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Post by grandsalami on Dec 8, 2022 1:29:56 GMT -5
Well that totally sucks. Giving Boegarts 11 years is nuts. I'm not mad that they didnt give X 11 years and 280 million. I'm pissed that they let it get to this point. It's because of that insulting moronic offer to extend him just one year after for an additional 30 million. Other players notice. I'm sure Devers noticed. Sure some of the Sox farmhands noticed that the Sox cheaped out on C when they could have given him perhaps a 7 year 200 million offer. We'll never if he would have taken it but given that he gave the Sox the final crack at keeping him, he apparently wanted to stay. Even at the end he gave the Sox a last chance. The Sox didnt even make it to 200 million. The Giants offered Judge more than the Yankees but Judge chose the Yankees because they closed the gap and gave him an extra year. The Sox didnt bend as far. This feels like the Jon Lester situation. Penny wise. Dollar foolish. At least they got something for Lester, unlike X The Red Sox deserved to lose X. They set that in motion a long time ago. So you get drafted by the Sox, perform well, be a model citizen, sign a team friendly extension where you're underpaid and then when you try to get a more equalized contract, they nickel and dime you. Wonder if Marcelo Mayer or Tristan Casas are taking notes. I'm sure Raffy Devers is. If the Sox dick around with him, they'll lose him for practically nothing too. The Sox misread the market badly. They should have traded X last August if they weren't going to make an extended offer. I'm pissed because the Sox had a lot of assets from that 2018 team and converted them to much lower quantities. Downgrades all over the place. It shows in the standings. Maybe they overspend for Dansby Swanson. They're not giving Correa 325 million. They dont want to pay huge market prices, but hey, the Sox can probably get a bargain on Jean Segura. Woohoo. Xander’s agent was boras. He was always going to free agency like 99.9% of his clients
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 8, 2022 1:31:01 GMT -5
Can't say I'm mad they didn't match that offer from the Padres thats a wild contract length there. In hindsight I'm mad they jerked him around last offseason, suppose we'll never know for sure but seems like he'd have possibly accepted a reasonable extension offer not the garbage they offered back then.
Moving on from that, if X and turner got 11 Correa very easily could get 13 so don't see him being likely at all. Swanson probably going to get more than we're figuring at least in terms of years. Fully preparing myself for someone like Segura, maybe a trade for Ahmed Rosario or some sort of decent stop gap player. Even with Yoshida in tow who is no sure thing I'll say again that it's hard for me to imagine this lineup being very potent if/when they replace xandys production with a stopgap SS as that's going to be a huge downgrade.
This sucks. No other way to put it.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Dec 8, 2022 1:32:40 GMT -5
With Meyer on his way in 2 years or so, Bloom was right to stand against an eleven year contract. It seemed so promising when he closed out his face-to-face-to-face with X and Boras. Well Orsillo will be happy to see a familiar face. Right, but this all stems from an abject failure to maximize player values when readjusting his roster. The Red Sox have been in between plans for the past 3 years which has led to the Red Sox not only losing a cornerstone of the franchise, but finishing dead last in the AL East and only receiving a 4th round pick for Xander. Even if the Red Sox wind up with a tremendous young core in 2025, they still failed to maximize the value they should have received from the 2018 core they moved on from. Whether it's poor scouting, player development, timing, bad luck, or some combination of the foregoing, this transition has been as bad as one could possibly ever reasonably expect it to go.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2022 1:34:31 GMT -5
Well that totally sucks. Giving Boegarts 11 years is nuts. I'm not mad that they didnt give X 11 years and 280 million. I'm pissed that they let it get to this point. It's because of that insulting moronic offer to extend him just one year after for an additional 30 million. Other players notice. I'm sure Devers noticed. Sure some of the Sox farmhands noticed that the Sox cheaped out on C when they could have given him perhaps a 7 year 200 million offer. We'll never if he would have taken it but given that he gave the Sox the final crack at keeping him, he apparently wanted to stay. Even at the end he gave the Sox a last chance. The Sox didnt even make it to 200 million. The Giants offered Judge more than the Yankees but Judge chose the Yankees because they closed the gap and gave him an extra year. The Sox didnt bend as far. This feels like the Jon Lester situation. Penny wise. Dollar foolish. At least they got something for Lester, unlike X The Red Sox deserved to lose X. They set that in motion a long time ago. So you get drafted by the Sox, perform well, be a model citizen, sign a team friendly extension where you're underpaid and then when you try to get a more equalized contract, they nickel and dime you. Wonder if Marcelo Mayer or Tristan Casas are taking notes. I'm sure Raffy Devers is. If the Sox dick around with him, they'll lose him for practically nothing too. The Sox misread the market badly. They should have traded X last August if they weren't going to make an extended offer. I'm pissed because the Sox had a lot of assets from that 2018 team and converted them to much lower quantities. Downgrades all over the place. It shows in the standings. Maybe they overspend for Dansby Swanson. They're not giving Correa 325 million. They dont want to pay huge market prices, but hey, the Sox can probably get a bargain on Jean Segura. Woohoo. Xander’s agent was boras. He was always going to free agency like 99.9% of his clients Boras works for X. Not the other way around. Boras got varitek the best deal with the Sox because he wanted to stay. The Sox should have made a real extension offer last year. That way if he turned ot down and it was apparent they weren't going to agree the Sox could have traded him and got something of value. Maybe he would have signed. I think he would if they out 200 million in front of his face then, but they didn't. And if that dont work, trade him. They deserved what they got, which is another downgrade on the playing field.
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Post by ponch73 on Dec 8, 2022 1:39:36 GMT -5
Can't say I'm mad they didn't match that offer from the Padres thats a wild contract length there. In hindsight I'm mad they jerked him around last offseason, suppose we'll never know for sure but seems like he'd have possibly accepted a reasonable extension offer not the garbage they offered back then. Moving on from that, if X and turner got 11 Correa very easily could get 13 so don't see him being likely at all. Swanson probably going to get more than we're figuring at least in terms of years. Fully preparing myself for someone like Segura, maybe a trade for Ahmed Rosario or some sort of decent stop gap player. Even with Yoshida in tow who is no sure thing I'll say again that it's hard for me to imagine this lineup being very potent if/when they replace xandys production with a stopgap SS as that's going to be a huge downgrade. This sucks. No other way to put it. Maybe what you see as the Red Sox "jerked him around last offseason" was really the F.O. recognizing that his career had peaked given the ominous underlying batted ball trends and the yawning chasm home/road splits. Surely they have better intel on Xander than A.J. Preller.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 8, 2022 1:40:20 GMT -5
Xander’s agent was boras. He was always going to free agency like 99.9% of his clients Boras works for X. Not the other way around. Boras got varitek the best deal with the Sox because he wanted to stay. The Sox should have made a real extension offer last year. That way if he turned ot down and it was apparent they weren't going to agree the Sox could have traded him and got something of value. Maybe he would have signed. I think he would if they out 200 million in front of his face then, but they didn't. And if that dont work, trade him. They deserved what they got, which is another downgrade on the playing field. Yes. But people hire boras when they want the most money. If not there are many many other agents out there. And tek was many moons ago and many CBA’s ago (back when punishments for spending obscene amounts of money was non existent. And even then you can count on one hand the number players who have Boras as their agent who forgoes FA to sign an ext
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Post by bosoxnation on Dec 8, 2022 1:40:49 GMT -5
honestly now that shifts are illegal. I don’t want to see Bogaerts at SS but i would of paid him to play 3rd and trade Devers for some SP.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 8, 2022 1:41:34 GMT -5
Speier says the Sox offered 6/160
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 8, 2022 1:42:30 GMT -5
Can't say I'm mad they didn't match that offer from the Padres thats a wild contract length there. In hindsight I'm mad they jerked him around last offseason, suppose we'll never know for sure but seems like he'd have possibly accepted a reasonable extension offer not the garbage they offered back then. Moving on from that, if X and turner got 11 Correa very easily could get 13 so don't see him being likely at all. Swanson probably going to get more than we're figuring at least in terms of years. Fully preparing myself for someone like Segura, maybe a trade for Ahmed Rosario or some sort of decent stop gap player. Even with Yoshida in tow who is no sure thing I'll say again that it's hard for me to imagine this lineup being very potent if/when they replace xandys production with a stopgap SS as that's going to be a huge downgrade. This sucks. No other way to put it. Maybe what you see as the Red Sox "jerked him around last offseason" was really the F.O. recognizing that his career had peaked given the ominous underlying batted ball trends and the yawning chasm home/road splits. If that were the case they wouldn't have been in deep negotiations with him today and would have just told him at the end of the offseason thank you for your time here so no I don't buy that the FO "recognizes his career peaked and didn't want him anymore". They clearly wanted him back and were willing to pay him what used to be a fair deal this offseason but clearly we need to adjust our mindsets on what is a fair deal.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2022 1:42:56 GMT -5
Boras works for X. Not the other way around. Boras got varitek the best deal with the Sox because he wanted to stay. The Sox should have made a real extension offer last year. That way if he turned ot down and it was apparent they weren't going to agree the Sox could have traded him and got something of value. Maybe he would have signed. I think he would if they out 200 million in front of his face then, but they didn't. And if that dont work, trade him. They deserved what they got, which is another downgrade on the playing field. Yes. But people hire boras when they want the most money. If not there are many many other agents out there. And tek was many moons ago and many CBA’s ago (back when punishments for spending obscene amounts of money was non existent. And even then you can count on one hand the number players who have Boras as their agent who forgoes FA to sign an ext If he had turned down a real extension offer they'd know they can't sign him and they could have traded him for some value instead of a 4th round draft pick, a fact that seems to escape you in your constant effort to carry the front office's water.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 8, 2022 1:43:20 GMT -5
I'm glad the Sox didn't give it to him. But the fact that it even got to this point sucks.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2022 1:44:27 GMT -5
Speier says the Sox offered 6/160 If that's so they were never serious and deserved to lose them and their indecisive foolishness at the deadline looms larger.
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Post by orion09 on Dec 8, 2022 1:44:40 GMT -5
Speier says the Sox offered 6/160 That’s some insulting horses$#t, I don’t blame Xander for bouncing
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Post by incandenza on Dec 8, 2022 1:44:46 GMT -5
Speier says the Sox offered 6/160 So there was all this buzz earlier today because the Red Sox were just putting the finishing touches on their offer and no other team was outbidding them - until Preller swooped in and offer *$120 million more*? Is that what happened?
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 8, 2022 1:45:33 GMT -5
Speier says the Sox offered 6/160 Well no wonder boras and xandy left negotiations today and decided to go out and get top dollar. I'll stop short of saying that offer is a joke but that clearly wasn't gonna get it done either.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 8, 2022 1:45:42 GMT -5
Yes. But people hire boras when they want the most money. If not there are many many other agents out there. And tek was many moons ago and many CBA’s ago (back when punishments for spending obscene amounts of money was non existent. And even then you can count on one hand the number players who have Boras as their agent who forgoes FA to sign an ext If he had turned down a real extension offer they'd know they can't sign him and they could have traded him for some value instead of a 4th round draft pick, a fact that seems to escape you in your constant effort to carry the front office's water. Nah. Im not carrying water. And trade him? After the shitshow from the media after the mookie trade?
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 8, 2022 1:46:10 GMT -5
Speier says the Sox offered 6/160 Well no wonder boras and xandy left negotiations today and decided to go out and get top dollar. I'll stop short of saying that offer is a joke but that clearly wasn't gonna get it done either. Not the sox fault that SD is spending like a drunk.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2022 1:46:10 GMT -5
Can't say I'm mad they didn't match that offer from the Padres thats a wild contract length there. In hindsight I'm mad they jerked him around last offseason, suppose we'll never know for sure but seems like he'd have possibly accepted a reasonable extension offer not the garbage they offered back then. Moving on from that, if X and turner got 11 Correa very easily could get 13 so don't see him being likely at all. Swanson probably going to get more than we're figuring at least in terms of years. Fully preparing myself for someone like Segura, maybe a trade for Ahmed Rosario or some sort of decent stop gap player. Even with Yoshida in tow who is no sure thing I'll say again that it's hard for me to imagine this lineup being very potent if/when they replace xandys production with a stopgap SS as that's going to be a huge downgrade. This sucks. No other way to put it. Maybe what you see as the Red Sox "jerked him around last offseason" was really the F.O. recognizing that his career had peaked given the ominous underlying batted ball trends and the yawning chasm home/road splits. Surely they have better intel on Xander than A.J. Preller. So of course the Red Sox will have a better option at SS next year, right? We can expect a .300 BA with a .370 OBP next year?
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Post by incandenza on Dec 8, 2022 1:46:36 GMT -5
Incidentally, is San Diego not going to be an *atrocious* park for him to play in?
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 8, 2022 1:46:51 GMT -5
Speier says the Sox offered 6/160 That’s some insulting horses$#t, I don’t blame Xander for bouncing The funny thing is if they offered it last offseason, he's probably still here.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 8, 2022 1:46:55 GMT -5
Speier says the Sox offered 6/160 So there was all this buzz earlier today because the Red Sox were just putting the finishing touches on their offer and no other team was outbidding them - until Preller swooped in and offer *$120 million more*? Is that what happened? Looks like it to me
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Post by orion09 on Dec 8, 2022 1:47:53 GMT -5
Speier says the Sox offered 6/160 So there was all this buzz earlier today because the Red Sox were just putting the finishing touches on their offer and no other team was outbidding them - until Preller swooped in and offer *$120 million more*? Is that what happened? So… Boras knew the Sox weren’t going to come close, so he leaked the reports about the Sox’ momentum to get the Padres to big against themselves?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2022 1:48:43 GMT -5
If he had turned down a real extension offer they'd know they can't sign him and they could have traded him for some value instead of a 4th round draft pick, a fact that seems to escape you in your constant effort to carry the front office's water. Nah. Im not carrying water. And trade him? After the shitshow from the media after the mookie trade? So this is better??!! Instead of trading a superstar for 50 cents on the dollar, let him walk as a free agent during a useless season and get a stinking 4th round pick because they couldn't figure out a way to stay under the limit? Does it really hurt that bad to say they mismanaged the situation then?
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 8, 2022 1:49:19 GMT -5
I think the Padres actually paid $80M more than the market was going to get to.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 8, 2022 1:50:21 GMT -5
Incidentally, is San Diego not going to be an *atrocious* park for him to play in? I love xandy and don't want to now turn to bashing him on the way out but if he could only hit 15 HRs this past year playing half his games in fenway I don't see him breaking 20 hrs over there in that spacious park. Might score a bazillion runs assuming he's gonna bat 2nd in front of Soto, Machado and tatis though.
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