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Post by grandsalami on Dec 8, 2022 1:50:51 GMT -5
Nah. Im not carrying water. And trade him? After the shitshow from the media after the mookie trade? So this is better??!! Instead of trading a superstar for 50 cents on the dollar, let him walk as a free agent during a useless season and get a stinking 4th round pick because they couldn't figure out a way to stay under the limit? Does it really hurt that bad to say they mismanaged the situation then? Umm. Yes. Because nobody in their right mind thought xander was getting the offer he got from SD. Again the SD front office offered close to a billion dollars in $$$ during the winter meetings. Seems like they would not get outbid for Bogaerts .
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 8, 2022 1:51:13 GMT -5
Nah. Im not carrying water. And trade him? After the shitshow from the media after the mookie trade? So this is better??!! Instead of trading a superstar for 50 cents on the dollar, let him walk as a free agent during a useless season and get a stinking 4th round pick because they couldn't figure out a way to stay under the limit? Does it really hurt that bad to say they mismanaged the situation then? Not trading him was not the mistake. They weren’t going to punt on the season and I don’t think they should have. 6/160 was a fair offer too. The mistake was not making it before the season.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 8, 2022 1:52:55 GMT -5
Nah. Im not carrying water. And trade him? After the shitshow from the media after the mookie trade? So this is better??!! Instead of trading a superstar for 50 cents on the dollar, let him walk as a free agent during a useless season and get a stinking 4th round pick because they couldn't figure out a way to stay under the limit? Does it really hurt that bad to say they mismanaged the situation then? For all of you who care about The Optics... Yes, The Optics would have been worse in the scenario where they trade him at the deadline and then don't re-sign him as a free agent. That's the exact Lester scenario that we still haven't heard the end of 8 years later. As it is, they at least made a vigorous effort to keep him and no one reasonable is going to fault them for not matching the Padres' offer.
This doesn't change the fact that they screwed up by not making a stronger offer last spring.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 8, 2022 1:55:51 GMT -5
Incidentally, is San Diego not going to be an *atrocious* park for him to play in? I love xandy and don't want to now turn to bashing him on the way out but if he could only hit 15 HRs this past year playing half his games in fenway I don't see him breaking 20 hrs over there in that spacious park. Might score a bazillion runs assuming he's gonna bat 2nd in front of Soto, Machado and tatis though. I certainly don't want to bash him either, but part of the logic for why he'd re-sign with the Red Sox is that he's so well-suited to Fenway (career 129 wRC+ at home, 107 on the road). Shades of Fred Lynn heading out to California...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2022 1:58:00 GMT -5
So this is better??!! Instead of trading a superstar for 50 cents on the dollar, let him walk as a free agent during a useless season and get a stinking 4th round pick because they couldn't figure out a way to stay under the limit? Does it really hurt that bad to say they mismanaged the situation then? For all of you who care about The Optics... Yes, The Optics would have been worse in the scenario where they trade him at the deadline and then don't re-sign him as a free agent. That's the exact Lester scenario that we still haven't heard the end of 8 years later. As it is, they at least made a vigorous effort to keep him and no one reasonable is going to fault them for not matching the Padres' offer. This doesn't change the fact that they screwed up by not making a stronger offer last spring.
Your last paragraph is exactly why Lester gets brought up and will continue to, because the X situation is so damn similar. At least for Lester the Sox eventually got the 2016 Cy Young, who also contributed to a championship team on 2018. That's something of value at least, but it's the principle of the situation that rankles fans. A lesson they apparently dont seemed to have learned too well.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 8, 2022 2:00:04 GMT -5
I love xandy and don't want to now turn to bashing him on the way out but if he could only hit 15 HRs this past year playing half his games in fenway I don't see him breaking 20 hrs over there in that spacious park. Might score a bazillion runs assuming he's gonna bat 2nd in front of Soto, Machado and tatis though. I certainly don't want to bash him either, but part of the logic for why he'd re-sign with the Red Sox is that he's so well-suited to Fenway (career 129 wRC+ at home, 107 on the road). Shades of Fred Lynn heading out to California... It'll be interesting to keep an eye on for sure, if he's wRC+ skews closer to that 107 as his home/away splits have shown in his career the Padres aren't going to come away with positive value in this deal that's for sure. I wish him the best though and hopefully he's got at least a few more years being amongst if not the top hitting SS.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 8, 2022 2:05:26 GMT -5
Bogaerts beat projections by like 2 WAR and had the best season of his career. If 6/160 is reasonable now, then it would have been unreasonable a year ago.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 8, 2022 2:09:46 GMT -5
Bogaerts beat projections by like 2 WAR and had the best season of his career. If 6/160 is reasonable now, then it would have been unreasonable a year ago. I recall thinking they should just offer him the same contract that Story got. 6/140. I also proposed the Correa deal: 3/105 with opt outs. Would either of those have gotten it done? Well, we'll never know...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2022 2:14:33 GMT -5
Bogaerts beat projections by like 2 WAR and had the best season of his career. If 6/160 is reasonable now, then it would have been unreasonable a year ago. I recall thinking they should just offer him the same contract that Story got. 6/140. I also proposed the Correa deal: 3/105 with opt outs. Would either of those have gotten it done? Well, we'll never know... I would have offered 7 years 200 million. At least if he turned that down, you already put your best foot forward and if it's not good enough you trade him.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 8, 2022 2:17:26 GMT -5
I am just not going to get mad about this.
Bogaerts seems like a good dude and he got the bag
I hate the Padres and now they have a giant albatross on the books. They've got three years of fun and eight years of pain to look forward to. Players fall off a cliff in their mid 30s.
Red Sox will be fine. It's looking like their third straight year of building a mid 80's win team and hoping for the best. One of the previous two was a lot of fun. I don't want them to sell the future to get all the way up to 88 wins. Gotta develop talent if you want something better than this.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2022 2:19:33 GMT -5
I am just not going to get mad about this. Bogaerts seems like a good dude and he got the bag I hate the Padres and now they have a giant albatross on the books. They've got three years of fun and eight years of pain to look forward to. Players fall off a cliff in their mid 30s. Red Sox will be fine. It's looking like their third straight year of building a mid 80's win team and hoping for the best. One of the previous two was a lot of fun. I don't want them to sell the future to get all the way up to 88 wins. Gotta develop talent if you want something better than this. Develop it AND keep it, or at least the cornerstones anyways.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Dec 8, 2022 2:28:12 GMT -5
I'm disappointed but not upset. If I'm upset at anything, it's (again) not tanking at the deadline and either trading for a huge haul, or more likely, getting under the tax and getting a better comp return. We held on to last season far too long and I had been saying that since before the deadline.
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Post by semperfisox on Dec 8, 2022 4:37:36 GMT -5
11 years? hahahaha no thanks
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Dec 8, 2022 4:48:14 GMT -5
And the band played on.........
Thank you X for being such a tremendous Sox. I am glad you got the offer you did. You deserve every penny. Will be rooting for you every second of the way. May the road rise up to you.....!!!
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Dec 8, 2022 5:29:35 GMT -5
The Red Sox offered 1 year and $30 million to Bogaerts remaining 3 years $60 million contract last spring Their best and final offer was 6 years $160 million. It is quite clear they were not serious about trying to sign him. Why didn’t they trade him last summer. It doesn’t bode well about them signing Decers to a long term contract. Might as well trade him this offseason for a bunch of young cost controlled players.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 8, 2022 5:46:10 GMT -5
NOT what I expected to wake up to... Sox are not real players in the FA market.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Dec 8, 2022 6:03:10 GMT -5
Please tell me we had zero interest in Bogaerts above $200 because the plan is Correa
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Post by terriblehondo on Dec 8, 2022 6:18:26 GMT -5
4th round pick because they didn't stay under the cap was a screw up for how little they were over. But they need really need to move Raffy now or we are going to get almost nothing for him too. Raffy and Xander were attached at the hip so I don't see anyway right now that Raffy does not test the market.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Dec 8, 2022 6:23:28 GMT -5
IF the Sox really offered 6 years/$160 million, and the Padres got him for 11 years/$280 million, the two offers are basically the same except the Padres paid the same rate for Xander's age 37, 38, 39, 40, and 41 seasons. I totally understand why the team didn't want to do that. As for locking him up earlier, I think the real issue revolves around the inevitability of FA given Boras as the agent. This seems to be an issue on which reasonable minds will have to agree to disagree.
I agree with an earlier poster. Preller is probably not going to be the owner in 11 years, and he's going to leave somebody else with a God-awful financial mess.
Does it feel like the current Sox ownership may be looking to sell, and they want to maximize their value by having as clean a balance sheet as possible (given current financial realities) for a new owner?
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Post by redsoxfan1212 on Dec 8, 2022 6:42:03 GMT -5
Pete Abraham had a tweet stating they weren't even the second best offer
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Post by greatscottcooper on Dec 8, 2022 6:45:49 GMT -5
Total buzz kill after yesterday, it really felt like he was about to resign here.
$280 just feels insane for him. I want to know who they were bidding against, and what they offered because it doesn't feel like the $280 was outbidding us.
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Post by pedey on Dec 8, 2022 6:46:33 GMT -5
My campaign didn’t work 😞
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Post by fenwaydouble on Dec 8, 2022 6:47:16 GMT -5
As the perhaps the number one Bogaerts homer on this forum this contract is madness and takes a lot of the sting of him leaving. That said, if you offer your guys serious extension offers you avoid the risk of other teams making bad decisions that screw you over.
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Post by pedey on Dec 8, 2022 6:48:40 GMT -5
So other than Devers, this closes the books on 2018’s lineup. It has yielded Verdugo, Wong, possibly a middle reliever, two guys from Houston, and a 4th round pick. Am I leaving anything out? The guys ffom Milwaukee? This post hurts my soul. I can’t believe that team was scrapped after one down year
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Post by zdog2418 on Dec 8, 2022 7:30:51 GMT -5
So after taxes Boston salary was about the same per year as padres just 5 less years….
You can’t really judge this until you see what we do next and that might be 3 months from now before a real opinion of how we handled it.
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