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Red Sox Acquire Wyatt Mills for Jacob Wallace, DFA Hosmer
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 16, 2022 20:04:01 GMT -5
Casas has not exactly been the paradigm of health, so what does our 1B situation look like if he were to get injured - just a repeat of 2022? I also have to think Hosmer had some value as a reliable veteran 1B making the league minimum. I don't get this. This is my main issue with the DFA of Hosmer. Casas has missed significant chunks of time in multiple seasons. Never been anything major so that's a plus but he's such a big guy and it seemingly takes him a little longer to recover from injuries he's gotten the last few years. That ankle injury this year didn't sound like it'd be a big deal at first then he missed months because it just didn't heal right. It's worrisome. I'd guess it solidifies Bobby Bombs being on this roster again.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 16, 2022 20:06:09 GMT -5
This is my main issue with the DFA of Hosmer. Casas has missed significant chunks of time in multiple seasons. Never been anything major so that's a plus but he's such a big guy and it seemingly takes him a little longer to recover from injuries he's gotten the last few years. That ankle injury this year didn't sound like it'd be a big deal at first then he missed months because it just didn't heal right. It's worrisome. I'd guess it solidifies Bobby Bombs being on this roster again. I could talk myself into not hating keeping dalbec on the roster. He's been pretty solid vs lefties so far in the majors. Casas plays most of the time but dalbec gets starts vs tough lefties. That could certainly work.
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Post by chr31ter on Dec 16, 2022 20:11:56 GMT -5
Hat tip to Stats for this.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 16, 2022 20:16:32 GMT -5
Guys, Eric Hosmer stinks. You can just play Arroyo at first, he's better and now you don't have a bad 1B taking up one of your 4 bench spots.
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Post by rico6 on Dec 16, 2022 20:17:13 GMT -5
Gee, what an exciting offseason. Just an extension of the exciting 2022 season.
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 16, 2022 20:24:03 GMT -5
Guys, Eric Hosmer stinks. You can just play Arroyo at first, he's better and now you don't have a bad 1B taking up one of your 4 bench spots. For six innings until he pulls his groin and is out for two months
Edit: But realistically I'd be okay with him backing up 1B if Bobby doesn't end up on the roster
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 16, 2022 20:56:58 GMT -5
Guys, Eric Hosmer stinks. You can just play Arroyo at first, he's better and now you don't have a bad 1B taking up one of your 4 bench spots. Sign Justin Turner or Brandon Drury. Backup 1B/DH/3B solved.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 16, 2022 20:59:01 GMT -5
Hat tip to Stats for this.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 16, 2022 21:15:27 GMT -5
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Post by congusgambler33 on Dec 16, 2022 21:29:44 GMT -5
I love how Bloom makes deals that no one would predict in a million years. he always has us guessing wrong and I think he relishes it. Lets guess the next head scratching move he makes.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Dec 16, 2022 21:30:33 GMT -5
What is this team doing? Do they even know? I havn't been as deep into the Sox since Covid and that year I knew the starting staff would be horrendous, that said I don't know at all what Bloom is doing. The only thing I can guess is that they/Bloom are punting another year away until they are more confident the farm can start supplying the major league club on a regular basis. My other best guess is Bello could be a #3 type starter as early as this season with a slight chance to pitch like a #2. Cassas looks to me like a player who makes an all star team once down the road in a few seasons. His defense last year was excellent in his short time up in the big leagues. He has power and can walk but will he hit enough for average to make the other two be respected. I think at his peak cetainly. Who is likely to contribute next year? Mata and Walker? Blaze Jordan should be ranked a little higher than he is for the exact opposite reasons Jeter Downs was ever rated as high as he was. I've been knocking at this door for a while so it's not second guessing it to me is actually common sense. That is not a knock on the web site here as I think theyget at worst a B+ to an A- overall ranking sox prospects, albeit occasionaly players who have all the tools but little results are given way to long a chord to hang themselves. It's the only critique I have and it's more of a case by case basis. Fodder for thought.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 16, 2022 21:36:55 GMT -5
Genuinely have no idea why people think it's utterly baffling why they would trade their #45 prospect, a reliever, for last year's Seattle #14 prospect, also a reliever, who is coming off a meh rookie year. It looks like a pretty standard, unremarkable baseball trade to me.
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Dec 16, 2022 21:42:25 GMT -5
No one would care about this move if it wasn't the most significant transaction this front office had done since their homegrown, longest tenured player signed with another team.
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Dec 16, 2022 21:46:34 GMT -5
To actually comment on the move though, Hosmer was probably always going to get DFA'd (as Bloom said). Can't really have a backup left handed first baseman you can't option who is behind your top prospect left handed first baseman.
It was a solid move in the first place to grab him for essentially nothing, although as many said at the time, would've been much better at the beginning of 2022. But I digress.
Outside of the Hosmer DFA, trading Wallace for Mills is very low key.
I agree with the overall concern about the 40 man, though. So many random relievers. But I don't think replacing a very rigid first baseman with a reliever is making it any worse.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 16, 2022 21:47:06 GMT -5
I love how Bloom makes deals that no one would predict in a million years. he always has us guessing wrong and I think he relishes it. Lets guess the next head scratching move he makes. Verdugo for a middle reliever. I can feel it!
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Post by notnickyorke on Dec 16, 2022 21:55:00 GMT -5
Do we know if Mills has any options?
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 16, 2022 21:57:09 GMT -5
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Dec 16, 2022 22:04:46 GMT -5
I mean I'm kind of stuck on the idea that our 40-man is full and it surprises me that we're making room for another fringe major league reliever (in addition to Brasier, Taylor, Ort, Kelly, Darwinzon, German, Winckowski, et al.). Thats a lot of 40-man space to spend of fringe major league relief when we still need to add ideally 3 impact players to field a competitive playoff caliber team. Clearly they see something they like to make this move, and I'll give them some benefit of the doubt in terms of identifying something useful in Mills. The 40 man construction and distribution is definitely puzzling to me though. Bloom will try to send Mills to AAA as soon as the 40-man spot is needed for someone else. If Mills is claimed…no loss. Hosmer was redundant.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Dec 16, 2022 22:05:42 GMT -5
I dont think it's a big deal at all to lose Hosmer but with any stroke of luck a Hosmer/Dalbec DH combo may have been decent for real cheap in a pinch. Easily replaceable but I figured for the vet minimum he's a fine bench piece and Casas has had injury problems the last few years. Nothing major but he has missed time. If Casas gets hurt we're staring at what Bobby dalbec at first again? That didn't exactly work well last year. I mean, the organization is just trusting everything will work out smoothly for Casas. What if he's hitting .180 by the beginning of May? They lose an adequate replacement if Casas struggles out of the gate. I guess they're just going to ride with him no matter what. I think Bloom cares more about finding which guys work in 2023 than competing. I don't know why Dalbec or Darwinzon are still on the roster. I guess rather roll the dice on the theoretical ceiling than the guys with a higher floor. So I actully understand the failure at first base last year, the risk was worth it for sure, but once bitten twice shy, you would think you;d have some redundancy there but but nope.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Dec 16, 2022 22:13:45 GMT -5
Guys, Eric Hosmer stinks. You can just play Arroyo at first, he's better and now you don't have a bad 1B taking up one of your 4 bench spots. You mean an above average bat with home games in San Diego now at Fenway that would be your back-up and tutor at first base?
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 16, 2022 22:20:38 GMT -5
[MEDIA=twitter]1603936432111980544[/MEDIA] View: The first half of the quote makes sense, but the second half does not. They want to do right by Hosmer and give him time to find a team - that's great - but if that was their true feeling, they would have DFAd him yesterday instead of Downs, or 3 days ago instead of Park. If this was Bloom's plan all along, what changed between yesterday and today? Hopefully it's because they're finalizing a deal for whomever is about to take his place on the roster. Guess we will see. Hosmer is a LH first baseman. He is redundant as Casas will get most of the at bats. Homer is a wasted spot on the 26-man unless Casas is injured. Dalbec is a better fit hitting RH and able to play 3B. This is true, but as of yesterday, Hosmer was the starting DH vs RHPs. This move only makes sense once we see the future moves (presumably an upgrade at DH or OF).
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Post by jmei on Dec 16, 2022 22:24:09 GMT -5
The trade is fine, but I would have kept Hosmer. He’s redundant with Casas but a free 1 WAR player is not nothing.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 16, 2022 23:00:11 GMT -5
The first half of the quote makes sense, but the second half does not. They want to do right by Hosmer and give him time to find a team - that's great - but if that was their true feeling, they would have DFAd him yesterday instead of Downs, or 3 days ago instead of Park. If this was Bloom's plan all along, what changed between yesterday and today? Hopefully it's because they're finalizing a deal for whomever is about to take his place on the roster. Guess we will see. This is true, but as of yesterday, Hosmer was the starting DH vs RHPs. This move only makes sense once we see the future moves (presumably an upgrade at DH or OF). I do not believe Hosmer is let go without something else already completed (and simply not announced)…. The Bloom leadership is tight lipped. I would not be surprised if some of his deals are done for several weeks before they are announced as a requirement for signing…. Many (if not most) of these comments act as if the Mills acquisition was done in a vacuum. Mills probably will not even be on the 40-man in a week (AAA or another organization). Disagree here, Mills is more interesting than at least a couple of their 40 man relievers.
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Post by rico6 on Dec 16, 2022 23:11:39 GMT -5
The trade is fine, but I would have kept Hosmer. He’s redundant with Casas but a free 1 WAR player is not nothing. Hopefully, they have a decent RH backup 1B in mind. The last I knew, Casas had some knee issues in the Winter League. He's had some injury issues previously and I don't want to see Dalbec back at first base. We saw how 1B looked this past season. To me, Dalbec has looked better at 3B than 1B. To your point, Hosmer may have been redundant but a free veteran player that could have been a safety net for spring. I have to assume they have a decent backup 1B in the works.
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 16, 2022 23:27:33 GMT -5
The trade is fine, but I would have kept Hosmer. He’s redundant with Casas but a free 1 WAR player is not nothing. Hopefully, they have a decent RH backup 1B in mind. The last I knew, Casas had some knee issues in the Winter League. He's had some injury issues previously and I don't want to see Dalbec back at first base. We saw how 1B looked this past season. To me, Dalbec has looked better at 3B than 1B. To your point, Hosmer may have been redundant but a free veteran player that could have been a safety net for spring. I have to assume they have a decent backup 1B in the works. Hosmer probably would have been the starting DH against RHP for this team, so I'm interested how this is all going to shake out. If Dalbec is expected to play 1B/3B, that makes a lot of sense positionally (Wong C, Dalbec 1B/3B Arroyo 2B/SS & occasional 1B/3B/OF, Reysnyder OF), but it would leave us with a completely right-handed bench against RHP. That's not ideal; best case we'd have some sort of left-handed middle infielder so we'd have at a mix of RH and LH options at all positions and also have a LH bench bat. I'm not sure who that would be, but I suppose one possibility could be Enmanuel Valdez. We still do need to add a middle IF of some sort to the roster, LHH or no.
If the season started today, the starting DH would probably now be Yoshida. Refsnyder would be forced into an everyday RF role while a guy like Duran would fill out the bench as the fourth OF. I don't think there's a chance that's the plan; otherwise you just keep Hosmer. One option would be signing a corner IF/DH type that would be enough of an upgrade play Verdugo in RF and Yoshida in LF (e.g. Justin Turner). I don't think that's a good alignment, though. I hate the idea of signing another likely defensive liability for the privilege of having poor defenders at both OF corners. I think a much better option would be trading for a proper RF (e.g. Max Kepler), since that would let Verdugo stay in LF and let Yoshida DH most of the time. That's a big upgrade defensively and also likely gives us a similarly good lineup.
At any rate, I'm excited to see how it goes. I'm excited to see Mills throw too. Having two Schreibers would be outrageous.
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