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Post by incandenza on Sept 1, 2022 22:45:15 GMT -5
This is your bullpen Chaim Bloom. Witness the awfulness. On the plus side, save for a few guys, they are remarkably consistent. I'd really rather not make every gameday thread a referendum on Bloom. But if we were to play that game... how 'bout Arroyo and Refsnyder, eh?
I've been slow to warm on both these guys, but Arroyo's leapt to another level with the xwOBA this season and with the way he smokes the ball it looks pretty legit. That fangraphs article on Refsnyder is pretty persuasive that he can sustain some of his improvements as well. (If Refsnyder were doing this with the Yankees, it would be SO typical and I would be SO pissed. But he's doing it for us!)
Both of these guys are the kind that make the difference between a team with a lot of talent and a really good team.
That's, uh, not the 2022 Red Sox I'm talking about. But 2023...?
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Post by cheers on Sept 1, 2022 22:51:28 GMT -5
I've been slow to warm on both these guys, but Arroyo's leapt to another level with the xwOBA this season and with the way he smokes the ball it looks pretty legit. That fangraphs article on Refsnyder is pretty persuasive that he can sustain some of his improvements as well. (If Refsnyder were doing this with the Yankees, it would be SO typical and I would be SO pissed. But he's doing it for us!) Both of these guys are the kind that make the difference between a team with a lot of talent and a really good team. That's, uh, not the 2022 Red Sox I'm talking about. But 2023...?
This. I'm not saying either Arroyo or Refsnyder should be guys we are looking to get 130 games out of, but they both seem super valuable for 90. Teams need glue. These guys seem like good glue.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 2, 2022 0:08:10 GMT -5
The middeling Red Sox. They don't buy, they don't sell, they don't win, but they won't lose enough games to get a decent pick.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Sept 2, 2022 1:50:20 GMT -5
This was a great win to start off the labor day series. The thing is it's labor day weekend, you've got beautiful weather, the rangers in town..... And Fenway will have lots of empty seats, because of how the teams played and their record. Even John "buy a soccer distraction" Henry has to take notice. This team should be in a pennant race, they had the money, they had the opportunity off of last year, but they wanted to be Tampa North. This is unacceptable in this town! This ownership and Chaim need to go into this off-season and buy stars, not middling players, not leaving holes in RF and first base and not a waiver wire bullpen. This team is a cash cow, a baseballtown heavy weight, there's no excuse for AAAA players at multiple positions.
What a waist to have a great stadium, a solid manager and a hungry fanbase and be in last place. At seasons end it'll be time to throw out the "Plan" or the "process" we're supposed to trust and get serious.
Sorry about the rant, but this nice comeback win reminds me how much I want relevant baseball into October.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 2, 2022 5:05:55 GMT -5
The middeling Red Sox. They don't buy, they don't sell, they don't win, but they won't lose enough games to get a decent pick. Great/Terrible win!!!!!
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 2, 2022 6:26:53 GMT -5
This was a Sorry about the rant, but this nice comeback win reminds me how much I want relevant baseball into October. The Sox are playing meaningful baseball in September. That's a start. And they're over the Luxury Tax threshold. Which means they spent too much.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 2, 2022 6:28:37 GMT -5
This was just game one of an epic 14 game winning streak that is about to embark us on the greatest comeback/underdog story that MLB has ever seen.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 2, 2022 6:38:50 GMT -5
This was just game one of an epic 14 game winning streak that is about to embark us on the greatest comeback/underdog story that MLB has ever seen. You never know. It worked for the Rockies back in 07.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 2, 2022 6:42:54 GMT -5
This was just game one of an epic 14 game winning streak that is about to embark us on the greatest comeback/underdog story that MLB has ever seen. You never know. It worked for the Rockies back in 07. It's going to be a reverse 2011. You heard it here first folks.
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 2, 2022 7:02:00 GMT -5
A little Morgan magic?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 2, 2022 7:32:11 GMT -5
It's one game, folks. Texas is not a good team. Hoping for a win streak, but...we don't play Texas forever.
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Post by nomar on Sept 2, 2022 7:34:21 GMT -5
Wow I turned it off down 8-3. My friend is a Rangers fan and we always bet $20 a game when they play each other.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 2, 2022 7:54:25 GMT -5
Great win! Take the next three and they're back in the hunt!
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Post by Guidas on Sept 2, 2022 8:02:35 GMT -5
This is your bullpen Chaim Bloom. Witness the awfulness. On the plus side, save for a few guys, they are remarkably consistent. I'd really rather not make every gameday thread a referendum on Bloom. But if we were to play that game... how 'bout Arroyo and Refsnyder, eh? I've been slow to warm on both these guys, but Arroyo's leapt to another level with the xwOBA this season and with the way he smokes the ball it looks pretty legit. That fangraphs article on Refsnyder is pretty persuasive that he can sustain some of his improvements as well. (If Refsnyder were doing this with the Yankees, it would be SO typical and I would be SO pissed. But he's doing it for us!) Both of these guys are the kind that make the difference between a team with a lot of talent and a really good team. That's, uh, not the 2022 Red Sox I'm talking about. But 2023...?
I think I made the comment in the the Twins or Rays series thread that Arroyo is one of his best pick-ups and if he could stay healthy for an entire year, he would be an All Star. Refsnyder has been a useful piece, but he feels more like lightning in a bottle. I'll take it while it lasts. I would just love 7-8-9th inning guys who are reasonably reliable. I've long been a proponent of a two-headed closer so you don't have to punt after back-to-back wins/heavy bullpen use. I also don't know why the introduction to MLB through a season or half-season in the pen of rising star minor league starters. It seems like few if any teams do this anymore, but I think it should be revisited. I know pens are mercurial, but this year seems to be a lesson in too much spaghetti throwing or people being too smart with the peripherals (Braiser, Sawamura, Davis, Diekman) and not what the results are saying.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 2, 2022 8:09:36 GMT -5
This was a Sorry about the rant, but this nice comeback win reminds me how much I want relevant baseball into October. The Sox are playing meaningful baseball in September. That's a start. And they're over the Luxury Tax threshold. Which means they spent too much. Please stop with this “meaningful baseball in September” angle. It’s absurd. This is a last place, sub.500 team that hasn’t played a “meaningful game” in months. There has essentially been nothing noteworthy or positive about this season at all. Devers, Bogaerts and JDM all underachieved. None of their minor league talent took a significant step forward. Guys like Duran and Dalbec(who once had many of us excited) look to be completely expendable. The starting pitching was weak. The bullpen was awful. The manager couldn’t get it right all year. It’s almost inconceivable that this team was in the ALCS last year. There are 30 games left. There are 6(!!) teams ahead of them for postseason slots. Assuming the Sox suddenly get hot and go 20-10 down the stretch, they STILL only finish with 84 wins. This is why their playoff odds are <1%.
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Post by cdj on Sept 2, 2022 8:11:47 GMT -5
The Mr. Hyde version of Barnes + Schreiber + Whitlock ain’t bad for 7/8/9
The problem is that Cora is gonna kill Schreiber the same way he killed Barnes
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 2, 2022 8:27:10 GMT -5
The Sox are playing meaningful baseball in September. That's a start. And they're over the Luxury Tax threshold. Which means they spent too much. Please stop with this “meaningful baseball in September” angle. It’s absurd. This is a last place, sub.500 team that hasn’t played a “meaningful game” in months. There has essentially been nothing noteworthy or positive about this season at all. Devers, Bogaerts and JDM all underachieved. None of their minor league talent took a significant step forward. Guys like Duran and Dalbec(who once had many of us excited) look to be completely expendable. The starting pitching was weak. The bullpen was awful. The manager couldn’t get it right all year. It’s almost inconceivable that this team was in the ALCS last year. There are 30 games left. There are 6(!!) teams ahead of them for postseason slots. Assuming the Sox suddenly get hot and go 20-10 down the stretch, they STILL only finish with 84 wins. This is why their playoff odds are <1%. Say what you want about how this season has gone for the major league squad which yes I'll agree is a disappointment. However it's extremely false in my mind to say that "none of the minor league talent has taken a significant step forward". I honestly couldn't disagree more with that statement. They've had a number of guys take very solid steps forward.
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Post by manfred on Sept 2, 2022 10:13:36 GMT -5
Please stop with this “meaningful baseball in September” angle. It’s absurd. This is a last place, sub.500 team that hasn’t played a “meaningful game” in months. There has essentially been nothing noteworthy or positive about this season at all. Devers, Bogaerts and JDM all underachieved. None of their minor league talent took a significant step forward. Guys like Duran and Dalbec(who once had many of us excited) look to be completely expendable. The starting pitching was weak. The bullpen was awful. The manager couldn’t get it right all year. It’s almost inconceivable that this team was in the ALCS last year. There are 30 games left. There are 6(!!) teams ahead of them for postseason slots. Assuming the Sox suddenly get hot and go 20-10 down the stretch, they STILL only finish with 84 wins. This is why their playoff odds are <1%. Say what you want about how this season has gone for the major league squad which yes I'll agree is a disappointment. However it's extremely false in my mind to say that "none of the minor league talent has taken a significant step forward". I honestly couldn't disagree more with that statement. They've had a number of guys take very solid steps forward. I think in the long run Crawford and Bello could be the bright side to a dumpy year. Bello especially.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 2, 2022 11:06:14 GMT -5
Please stop with this “meaningful baseball in September” angle. It’s absurd. This is a last place, sub.500 team that hasn’t played a “meaningful game” in months. There has essentially been nothing noteworthy or positive about this season at all. Devers, Bogaerts and JDM all underachieved. None of their minor league talent took a significant step forward. Guys like Duran and Dalbec(who once had many of us excited) look to be completely expendable. The starting pitching was weak. The bullpen was awful. The manager couldn’t get it right all year. It’s almost inconceivable that this team was in the ALCS last year. There are 30 games left. There are 6(!!) teams ahead of them for postseason slots. Assuming the Sox suddenly get hot and go 20-10 down the stretch, they STILL only finish with 84 wins. This is why their playoff odds are <1%. Say what you want about how this season has gone for the major league squad which yes I'll agree is a disappointment. However it's extremely false in my mind to say that "none of the minor league talent has taken a significant step forward". I honestly couldn't disagree more with that statement. They've had a number of guys take very solid steps forward. I’m not talking about guys in A or AA ball. I’m talking about the Major League squad. I am sure there are plenty of success stories down on the farm, but I’m less engaged with that world.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 2, 2022 11:13:06 GMT -5
Say what you want about how this season has gone for the major league squad which yes I'll agree is a disappointment. However it's extremely false in my mind to say that "none of the minor league talent has taken a significant step forward". I honestly couldn't disagree more with that statement. They've had a number of guys take very solid steps forward. I think in the long run Crawford and Bello could be the bright side to a dumpy year. Bello especially. Bello looks to have good stuff, for sure, but he’s clearly not ready. It’s a shame they had to bring him up and start his service time clock prematurely. He’s allowed 56 baserunners in 26 innings and he simply doesn’t throw enough strikes. He might be good down the road, but I’m not sure he was really a “bright spot” this year.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 2, 2022 11:17:37 GMT -5
If Bello makes one dominant start by the end of the year it will be a bright spot.
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Post by manfred on Sept 2, 2022 11:21:33 GMT -5
I think in the long run Crawford and Bello could be the bright side to a dumpy year. Bello especially. Bello looks to have good stuff, for sure, but he’s clearly not ready. It’s a shame they had to bring him up and start his service time clock prematurely. He’s allowed 56 baserunners in 26 innings and he simply doesn’t throw enough strikes. He might be good down the road, but I’m not sure he was really a “bright spot” this year. I mean the experience he gets, and, one hopes, the growth he exhibits. Yeah, he was rushed, but I hope it leads to adjustments that nake him even better down the road.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 2, 2022 11:29:27 GMT -5
Great win! Take the next three and they're back in the hunt! The MFY have been bad since the all star break. I would not be surprised to see TB pass the MFY chokers. Arroyo should be at DH when he is not at 2B.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 2, 2022 11:41:37 GMT -5
Great win! Take the next three and they're back in the hunt! The MFY have been bad since the all star break. I would not be surprised to see TB pass the MFY chokers. Arroyo should be at DH when he is not at 2B. 0 chance Cora benches JD
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 2, 2022 12:00:40 GMT -5
We’re 9 behind Toronto in loss column. 30 games left. We aren’t even going to finish.500. It’s ovah!!
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