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nomar
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Post by nomar on Dec 8, 2022 0:42:58 GMT -5
Really don’t want Swanson
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Post by ortiz on Dec 8, 2022 0:43:05 GMT -5
Alex Speier @alexspeier According to a major league source, the Red Sox were “really far” from the Padres offer - and their offers were short of $200M. Just a huge gap in where the Padres went. Lol, Padres outbid the second place team by $100,000,000 I doubt the Red Sox were the second place team.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2022 0:49:38 GMT -5
Red Sox screwed around with him now he's gone. Last year didn't they offer 1 year for 30 million on his contract he had. Let's hope they don't do this to Devers but starting to look that way.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Dec 8, 2022 0:49:48 GMT -5
At least we get that 4th round comp pick
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Post by cutz on Dec 8, 2022 0:55:15 GMT -5
This sucks to lose Bogaerts, but 11 years is crazy.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 8, 2022 0:55:56 GMT -5
A bittersweet day. But I’ll join the chorus of voices that 11 years is absolutely nuts. Preller is a fiend.
That said, looks like it will be Correa or a stopgap in the hopes Mayer develops and is ready ~2025ish — basically anyone but Swanson, for the love of God.
Also of note, the chances of Tatis being traded went wayyyyy up. Preller clearly hates him with a passion.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 8, 2022 0:59:17 GMT -5
Bogaert's Situational Wins per 600 PA:
- 1.75 (cup of coffee) - 0.87
+1.12 +0.56 - 0.12 + 1.48 + 0.65
- 1.20 - 0.70 - 1.19
You've seen this. From 2015 to 2019 he was THE guy you wanted up with the game on the line.
The last 3 seasons he's struggled when it counted. You can see that he fared better the year we contended, so there may well be a psychological factor in 2020 (no crowds) and 2022. But it's really hard to explain 2021 (and the baseline it maybe sets) without wondering whether he started struggling (relatively) against the tough pitchers at the end of close games. That might well start a couple of years before what we saw last year, with the decline in xwOBA, which he compensated for by a real ability to get cheap hits.
Remember that I got a figure of $205 based on Turner. One pundit (Clemens, IIRC) had him at $215.
Meanwhile, I have no idea where they're even going to play him. Well, LF after four years, where he'll be league average.
I wanted Xander back as much for what he meant for the team as for his talent. No teammate is going to think they were let down by the F.O. in not keeping him in a Sox uni, so no harm done there. And I hope the fans and sportswriters will get it as well.
It's a lovely city, a beautiful park, the fans are great, and the team is dedicated to winning. I think it took all that AND the crazy amount of cash to land him. I can see Xander taking the extra $75M he just fell into and starting a charitable foundation with it. Impossible to turn that down.
Meanwhile, do they have enough offense to go after Swanson, or do they do the obvious and sign Correa? (And it has occured to me that the Padres are planning to trade Tatis Jr.). All of their Situational histories coming up.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 8, 2022 0:59:26 GMT -5
The contract is too long hood luck Xander wish you all the best 🫡🫡🫡👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
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Post by incandenza on Dec 8, 2022 0:59:53 GMT -5
I'm not the least bit upset the Red Sox didn't match this offer.
But I'm like 10x more upset about the dinky 4/90 offer from the spring. They had a chance to at least try to sign him before he could test the market and they didn't bother. It's maddening.
And Devers' price is surely going up by the day...
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Post by curtisw on Dec 8, 2022 1:00:30 GMT -5
Full no trade clause. If you’re going to go crazy like that you might as well throw it in there I guess, but just wild they buckled themselves in for 11 guaranteed years with no possible off ramps really. Undoubtedly they see themselves winning the series in the next few years or so.
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Post by pasadenasox on Dec 8, 2022 1:06:16 GMT -5
Preller won't be there in 11 years, so YOLO, I guess?
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 8, 2022 1:06:41 GMT -5
Red Sox screwed around with him now he's gone. Last year didn't they offer 1 year for 30 million on his contract he had. Let's hope they don't do this to Devers but starting to look that way. I'm going to assume you're naive about this, but Scott Boras is his agent and his clients always go to free agency to maximize their dollars. That's why they choose him for an agent.
If a Boras client gets an offer that literally everyone believes is an overpay (by about 40%!), from a team that is really good to play for, there's nothing you can do. At any point in time.
Devers does not have Boras as an agent.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 8, 2022 1:07:26 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Dec 8, 2022 1:08:45 GMT -5
So other than Devers, this closes the books on 2018’s lineup. It has yielded Verdugo, Wong, possibly a middle reliever, two guys from Houston, and a 4th round pick. Am I leaving anything out? The guys ffom Milwaukee?
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 8, 2022 1:09:12 GMT -5
It is funny how people keep calling deals overpays… maybe that just means people underestimated the market? Or that Preller has lost his mind. Or, most likely, both.
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Post by manfred on Dec 8, 2022 1:10:33 GMT -5
It is funny how people keep calling deals overpays… maybe that just means people underestimated the market? Or that Preller has lost his mind. Or, most likely, both. Both, it sounds like. If he beat the next bid by $100 mill, er, that’s not good. But it means X was getting more than $200 mill.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 8, 2022 1:12:21 GMT -5
Or that Preller has lost his mind. Or, most likely, both. Both, it sounds like. If he beat the next bid by $100 mill, er, that’s not good. But it means X was getting more than $200 mill. Nah. Preller lost his mind
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Post by bosoxnation on Dec 8, 2022 1:16:23 GMT -5
this deal hurts because we could of at least traded him at the deadline if we weren’t going to go all in on him day 1 of FA. with that being said i’m down to give correra 3 years 120 mill with opt outs after ever year. That way we can bridge the gap until Mayer/Mikey are ready.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 8, 2022 1:16:59 GMT -5
So is Bogaerts going to play LF or what
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Post by incandenza on Dec 8, 2022 1:19:26 GMT -5
So other than Devers, this closes the books on 2018âs lineup. It has yielded Verdugo, Wong, possibly a middle reliever, two guys from Houston, and a 4th round pick. Am I leaving anything out? The guys ffom Milwaukee? I don't know what this is even supposed to mean, but everyone who's gone would've become a free agent by now anyway. Heck, Bogaerts and Vazquez got extended before departing.
So what it has "yielded" is those replacements plus the money to sign Story, Kiké, Yoshida, and TBD.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2022 1:20:11 GMT -5
Well that totally sucks. Giving Boegarts 11 years is nuts. I'm not mad that they didnt give X 11 years and 280 million.
I'm pissed that they let it get to this point. It's because of that insulting moronic offer to extend him just one year after for an additional 30 million. Other players notice. I'm sure Devers noticed. Sure some of the Sox farmhands noticed that the Sox cheaped out on C when they could have given him perhaps a 7 year 200 million offer.
We'll never if he would have taken it but given that he gave the Sox the final crack at keeping him, he apparently wanted to stay.
Even at the end he gave the Sox a last chance. The Sox didnt even make it to 200 million.
The Giants offered Judge more than the Yankees but Judge chose the Yankees because they closed the gap and gave him an extra year. The Sox didnt bend as far.
This feels like the Jon Lester situation. Penny wise. Dollar foolish. At least they got something for Lester, unlike X
The Red Sox deserved to lose X. They set that in motion a long time ago.
So you get drafted by the Sox, perform well, be a model citizen, sign a team friendly extension where you're underpaid and then when you try to get a more equalized contract, they nickel and dime you. Wonder if Marcelo Mayer or Tristan Casas are taking notes. I'm sure Raffy Devers is.
If the Sox dick around with him, they'll lose him for practically nothing too.
The Sox misread the market badly. They should have traded X last August if they weren't going to make an extended offer.
I'm pissed because the Sox had a lot of assets from that 2018 team and converted them to much lower quantities. Downgrades all over the place. It shows in the standings.
Maybe they overspend for Dansby Swanson. They're not giving Correa 325 million. They dont want to pay huge market prices, but hey, the Sox can probably get a bargain on Jean Segura. Woohoo.
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 8, 2022 1:21:15 GMT -5
With Meyer on his way in 2 years or so, Bloom was right to stand against an eleven year contract. It seemed so promising when he closed out his face-to-face-to-face with X and Boras. Well Orsillo will be happy to see a familiar face.
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Post by bosoxnation on Dec 8, 2022 1:25:50 GMT -5
So other than Devers, this closes the books on 2018’s lineup. It has yielded Verdugo, Wong, possibly a middle reliever, two guys from Houston, and a 4th round pick. Am I leaving anything out? The guys ffom Milwaukee? All those players have names no need to disrespect prospects because they are not top 10. Verdugo is a starting OF. Wong deserves a chance at starting C. 1 of those guys from houston might be staying at 2nd base next year if Arroyo isn’t healthy. They are all $$$ saving moves. Do you give a 29 year old 5 year deal or 11 year deal. We took the 5 year deal option. We just need to keep drafting and developing and spending wisely in order to compete year after year.
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Post by juanpena on Dec 8, 2022 1:26:39 GMT -5
Red Sox screwed around with him now he's gone. Last year didn't they offer 1 year for 30 million on his contract he had. Let's hope they don't do this to Devers but starting to look that way. I'm going to assume you're naive about this, but Scott Boras is his agent and his clients always go to free agency to maximize their dollars. That's why they choose him for an agent.
If a Boras client gets an offer that literally everyone believes is an overpay (by about 40%!), from a team that is really good to play for, there's nothing you can do. At any point in time.
Devers does not have Boras as an agent.
Jered Weaver left a ton of money on the table by signing early. It's always the player's call. Maybe he wouldn't have signed, but he was NEVER going to sign that lowball offer.
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Post by bosoxnation on Dec 8, 2022 1:26:45 GMT -5
With Meyer on his way in 2 years or so, Bloom was right to stand against an eleven year contract. It seemed so promising when he closed out his face-to-face-to-face with X and Boras. Well Orsillo will be happy to see a familiar face. Don’t sleep on Mikey Romero. Dude might be better then Mayer.
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