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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Dec 3, 2022 17:39:46 GMT -5
At what point would it be better to just pay Nimmo and give up a 2nd and the $1M of international money? Nimmo would cost much more over the next three seasons. The difference might be enough to pay for a RH bat. In terms of prospect cost, if the Pirates ask for both Mayer and Cassas or for Mata ,Walter or Bello, then I'd move on to trying to sign Nimmo.
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Post by cdj on Dec 3, 2022 17:42:05 GMT -5
I will say- I do like that he’s a switch hitter that hits RHP and LHP pretty much equally well
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 3, 2022 17:42:15 GMT -5
Nimmo - 2nd round pick - 5th round pick - $1 million in international money vs Reynolds + Eovaldi - Casas
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Post by Jimmy on Dec 3, 2022 17:45:26 GMT -5
I think the Pirates would say no but I would do Casas, Mata, and Duran for Reynolds and Bednar.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 3, 2022 17:46:58 GMT -5
The player is excellent, and if the Sox are trying to contend, he's a good place to start. If they are looking to contend more in 2025, they're better off letting another team acquire him.
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Post by bosoxkc on Dec 3, 2022 17:50:37 GMT -5
Yorke, Paulino, Murphy, Winkowski, Bonaci, Dalbec, Jimenez
Would this get it done?
Alternatively
Houck, Murphy, Dalbec, Yorke?
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Post by incandenza on Dec 3, 2022 17:50:47 GMT -5
The player is excellent, and if the Sox are trying to contend, he's a good place to start. If they are looking to contend more in 2025, they're better off letting another team acquire him. If only there were some way to know...
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Post by Jimmy on Dec 3, 2022 17:55:55 GMT -5
Yorke, Paulino, Murphy, Winkowski, Bonaci, Dalbec, Jimenez Would this get it done? Alternatively Houck, Murphy, Dalbec, Yorke? I don’t think either of these gets it done
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Dec 3, 2022 18:10:05 GMT -5
If one of Casas, Bello or Mayer isn't headlining a deal then no way a grab bag of 45-40 players is getting it done. The Yankees, Dodgers, Mets and drunk on power Rangers easily would put together better deals.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 3, 2022 18:11:03 GMT -5
I'm actually having trouble forming an opinion about Reynolds. One thing I'd like to know before trading the farm for him is why his xwOBA plummeted to .329 in 2022 from .386 in 2021. He's been pretty uneven in his career overall so far.
That's not to overstate it - the downside is that he's a good player, rather than a great player. But is his cost going to be commensurate with goodness or with greatness?
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 3, 2022 18:20:52 GMT -5
If the Pirates respect his request, then I really hope the Sox are willing to get this done. Try to have Bednar added to the deal and as I suggested in the trade proposal sub forum, offer Cassas/ Mayer ( assuming we sign a SS), Raffaella and Tanner Houk. Reynolds as leadoff hitter, significant outfield upgrade and 3 years of cost control. Bednar to stregthen the pen even further with proven closer to compete with Barnes and Martin for top dog. Reynolds is exactly the type of roster improvement the Sox need to make and yes the cost will be high. I'm sorry but that's an insane package for a merely good OF and a bullpen arm. No thank you.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 3, 2022 19:17:54 GMT -5
I'm actually having trouble forming an opinion about Reynolds. One thing I'd like to know before trading the farm for him is why his xwOBA plummeted to .329 in 2022 from .386 in 2021. He's been pretty uneven in his career overall so far.
That's not to overstate it - the downside is that he's a good player, rather than a great player. But is his cost going to be commensurate with goodness or with greatness?
Tons and tons of players saw their xwOBA drop in 2022. I personally don't put a ton of stock into it, something was clearly up with the ball last year.
Re: Reynolds, I am on the fence. He is good, but he will be very expensive. The Red Sox aren't getting him without sending away one of Casas or Mayer and you will have to throw in another legitimate prospect or two. He's a top 10 outfielder in baseball. If Bloom thinks the 2023 team and Reynolds are worth the price, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But I also wouldn't blame him for sitting out of that sweepstakes.
I am just really hoping the Bloom gets creative and decides to be bold somewhere. If all they do is bring back Xander and Eovaldi, and maybe sign Mitch Haniger, this is a .500 team. And if they don't bring back Xander or replace him with one of the premier SS on the market, they are likely the worst team in the division. Bloom needs to figure out what team he is trying to put together. If he thinks the 2023 team can compete, then go big. Trade for Reynolds or sign Judge/Nimmo and bring back Xander. But if he isn't willing to part with any prospects or give out big money to get premier talent, then you might as well just trade Devers to get prospects that are closer in age to Casas/Bello/Rafaela/Mayer, so they all hit their prime at the same time. But I do not want to see them keep Devers and then finish in last place again.
The only problem I have had with Bloom is he just refuses to commit to a direction. He has done a sort-of rebuild, but also sort of tried to compete, and imo that is the worst of both worlds. Either compete, and be aggressive doing so, or just rip the band-off.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 3, 2022 19:38:10 GMT -5
I'm not in on including Casas in a Reynolds package and not including him means it probably doesn't get done. Reynolds was 2.9 B-Ref in 2022. I'll be disappointed if Casas doesn't put up a better season than that in 2023 and he'll be playing for $6M less and has three more years of control than Reynolds does.
I'll grant you that I am extremely high on Casas. I love the discipline and see the potential for a big-time OBP/Slug% combo.
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Post by bosox904 on Dec 3, 2022 21:07:18 GMT -5
Just to remind everyone, supposedly the Pirates asked for Julio Rodriguez and another minor leaguer from Seattle. Mayer would absolutely have to be in the deal, but I think they're serious when they say they won't trade him unless they get a ridiculous trade offer
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Post by bosoxkc on Dec 3, 2022 22:00:20 GMT -5
Odds on Wiemer, Mitchell or, Frelick from MIL or AZ OF?
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Post by nomar on Dec 3, 2022 22:59:46 GMT -5
Just to remind everyone, supposedly the Pirates asked for Julio Rodriguez and another minor leaguer from Seattle. Mayer would absolutely have to be in the deal, but I think they're serious when they say they won't trade him unless they get a ridiculous trade offer If they are asking for that then it’s as if nothing happened. Rodriguez is better at baseball and under more control. All they ever do is sell. They have no leverage. If anything I think people are overrating the return the pirates will get. If they ask for too much, a trade won’t happen. The one plus for the Pirates right now is that they might have the classic Yankees vs Red Sox battle for him.
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 3, 2022 23:41:28 GMT -5
Maybe Bloom can eat a contract from the Pirates to lower the asking price. I don’t know much about this kid so I’ll leave it to others.
I just have a positive feeling about the farm system. This season ginally the real kids are gonna start popping. Once they all get to AA it’s just a matter of short time.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Dec 3, 2022 23:46:02 GMT -5
Maybe Bloom can eat a contract from the Pirates to lower the asking price. I don’t know much about this kid so I’ll leave it to others. I just have a positive feeling about the farm system. This season ginally the real kids are gonna start popping. Once they all get to AA it’s just a matter of short time. Or, flip side, if you have to give up a high level package you ask for a guy like Bednar too. Plenty of ways to be creative here
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Post by bosoxnation on Dec 4, 2022 0:04:03 GMT -5
If we are going to sign X for long term i love Mikey so i’d trade Mayer for Reynolds. An all star ML for a what if minor league all day every day. Especially with 3 years of control. That lets us spend money on X/Devers and pitching and fast tracks us to contenders sooner rather then later.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 4, 2022 0:06:00 GMT -5
Maybe Bloom can eat a contract from the Pirates to lower the asking price. I don’t know much about this kid so I’ll leave it to others. I just have a positive feeling about the farm system. This season ginally the real kids are gonna start popping. Once they all get to AA it’s just a matter of short time. Lol, what contact? Ke'Bryan's or the Santana deal that was just signed a couple days ago
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 4, 2022 0:16:36 GMT -5
If we are going to sign X for long term i love Mikey so i’d trade Mayer for Reynolds. An all star ML for a what if minor league all day every day. Especially with 3 years of control. That lets us spend money on X/Devers and pitching and fast tracks us to contenders sooner rather then later. Why would signing X make Mayer expendable? X is lucky if he has 3 years left at SS and if he were extended for 7 years he certainly wouldn't be the SS for 7 years. The amount of life he has left at SS kind of lines up with Mayer's arrival. And if Mayer is comparable to a young Corey Seager I'd hate to trade 6 cost controlled years of that for 3 of Reynolds. He'll soon become a corner outfielder. I'll take 6 years of a star SS to 3 years of an all-star corner OF.
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 4, 2022 0:23:42 GMT -5
Maybe Bloom can eat a contract from the Pirates to lower the asking price. I don’t know much about this kid so I’ll leave it to others. I just have a positive feeling about the farm system. This season ginally the real kids are gonna start popping. Once they all get to AA it’s just a matter of short time. Lol, what contact? Ke'Bryan's or the Santana deal that was just signed a couple days ago Maybe it’s nothing to one person but you don’t know if the owner thinks player x needs to be moved, I heard he is a cheap owner. I didn’t go thru there roster.
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Post by soxaddict on Dec 4, 2022 0:29:56 GMT -5
Maybe Bloom can eat a contract from the Pirates to lower the asking price. I don’t know much about this kid so I’ll leave it to others. I just have a positive feeling about the farm system. This season ginally the real kids are gonna start popping. Once they all get to AA it’s just a matter of short time. Lol, what contact? Ke'Bryan's or the Santana deal that was just signed a couple days ago Yeah, Pitt doesn't have a bad contract to eat. Maybe get a third team involved.
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Post by coke0myfavdrink on Dec 4, 2022 1:47:08 GMT -5
Lol, what contact? Ke'Bryan's or the Santana deal that was just signed a couple days ago Yeah, Pitt doesn't have a bad contract to eat. Maybe get a third team involved. What if the Red Sox send another team a prospect for a bad contract and the send the return to Pittsburgh.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 4, 2022 12:32:05 GMT -5
If the Pirates respect his request, then I really hope the Sox are willing to get this done. Try to have Bednar added to the deal and as I suggested in the trade proposal sub forum, offer Cassas/ Mayer ( assuming we sign a SS), Raffaella and Tanner Houk. Reynolds as leadoff hitter, significant outfield upgrade and 3 years of cost control. Bednar to stregthen the pen even further with proven closer to compete with Barnes and Martin for top dog. Reynolds is exactly the type of roster improvement the Sox need to make and yes the cost will be high. I'm sorry but that's an insane package for a merely good OF and a bullpen arm. No thank you. Honestly, I'm not understanding the hype myself. He seems like a good, but not great player who is going to be 28 and had a really good age 26 season.
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