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Red Sox Acquire Wyatt Mills for Jacob Wallace, DFA Hosmer
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Post by geostorm on Dec 17, 2022 6:41:58 GMT -5
Hopefully, they have a decent RH backup 1B in mind. The last I knew, Casas had some knee issues in the Winter League. He's had some injury issues previously and I don't want to see Dalbec back at first base. We saw how 1B looked this past season. To me, Dalbec has looked better at 3B than 1B. To your point, Hosmer may have been redundant but a free veteran player that could have been a safety net for spring. I have to assume they have a decent backup 1B in the works. Hosmer probably would have been the starting DH against RHP for this team, so I'm interested how this is all going to shake out. If Dalbec is expected to play 1B/3B, that makes a lot of sense positionally (Wong C, Dalbec 1B/3B Arroyo 2B/SS & occasional 1B/3B/OF, Reysnyder OF), but it would leave us with a completely right-handed bench against RHP. That's not ideal; best case we'd have some sort of left-handed middle infielder so we'd have at a mix of RH and LH options at all positions and also have a LH bench bat. I'm not sure who that would be, but I suppose one possibility could be Enmanuel Valdez. We still do need to add a middle IF of some sort to the roster, LHH or no.
If the season started today, the starting DH would probably now be Yoshida. Refsnyder would be forced into an everyday RF role while a guy like Duran would fill out the bench as the fourth OF. I don't think there's a chance that's the plan; otherwise you just keep Hosmer. One option would be signing a corner IF/DH type that would be enough of an upgrade play Verdugo in RF and Yoshida in LF (e.g. Justin Turner). I don't think that's a good alignment, though. I hate the idea of signing another likely defensive liability for the privilege of having poor defenders at both OF corners. I think a much better option would be trading for a proper RF (e.g. Max Kepler), since that would let Verdugo stay in LF and let Yoshida DH most of the time. That's a big upgrade defensively and also likely gives us a similarly good lineup.
At any rate, I'm excited to see how it goes. I'm excited to see Mills throw too. Having two Schreibers would be outrageous.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 17, 2022 7:02:09 GMT -5
They obviously unlocked something in schreiber last year. Whether that's repeatable for him who knows. Let's hope so, and if so perhaps they can translate that over to mills as well, worth a shot.
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Post by Canseco on Dec 17, 2022 9:17:59 GMT -5
I’m fine with the trade, but DFA’ing Hosmer is puzzling. By all accounts, he’s an excellent clubhouse/culture guy, and he’s a serviceable 1B/DH to be present while Casas learns on the fly. Factor in SD paying Hosmer’s salary and I’m fully flummoxed by choosing him as the guy to clear from the 40-man.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 17, 2022 9:32:58 GMT -5
I’m fine with the trade, but DFA’ing Hosmer is puzzling. By all accounts, he’s an excellent clubhouse/culture guy, and he’s a serviceable 1B/DH to be present while Casas learns on the fly. Factor in SD paying Hosmer’s salary and I’m fully flummoxed by choosing him as the guy to clear from the 40-man. I can think of Seabold, Ort, Brasier (he has fans on here and thats fine), German, and Kelly, who I would choose to DFA over Hosmer right off the bat. Thats not good...
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 17, 2022 9:33:02 GMT -5
I’m fine with the trade, but DFA’ing Hosmer is puzzling. By all accounts, he’s an excellent clubhouse/culture guy, and he’s a serviceable 1B/DH to be present while Casas learns on the fly. Factor in SD paying Hosmer’s salary and I’m fully flummoxed by choosing him as the guy to clear from the 40-man. I’m in wait and see more here, I think there’s certainly guys available that would be better fits than Hosmer on the roster. So if they adequately get one then it’s totally fine, and I do think that’s what happens. But if he’s out and it’s just Duran moving up instead? Wouldn’t love that.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 17, 2022 9:36:22 GMT -5
I’m fine with the trade, but DFA’ing Hosmer is puzzling. By all accounts, he’s an excellent clubhouse/culture guy, and he’s a serviceable 1B/DH to be present while Casas learns on the fly. Factor in SD paying Hosmer’s salary and I’m fully flummoxed by choosing him as the guy to clear from the 40-man. I can think of Seabold, Ort, Brasier (he has fans on here and thats fine), German, and Kelly, who I would choose to DFA over Hosmer right off the bat. Thats not good... Based on their intent to add players it’s going to be Hosmer AND at least a couple of those guys (barring a trade including other 40 man guys), it’s not either or, and they’re just letting Hosmer go first.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 17, 2022 9:44:48 GMT -5
I can think of Seabold, Ort, Brasier (he has fans on here and thats fine), German, and Kelly, who I would choose to DFA over Hosmer right off the bat. Thats not good... Based on their intent to add players it’s going to be Hosmer AND at least a couple of those guys (barring a trade including other 40 man guys), it’s not either or, and they’re just letting Hosmer go first. The real problem here is that you have an estimated payroll of 192 million or something like that after arbitration and you can literally pick 5-7 people on the 40 man roster that you wouldn't lose sleep over DFAing because they either suck, or redundant or both. I'll tell you what isn't redundant on the 40-man roster, and that's 1st base. Hosmer in a vaccum is not a great player. He's the 25th guy you have on your roster to help in a pinch. Not to mention, he's been kind of a mentor to Casas since they went to the same high school. The bottom line is that if Casas goes down, you have 3 options. The first option is to try Arroyo there and watch him eventually get hurt and miss 2 months with whatever injury he comes up with because he himself is also injury prone. The second option is Bobby Bombs which he was so good at last year they ended up using Franchy at 1st until they got...Eric Hosmer. The third option is having to go out and trade assets for a guy like Eric Hosmer that can fill in for Casas. Casas is no lock to stay healthy and there are better ways to get another RHB than DFA one of your two dependable 1st baseman for a reliever that you have like 20 of on the 40 man roster.
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Post by manfred on Dec 17, 2022 9:46:40 GMT -5
I can think of Seabold, Ort, Brasier (he has fans on here and thats fine), German, and Kelly, who I would choose to DFA over Hosmer right off the bat. Thats not good... Based on their intent to add players it’s going to be Hosmer AND at least a couple of those guys (barring a trade including other 40 man guys), it’s not either or, and they’re just letting Hosmer go first. And Hosmer can’t be traded. So if these guys are all moving out, and I think you are right, they may as well hold onto guys who at least *might* return trade value. Makes sense. Someone mentioned Seabold above. I’m not a believer, but I’d also be peeved if they DFAd him. He can *definitely* be traded for something.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 17, 2022 9:49:16 GMT -5
Based on their intent to add players it’s going to be Hosmer AND at least a couple of those guys (barring a trade including other 40 man guys), it’s not either or, and they’re just letting Hosmer go first. And Hosmer can’t be traded. So if these guys are all moving out, and I think you are right, they may as well hold onto guys who at least *might* return trade value. Makes sense. Someone mentioned Seabold above. I’m not a believer, but I’d also be peeved if they DFAd him. He can *definitely* be traded for something. He doesn't really have value, though unless you're getting a guy like Mills. We could have said the same about Downs too. Like Downs his stock has dropped quite a bit.
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Post by manfred on Dec 17, 2022 9:51:16 GMT -5
And Hosmer can’t be traded. So if these guys are all moving out, and I think you are right, they may as well hold onto guys who at least *might* return trade value. Makes sense. Someone mentioned Seabold above. I’m not a believer, but I’d also be peeved if they DFAd him. He can *definitely* be traded for something. He doesn't really have value, though unless you're getting a guy like Mills. We could have said the same about Downs too. Like Downs his stock has dropped quite a bit. Dropped, but not zero, I’m sure. Some team would take a shot. Yeah, it’d likely be a longshot relief arm, but that’s better than nothing.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 17, 2022 9:53:33 GMT -5
Based on their intent to add players it’s going to be Hosmer AND at least a couple of those guys (barring a trade including other 40 man guys), it’s not either or, and they’re just letting Hosmer go first. The real problem here is that you have an estimated payroll of 192 million or something like that after arbitration and you can literally pick 5-7 people on the 40 man roster that you wouldn't lose sleep over DFAing because they either suck, or redundant or both. I'll tell you what isn't redundant on the 40-man roster, and that's 1st base. Hosmer in a vaccum is not a great player. He's the 25th guy you have on your roster to help in a pinch. Not to mention, he's been kind of a mentor to Casas since they went to the same high school. The bottom line is that if Casas goes down, you have 3 options. The first option is to try Arroyo there and watch him eventually get hurt and miss 2 months with whatever injury he comes up with because he himself is also injury prone. The second option is Bobby Bombs which he was so good at last year they ended up using Franchy at 1st until they got...Eric Hosmer. The third option is having to go out and trade assets for a guy like Eric Hosmer that can fill in for Casas. Casas is no lock to stay healthy and there are better ways to get another RHB than DFA one of your two dependable 1st baseman for a reliever that you have like 20 of on the 40 man roster. Don’t agree with you. Using one of your 26 spots on a lefty 1B/DH only whose upside is a slightly above average bat is not the best way to build the team. There’s at least half a dozen FAs who I’d rather have in that roster spot. Most of those other guys can be in the minors, and I disagree that they could cut every single one of them without issue.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 17, 2022 9:59:53 GMT -5
The real problem here is that you have an estimated payroll of 192 million or something like that after arbitration and you can literally pick 5-7 people on the 40 man roster that you wouldn't lose sleep over DFAing because they either suck, or redundant or both. I'll tell you what isn't redundant on the 40-man roster, and that's 1st base. Hosmer in a vaccum is not a great player. He's the 25th guy you have on your roster to help in a pinch. Not to mention, he's been kind of a mentor to Casas since they went to the same high school. The bottom line is that if Casas goes down, you have 3 options. The first option is to try Arroyo there and watch him eventually get hurt and miss 2 months with whatever injury he comes up with because he himself is also injury prone. The second option is Bobby Bombs which he was so good at last year they ended up using Franchy at 1st until they got...Eric Hosmer. The third option is having to go out and trade assets for a guy like Eric Hosmer that can fill in for Casas. Casas is no lock to stay healthy and there are better ways to get another RHB than DFA one of your two dependable 1st baseman for a reliever that you have like 20 of on the 40 man roster. Don’t agree with you. Using one of your 26 spots on a lefty 1B/DH only whose upside is a slightly above average bat is not the best way to build the team. There’s at least half a dozen FAs who I’d rather have in that roster spot. Most of those other guys can be in the minors, and I disagree that they could cut every single one of them without issue. Who out of the FA market would you rather have that would come with a similar price tag? The chances of Mills breaking camp aren't great. I'm not even judging the guy based on being DFAed by the Royals. It just doesn't make sense to use another 40-man spot on another reliever while subtracting a major league first baseman. This was a spot that I think we all learned last year you can't take for granted.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 17, 2022 10:06:19 GMT -5
Don’t agree with you. Using one of your 26 spots on a lefty 1B/DH only whose upside is a slightly above average bat is not the best way to build the team. There’s at least half a dozen FAs who I’d rather have in that roster spot. Most of those other guys can be in the minors, and I disagree that they could cut every single one of them without issue. Who out of the FA market would you rather have that would come with a similar price tag? The chances of Mills breaking camp aren't great. I'm not even judging the guy based on being DFAed by the Royals. It just doesn't make sense to use another 40-man spot on another reliever while subtracting a major league first baseman. This was a spot that I think we all learned last year you can't take for granted. Why does he have to come with a similar price tag? The Red Sox have money to spend! Personally, I’ve been advocating for Justin Turner or Brandon Drury as an add.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 17, 2022 10:08:16 GMT -5
Who out of the FA market would you rather have that would come with a similar price tag? The chances of Mills breaking camp aren't great. I'm not even judging the guy based on being DFAed by the Royals. It just doesn't make sense to use another 40-man spot on another reliever while subtracting a major league first baseman. This was a spot that I think we all learned last year you can't take for granted. Why does he have to come with a similar price tag? The Red Sox have money to spend! Personally, I’ve been advocating for Justin Turner or Brandon Drury as an add. My point is that you can use that money elsewhere in a different position. That 12 million you give Drury or Turner you can use towards a SS which they do not have right now. Or bringing back Eovaldi, which would help stabilize the rotation. You didn't need to use that money on a backup 1st baseman.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 17, 2022 10:08:54 GMT -5
Why does he have to come with a similar price tag? The Red Sox have money to spend! Personally, I’ve been advocating for Justin Turner or Brandon Drury as an add. My point is that you can use that money elsewhere in a different position. That 12 million you give Drury or Turner you can use towards a SS which they do not have right now. Or bringing back Eovaldi which would help stabilize the rotation. They have enough money to do all three.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 17, 2022 10:10:53 GMT -5
My point is that you can use that money elsewhere in a different position. That 12 million you give Drury or Turner you can use towards a SS which they do not have right now. Or bringing back Eovaldi which would help stabilize the rotation. They have enough money to do all three. I disagree. They don't have enough, or just won't spend enough to sign a guy like Swanson then go out and get Eovaldi, and get Turner. Won't happen.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 17, 2022 10:15:50 GMT -5
They have enough money to do all three. I disagree. They don't have enough, or just won't spend enough to sign a guy like Swanson then go out and get Eovaldi, and get Turner. Won't happen. Segura/Andrus + Eovaldi + Turner could be under the $40M in room they have. Swanson + Hill + Turner also could be and I’d prefer that to Swanson + Eovaldi + Hosmer. Also they could start the season a little over the cap, they don’t necessarily need to reset this year and there’s always mid season trades to get under (though obviously they passed on that chance this year).
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Post by incandenza on Dec 17, 2022 10:19:12 GMT -5
So people were confused about why they DFA'd Hosmer, and then someone posted a quote from Bloom that pretty clearly explained the rationale, and then this thread just kept right on puzzling out the big mystery of why they DFA'd Hosmer.
If you must read between the lines of Bloom's quote, I think you could go with something like: Hosmer has a full no-trade clause, and he wasn't going to approve a trade to any team that the Red Sox had the potential to trade him to, and maybe even requested the DFA so that he could effectively become a free agent.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Dec 17, 2022 10:33:12 GMT -5
We don’t need Hosmer to teach Casas how to play first base. He’s been playing it for a while and growing there just fine. This is also what coaches are for.
Personally I like keeping Dalbec over Hosmer on the 26 man. He’s RH, can Play 3B/1B/DH and could probably learn corner of just fine. I’d love to see if he could capture some of that magic in 2021 or at least become a viable bench bat who can mash lefties.
Although I also don’t think it’s out of question he’s traded or optioned either.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Dec 17, 2022 10:37:05 GMT -5
So people were confused about why they DFA'd Hosmer, and then someone posted a quote from Bloom that pretty clearly explained the rationale, and then this thread just kept right on puzzling out the big mystery of why they DFA'd Hosmer.
If you must read between the lines of Bloom's quote, I think you could go with something like: Hosmer has a full no-trade clause, and he wasn't going to approve a trade to any team that the Red Sox had the potential to trade him to, and maybe even requested the DFA so that he could effectively become a free agent.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Dec 17, 2022 10:38:15 GMT -5
So people were confused about why they DFA'd Hosmer, and then someone posted a quote from Bloom that pretty clearly explained the rationale, and then this thread just kept right on puzzling out the big mystery of why they DFA'd Hosmer.
If you must read between the lines of Bloom's quote, I think you could go with something like: Hosmer has a full no-trade clause, and he wasn't going to approve a trade to any team that the Red Sox had the potential to trade him to, and maybe even requested the DFA so that he could effectively become a free agent.
Yup, clear lane for Cassas and what is best for Hosmer. Clear as day to me.
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Post by stevedillard on Dec 17, 2022 10:44:27 GMT -5
So do I have it right that even though our actual cash obligation to him was 500k, the salary cap hit of dead money we took on was 5.7 mil? If so, that was an awful pickup. And by DFA ing him we lose any chance to pass that on to another team?
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Post by stevedillard on Dec 17, 2022 10:55:02 GMT -5
edit: Nope, Alex Speier says no cap hit. So I'm more than good with this.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 17, 2022 11:39:05 GMT -5
Cotillo reporting that there was zero interest in trading for Hosmer around the league
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Post by incandenza on Dec 17, 2022 12:06:14 GMT -5
Cotillo reporting that there was zero interest in trading for Hosmer around the league This was a pretty clear implication from the fact that he was DFA'd, but I guess I find it a little surprising. No one wanted him as a league minimum part of a platoon 1B/DH, even for a lottery ticket prospect?
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