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2023 International Signing Period
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Post by stevedillard on Dec 11, 2023 14:51:05 GMT -5
The Sox scouts were unimpressed by his Knuckleball, so in desperation of going unsigned, he learned a fastball.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 11, 2023 15:59:08 GMT -5
Charlie Zink's only MLB game is on Youtube. The Red Sox won 19-17. Is that maybe the most runs a team ever gave up in a win? No, the Phillies gave up 22 runs in a 23-22 win at Wrigley in 1979. Many years earlier I think the Cubs beat the Phils 26-23 or something like that, but am too lazy to look it up.
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Post by geostorm on Dec 11, 2023 20:17:28 GMT -5
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Post by sittingstill on Dec 11, 2023 21:55:37 GMT -5
Charlie Zink's only MLB game is on Youtube. The Red Sox won 19-17. Is that maybe the most runs a team ever gave up in a win? It was definitely the most exhausting win I've ever seen at Fenway. So excited for Zink (and maybe a little anxious). He got through the top of the first clean--and the Red Sox put up 10 in the bottom half (Ortiz hit two 3-run home runs in the half inning). Couple of runs on each side over the next few and Charlie started the 5th up 12-2. Then the wheels came off. Pulled with 1 out after 4 runs in, leaving two runners, Lopez added a run and an out, Aardsma came in and gave up a 3-run jack on his third pitch, and I left about two grand worth of cameras under my seat and went down to the concourse for a beer. Ugly back-and-forth scoring from there (though Okajima was unscathed). I still think I'm going to wake up and say "I shouldn't listen to the podcast before bed, I dreamed the Sox signed a guy from Curaçao named Charlie Zink."
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 2, 2024 21:56:04 GMT -5
Final tally is in: www.soxprospects.com/international.htmBates got $200k and Zink got $70k, as they wound up coming in just $219,500 under their cap, for those who were freaking out about that.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jan 2, 2024 22:39:11 GMT -5
Final tally is in: www.soxprospects.com/international.htmBates got $200k and Zink got $70k, as they wound up coming in just $219,500 under their cap, for those who were freaking out about that. Hate leaving money like that on the table, but it makes me think Tony Ruiz backing out wasn't expected and really changed their plan. FWIW, the $200k player would be our fifth highest signing.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 2, 2024 22:51:12 GMT -5
Final tally:
56 players total
1 from each of South Korea, Australia, Curacao, Bahamas, Netherlands, Cuba 2 from Mexico 20 from Venezuela 28 from the Dominican Republic
12 SS 5 OF 5 C 31 RHP 3 LHP
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 2, 2024 22:53:50 GMT -5
Final tally is in: www.soxprospects.com/international.htmBates got $200k and Zink got $70k, as they wound up coming in just $219,500 under their cap, for those who were freaking out about that. Hate leaving money like that on the table, but it makes me think Tony Ruiz backing out wasn't expected and really changed their plan. FWIW, the $200k player would be our fifth highest signing. They moved on from Ruiz when he got hurt. Broken leg I think? I mean, it's a $4.6m+ pool. $200k is whatever money at that point. I get your point but when they spend extremely close to their limit most years, and they got 56 guys this year, I'm not sure it's worth worrying about. I doubt they didn't sign a guy because of $200k that they thought he was worth.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 2, 2024 23:06:07 GMT -5
The Red Sox added a grab bag of mystery box pitchers, Tony Ruiz still got his money, and after striking out 36% of the time against DSL pitching it's not very likely that we'll be thinking of him as the one that got away. Don't think there's much to complain about.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jan 2, 2024 23:34:23 GMT -5
Hate leaving money like that on the table, but it makes me think Tony Ruiz backing out wasn't expected and really changed their plan. FWIW, the $200k player would be our fifth highest signing. They moved on from Ruiz when he got hurt. Broken leg I think? I mean, it's a $4.6m+ pool. $200k is whatever money at that point. I get your point but when they spend extremely close to their limit most years, and they got 56 guys this year, I'm not sure it's worth worrying about. I doubt they didn't sign a guy because of $200k that they thought he was worth. I know its not a huge deal, but I just see it as an odd move for an organization that tries to maximize value whenever possible. The $220k left on the table is close to the $250k bonus pool money that could have been traded and I'd like to think $250k bonus pool money held at least some value in a trade this offseason, even if all you are acquiring is another fringy lottery ticket. I also don't know if Zink/Bates were going to refuse to sign for less than $70k and $200k respectively, but there seems to have been a few avenues for the Sox to clear up the $30k required to create the $250k slot money to deal. with the post Oct signings.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jan 2, 2024 23:39:14 GMT -5
The Red Sox added a grab bag of mystery box pitchers, Tony Ruiz still got his money, and after striking out 36% of the time against DSL pitching it's not very likely that we'll be thinking of him as the one that got away. Don't think there's much to complain about. Backing out of the Ruiz deal may have been the right move, but it did seem to throw a wrench in their international spending plans thereafter.
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Post by stevedillard on Jan 3, 2024 8:56:00 GMT -5
The Red Sox added a grab bag of mystery box pitchers, Tony Ruiz still got his money, and after striking out 36% of the time against DSL pitching it's not very likely that we'll be thinking of him as the one that got away. Don't think there's much to complain about. Backing out of the Ruiz deal may have been the right move, but it did seem to throw a wrench in their international spending plans thereafter. Yes, not sure what the "freaking out" comment was meant to convey. I think we can all agree that walking away last minute from a $1.2 mill deal was less than optimal. Trying to justify it as "only" leaving $200K on the table also seems to ignore that not being able to spend the whole amount is an indication that they had no firm backup plan. It also may suggest that they were willing to overpay on the remaining bonuses because they could (thinking of Bates), making the $200K a more wobbly number. So, yes, they were able to spend close to the whole $1.2, and if that's your metric, then there was no reason for anyone to freak out. But, on a scale of really low-hit rates, where the Sox already use a "volume" approach to spread out the risk, I would still bet on Ruiz over the "last minute fillers" Lee/Bates/guys signed mid-to-late summer that ate up $850-900K of his bonus.
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Post by 0ap0 on Jan 3, 2024 9:08:56 GMT -5
Eh. Failing to spend $200k > spending $1.2M on someone who wasn't going to pan out.
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Post by tjb21 on Jan 3, 2024 10:28:14 GMT -5
Eh. Failing to spend $200k > spending $1.2M on someone who wasn't going to pan out. Well said.
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Post by badfishnbc on Jan 3, 2024 10:43:35 GMT -5
Hate leaving money like that on the table, but it makes me think Tony Ruiz backing out wasn't expected and really changed their plan. FWIW, the $200k player would be our fifth highest signing. They moved on from Ruiz when he got hurt. Broken leg I think? I mean, it's a $4.6m+ pool. $200k is whatever money at that point. I get your point but when they spend extremely close to their limit most years, and they got 56 guys this year, I'm not sure it's worth worrying about. I doubt they didn't sign a guy because of $200k that they thought he was worth. Had not read about the broken leg (probably should be a more regular podcast listener, if it was discussed there!) I wonder if the leg was broken during some reckless behavior that raised red flags? Otherwise, a broken bone heals, and if they really thought that highly of him, you'd think they'd be ok with waiting it out if it was an fluke injury.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 3, 2024 10:51:47 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 3, 2024 11:03:45 GMT -5
When you take into account that most of the players in the class have verbal agreements for 2-3 years ahead of time the fact they were able to spread 1 million around late in the process is pretty good.
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