmanned at the moment. The D should be adequate, but if you are going pitching first, it should be better.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 8, 2022 10:23:05 GMT -5
So what's next, fellas? Pretty upset about losing Xander, but if I have to absorb a million tweets/articles/podcasts about him leaving without any solutions on what to do next I'm going to lose my mind lol Right now I'm sure they're target an addition or upgrade at SS/2B (to replace Xander), OF/DH (to replace JD), and catcher. Where we going with this? Unrelated to position players, but kinda wonder if you throw resources at the pitching side of things and try to be the team that wins 3-2 every game instead of 6-4 (i.e. the Guardians) One concern with the pitching thing: this may not be the best defense. Corner OF could be a spectacle. If Story is at SS, his arm might be an issue. Second is unmanned at the moment. The D should be adequate, but if you are going pitching first, it should be better. Especially with the shift now gone the way of the triceratops.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 8, 2022 10:45:43 GMT -5
My opinion, there are 3 options in front of Bloom:
- Sign Correa to whatever it costs - Sign Devers to whatever it costs - Trade Devers for prospects
He's going to have to pick one.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2022 10:56:19 GMT -5
My opinion, there are 3 options in front of Bloom: - Sign Correa to whatever it costs - Sign Devers to whatever it costs - Trade Devers for prospects He's going to have to pick one. There's always dont sign Correa and let Devers walk away for a 4th round draft pick
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Post by redsox3in10 on Dec 8, 2022 10:56:47 GMT -5
My opinion, there are 3 options in front of Bloom: - Sign Correa to whatever it costs - Sign Devers to whatever it costs - Trade Devers for prospects He's going to have to pick one. I would like him to pick both of the first two please.
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Post by curtisw on Dec 8, 2022 10:58:27 GMT -5
My opinion, there are 3 options in front of Bloom: - Sign Correa to whatever it costs - Sign Devers to whatever it costs - Trade Devers for prospects He's going to have to pick one. Yeah idk. The one thing this this iteration of the FO is teaching me is do not assume stuff like this. Maybe you aren’t necessarily assuming they will pick one of those lanes but I seriously think there’s a good chance they pick none of those lanes. They may repeat this whole dance with Devers. I have a hard time they’ll deal him this winter when his value will be highest in terms of prospects he will bring back. I also doubt he will be moved at the deadline. I’m not at all clear what the play is and the article by McWilliams I posted in the Bogey to SD thread makes it seem like Bloom doesn’t either and he is shocked and dismayed. Genuinely not sure he knows what the play is going to be either. I would prepare for them to not do any of these things. The most likely of the three is trading Devers. I’m very cynical at this stage about resigning him. I assume most here are now
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 8, 2022 11:14:38 GMT -5
My opinion, there are 3 options in front of Bloom: - Sign Correa to whatever it costs - Sign Devers to whatever it costs - Trade Devers for prospects He's going to have to pick one. There's always dont sign Correa and let Devers walk away for a 4th round draft pick So in this scenario, they don't get a SS, and still blow past the CBT?
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Post by Guidas on Dec 8, 2022 11:17:01 GMT -5
There's always dont sign Correa and let Devers walk away for a 4th round draft pick So in this scenario, they don't get a SS, and still blow past the CBT? Correct. Sample alternative: Jose Iglesias reunion in 3...2...1...
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Post by Guidas on Dec 8, 2022 11:18:14 GMT -5
My opinion, there are 3 options in front of Bloom: - Sign Correa to whatever it costs - Sign Devers to whatever it costs - Trade Devers for prospects He's going to have to pick one. Meanwhile, just posting this without comment:
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Dec 8, 2022 11:33:11 GMT -5
My opinion, there are 3 options in front of Bloom: - Sign Correa to whatever it costs - Sign Devers to whatever it costs - Trade Devers for prospects He's going to have to pick one. Meanwhile, just posting this without comment: Context - it doesn’t matter anymore!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2022 12:40:03 GMT -5
Meanwhile, just posting this without comment: Context - it doesn’t matter anymore! Get the point about nuance but is it factually wrong? This IS what the Sox have to show for those assets. Benintendi was turned into 5 prospects. Not a bad idea. All five either busted or are extremely likely to bust depending upon what you think of Winckowski. That's taking a loss on Benintendi. The bottom line is that there are a bunch of these moves which have not moved the team forward.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 8, 2022 12:50:05 GMT -5
Context - it doesn’t matter anymore! Get the point about nuance but is it factually wrong? This IS what the Sox have to show for those assets. Benintendi was turned into 5 prospects. Not a bad idea. All five either busted or are extremely likely to bust depending upon what you think of Winckowski. That's taking a loss on Benintendi. The bottom line is that there are a bunch of these moves which have not moved the team forward. This is the problem I have with Bloom trying to do a pseudo-rebuild, which is how I would characterize the last 3 years. If you are going to do a rebuild, just rip off the bandaid and do a rebuild. They decided to trade Mookie - okay, fine. But they used him to offload dead money and preferred major league talent instead of prospects, which resulted in a good player like Verdugo and a few meh prospects like Downs and Wong. Then they trade Benintendi, but it's not like he had much value to begin with, so of course they got junk back. But even with this pseudo-rebuild, they hung onto all of their best players, namely Xander and Devers. So now we are in this situation, where sure they had the 2021 run, but generally speaking the last 3 years have been lousy, which wasn't really all the unexpected considering where the team was in 2019 and 2020, and but they didn't actually use that time to really build up the farm so that it was ready to roll going into 2023 and 2024.
It's like he's half-in, half-out. If you don't think the team is worth investing in, then flip the assets you do have to improve the future. But so far Bloom has decided to neither invest heavily in the current team, but also not tear it down. And that is just bad.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Dec 8, 2022 12:50:47 GMT -5
Context - it doesn’t matter anymore! Get the point about nuance but is it factually wrong? This IS what the Sox have to show for those assets. Benintendi was turned into 5 prospects. Not a bad idea. All five either busted or are extremely likely to bust depending upon what you think of Winckowski. That's taking a loss on Benintendi. The bottom line is that there are a bunch of these moves which have not moved the team forward. It is not factually wrong and I understand that this is not where people want the franchise to be but it's also a terrible tweet completely devoid of any nuance that is designed to rile people up and get angry reactions from people who don't have the critical thinking skills to do anything but just that.
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Post by manfred on Dec 8, 2022 12:56:14 GMT -5
Get the point about nuance but is it factually wrong? This IS what the Sox have to show for those assets. Benintendi was turned into 5 prospects. Not a bad idea. All five either busted or are extremely likely to bust depending upon what you think of Winckowski. That's taking a loss on Benintendi. The bottom line is that there are a bunch of these moves which have not moved the team forward. It is not factually wrong and I understand that this is not where people want the franchise to be but it's also a terrible tweet completely devoid of any nuance that is designed to rile people up and get angry reactions from people who don't have the critical thinking skills to do anything but just that. It might be partly that it has been three years of “yes, that is factually correct but you are missing all the subtle meaning”? That seems at once condescending and, eventually, like excuse-making. Has there been a talent loss? Yes, but you don’t understand how, really, it is all for the best. It is the Candide position. Just today we’ve gotten a they didn’t really only win 78 games, second tier guys are really better than X, etc. I am ready to gave a statistic that doesn’t have an x in front of it.
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 8, 2022 12:58:10 GMT -5
My opinion, there are 3 options in front of Bloom: - Sign Correa to whatever it costs - Sign Devers to whatever it costs - Trade Devers for prospects He's going to have to pick one. Yes this has to be resolved this off-season.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 8, 2022 13:02:07 GMT -5
It is not factually wrong and I understand that this is not where people want the franchise to be but it's also a terrible tweet completely devoid of any nuance that is designed to rile people up and get angry reactions from people who don't have the critical thinking skills to do anything but just that. It might be partly that it has been three years of “yes, that is factually correct but you are missing all the subtle meaning”? That seems at once condescending and, eventually, like excuse-making. Has there been a talent loss? Yes, but you don’t understand how, really, it is all for the best. It is the Candide position. Just today we’ve gotten a they didn’t really only win 78 games, second tier guys are really better than X, etc. I am ready to gave a statistic that doesn’t have an x in front of it. Does not seem like you're in the mood for fairly interpreting what anyone is saying unless they're wallowing in misery.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 8, 2022 13:11:07 GMT -5
Get the point about nuance but is it factually wrong? This IS what the Sox have to show for those assets. Benintendi was turned into 5 prospects. Not a bad idea. All five either busted or are extremely likely to bust depending upon what you think of Winckowski. That's taking a loss on Benintendi. The bottom line is that there are a bunch of these moves which have not moved the team forward. It is not factually wrong and I understand that this is not where people want the franchise to be but it's also a terrible tweet completely devoid of any nuance that is designed to rile people up and get angry reactions from people who don't have the critical thinking skills to do anything but just that. No, in fact it is factually wrong, because - if we posit Benintendi getting, say, $15 million - Bloom has turned those guys into Verdugo, et al. plus the $66 million in annual money saved on what the three B's are earning. In theory that's convertible into about 8 wins on the free agent market. Those three players project for maybe 11-12 wins this season, so that puts the Red Sox slightly in negative territory (when not counting Verdugo and the prospects), but of course they're almost certain to come out well ahead over the course of the next decade.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Dec 8, 2022 13:13:37 GMT -5
It might be partly that it has been three years of “yes, that is factually correct but you are missing all the subtle meaning”? That seems at once condescending and, eventually, like excuse-making. Has there been a talent loss? Yes, but you don’t understand how, really, it is all for the best. It is the Candide position. Just today we’ve gotten a they didn’t really only win 78 games, second tier guys are really better than X, etc. I am ready to gave a statistic that doesn’t have an x in front of it. Does not seem like you're in the mood for fairly interpreting what anyone is saying unless they're wallowing in misery. And he hasn't been for the entire three years he's complaining about. Anyone who's listened to one (1) SP podcast will get reasonable analysis of the situation without the subjective arguments you see that go to the extremes on both sides on these boards, but if he just wants to dig in and be defensive rather than try to change his perspective even a little bit, oh well. (that's not even to mention the pot calling the kettle black in this case, too)
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