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Post by Guidas on Nov 14, 2022 9:47:56 GMT -5
So, there's been a lot of talk about trades coming, which makes sense—it's part of the function of building up a farm. Of course, every player is ultimately tradable, but there are a few that every GM wants to hold onto because they believe they will become MLB All Stars/High Impact Players.
Given all that, who are the top two prospects you want to hold onto—your theoretical "untouchables"? For me, it's:
Marcelo Mayer Ceddanne Rafaela
I did try to make a case for Bleis in my mind, but he's just too far away.
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Post by manfred on Nov 14, 2022 9:51:06 GMT -5
Bello Mata
The Sox must develop front line arms because they are otherwise so costly to acquire.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 14, 2022 9:56:13 GMT -5
Even though I said in a previous post I would deal Casas in the right deal I'd say to me it's Casas and Bello.
They both are already in the majors so perhaps that is cheating a bit but Bello to me showed he was capable of being at least a back of the rotation arm with upside for much more and Casas to me showed the ability to work counts and be an ML caliber bat. Since both are already providing value to the ML squad at minimum salaries that is extremely valuable in my mind. All the other prospects could flame out next year and leave us wondering what happened there?
I guess I would also add, I don't think anyone should be "untouchable". If you can trade Bello for a cost controlled ace right now and Casas for a 3+ WAR cost controlled player you probably should do it but those are my two picks for the fun of this exercise.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 14, 2022 9:56:18 GMT -5
Bello Mata The Sox must develop front line arms because they are otherwise so costly to acquire. I think Bello has graduated from prospect status or he'd been my #1 over Mayer.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 14, 2022 9:57:52 GMT -5
Bello and Mayer, followed by Bleis
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Post by manfred on Nov 14, 2022 10:24:16 GMT -5
Bello Mata The Sox must develop front line arms because they are otherwise so costly to acquire. I think Bello has graduated from prospect status or he'd been my #1 over Mayer. I figured, but I still count him broadly. If not Bello, then I guessMata and Mayer.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Nov 14, 2022 10:48:28 GMT -5
For me it is Mayer and Bello, with Bleis almost there but not quite just because of how young he is. SS and SP are in such demand now when you look at the money some of these guys are commanding that I don't see how you can let either of those 2 guys go. Even if Mayer's hit tool doesn't develop to what people think, with his defense I think a not-crazy floor to put on him would be a left handed version of Dansby Swanson - plus defender with a league average bat. And Dansby Swanson is about to get around $150 million at age 29. The same goes for Bello to me - even mid rotation guys are getting $15-20 million/year. Neither Mayer nor Bello need to reach their ceilings for them to have enormous impacts on your team. And if they do reach their ceiling they can be franchise altering.
I don't think Casas or Rafaela should be untouchable though. Both are great and I would prefer Bloom hold onto them, but 1B limits Casas' ceiling and there are enough questions around Rafaela's bat that I wouldn't mind dealing either of them if the return was good.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 14, 2022 11:03:56 GMT -5
I think the only *truly* untouchable prospect for me is Mayer (though Bello would be too). I guess I could imagine giving him up for Tatis or Wander Franco, but that's about it.
If I have to put a second guy on the list, though, it's probably Casas. I just don't see where else that kind of hitter is going to come from in the system - one with great discipline and a solid hit tool. Not exactly easy to scoop up in free agency either. And the Red Sox need that kind of hitter SO desperately.
Rafaela is exciting, but the walk rate concerns me and I think he's pretty far from showing that he's a lock to hit well at the major league level.
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Post by chr31ter on Nov 14, 2022 11:32:56 GMT -5
The Red Sox desperately need significant production from young, controllable players.
I wouldn't trade anyone who has a chance to give them that over the next two years - Casas, Bello, or Rafaela.
And I also wouldn't trade the high upside kids in their low minors. In my mind, that's Mayer, Yorke, Romero, and Bleis.
And yes, I realize that this means they'll miss out on a lot of trade targets this winter.
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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 14, 2022 11:37:20 GMT -5
This is tough Mayer def. Bello doesn’t count because I consider him in the rotation next year. I wish we had another Bello. I’m 50/50 between Bleis and Rafaela.
I wish we could of got a look at Mata in Boston. That means more to me. Good pitching developed in your system should be treated like gold.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 14, 2022 11:47:43 GMT -5
Casas because he looks like a goofball that will be fun to root for Rafaela because I think he's probably undervalued around the league
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 14, 2022 12:12:02 GMT -5
I was just thinking about this while listening to the pod... great minds...
You're basically asking who should be the top two ranked prospects in the system, because what is a prospect ranking if not an assessment of trade value?
The answer is Bleis and Mayer. Casas is limited by position, Rafaela is in AA and still has approach questions, Mata is a reliever in the long run, Bello is graduating; after that there's a bit of a drop off to Romero, Yorke and then it falls farther and steeper.
Bleis's upside is so high you can't trade him this early unless he's the main piece in an Ohtani deal, with Ohtani already signed long-term. Mayer's ceiling isn't quite that high but his floor is much higher. He's as close to can't-miss as we've had in a long time.
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Post by badfishnbc on Nov 14, 2022 12:14:53 GMT -5
Mayer and Blaze. Say what you will about the latter but he's still soooo young and I really think he's on the path to becoming something hella special.
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Post by cdj on Nov 14, 2022 12:23:54 GMT -5
Mayer Bello
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Post by redsox3in10 on Nov 14, 2022 12:25:40 GMT -5
Mayer and Casas.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 14, 2022 13:16:38 GMT -5
The Red Sox desperately need significant production from young, controllable players. I wouldn't trade anyone who has a chance to give them that over the next two years - Casas, Bello, or Rafaela. And I also wouldn't trade the high upside kids in their low minors. In my mind, that's Mayer, Yorke, Romero, and Bleis. And yes, I realize that this means they'll miss out on a lot of trade targets this winter. Agreed. The trade Casas because Hosmer is around makes no sense to me. Casas is the answer to their 1b issues. Mayer should be untouchable. Bello should be near untouchable. Bleis might be the most talented guy in the system, one that's short on outfielders. Hang onto him. I think they should hold onto Rafaela and Yorke unless blown away. They need to keep their young talent. spend money to improve the team. They need the influx of cheap young talent coming in over the next few years.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Nov 14, 2022 13:23:59 GMT -5
Listening to Ian talk about Bleis last podcast makes the answer very easy it’s Bleis and Mayer
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Post by kwodes on Nov 14, 2022 13:27:10 GMT -5
I'll preface this with the concept of "untouchable" shouldn't exist. If someone were to offer 2 Marcelo Mayers for Marcelo Mayer we would accept that every time. For the sake of this topic...
Bleis, Mayer, Bello would be my prospects that would have to be an enormous return.
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Post by nomar on Nov 14, 2022 13:28:00 GMT -5
Not too into the idea of trading any big prospect right now, but I certainly wouldn’t call Rafaela untouchable. It depends on the org’s actual view of him. If they think he can be an average or better hitter, you probably have to be blown away. But if they see more of a Victor Robles type of outcome as more likely, then he would make sense to sell now after a breakout season.
Picking 2 is hard. I’ll say Mayer and Bello, but it makes little to no sense to trade Casas either, and Bleis is the type of lottery ticket you hold onto. His upside far surpasses his current trade value.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 14, 2022 14:14:51 GMT -5
Mayer, Bleis, Bello can not be traded.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Nov 14, 2022 14:18:56 GMT -5
Mayer, Bleis, Bello.
Wait you can only pick two! Fine!
Bello and Mayer, no wait, Mayer and Bleis, no wait, Bello and Bleis. Ughh I will settle on Mayer and Bleis.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2022 14:27:20 GMT -5
Bleis and... can I cheat and say Whitlock?
Mayer's untouchability for me depends on what the Sox do at short. If they give Correa $300 mil, I'm open to trading him in the right deal (i.e. Beckett/Lowell for Hanley)
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Post by soxaddict on Nov 14, 2022 14:29:52 GMT -5
I’ll go with Mayer and Casas since Bello is no longer listed here. I’d be sick if any of Bleis, Rafaela, Yorke or Perales was dealt.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 14, 2022 14:48:18 GMT -5
What y'all said above! 😄
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Post by keninten on Nov 14, 2022 14:54:33 GMT -5
Mayer and Bleis. Wish this had a poll. Mayer looks most untouchable so far.
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