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Red Sox Acquire Wyatt Mills for Jacob Wallace, DFA Hosmer
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 16, 2022 17:01:03 GMT -5
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 16, 2022 17:06:10 GMT -5
Mills is kind of interesting I guess. I'm not sure I agree with the Hosmer DFA vs. Brasier or Hernandez or Ort, but I guess if they have another bench bat coming in it doesn't really matter.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Dec 16, 2022 17:07:57 GMT -5
I think dfa ing hosmer makes it likelier for him to accept a trade maybe?
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Post by dirtdog on Dec 16, 2022 17:15:16 GMT -5
Has a career negative WAR and 6.2 ERA? At 28 a light is suddenly going to go on? Bloom is like the Fred Sanford of baseball execs.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 16, 2022 17:15:42 GMT -5
Mills was the prize Seattle gave up to get Carlos Santana.
Low arm angle, tons of whiffs on his fastball. Looks like his slider has been getting killed. Red Sox have been interested in fringey guys with weird arm angles lately.
Wallace has some value and 40 man spots are tight this time of year, so they must see something in Mills.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 17:17:36 GMT -5
I’m a little rusty on the DFA rules. Does this mean they can place Hosmer on waivers? I know they can’t outright him to AAA (or at least he could refuse it) because of his service time
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 16, 2022 17:18:38 GMT -5
I’m a little rusty on the DFA rules. Does this mean they can place Hosmer on waivers? I know they can’t outright him to AAA (or at least he could refuse it) because of his service time He will pass through waivers, and if unclaimed, will become a free agent. No reason for him to accept a trade. He can likely make more, and make his own choice, as a FA.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 16, 2022 17:19:46 GMT -5
I’m a little rusty on the DFA rules. Does this mean they can place Hosmer on waivers? I know they can’t outright him to AAA (or at least he could refuse it) because of his service time
They have 7 days to either trade him or place him on waivers.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 16, 2022 17:20:19 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Dec 16, 2022 17:21:15 GMT -5
Eh, don’t really like it
Maybe he’s a good reliever next year for us though, never know with these guys
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 16, 2022 17:22:51 GMT -5
I’m a little rusty on the DFA rules. Does this mean they can place Hosmer on waivers? I know they can’t outright him to AAA (or at least he could refuse it) because of his service time He will pass through waivers, and if unclaimed, will become a free agent. No reason for him to accept a trade. He can likely make more, and make his own choice, as a FA. If he is claimed on waivers, he has to report to any team that claims him. Right now he should be talking to his agent about engineering a trade to the one place he wants to go most.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 16, 2022 17:24:50 GMT -5
What is this team doing? Do they even know?
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 16, 2022 17:25:36 GMT -5
This is a weird choice.
Mills walls nasty in AAA in 2021, but it didn't translate to the majors. Performance was pretty underwhelming in 2022 in AAA and MLB. Fastball/Sinker/Slider pitcher who sits in the low 90s as a reliever. 3rd percentile spin-rate for the fastball (sinker may have affected this). Red Sox must see something in him.
Hosmer DFA doesn't make much sense unless there's another shoe about to drop. Perhaps JD coming back?
Add: It's possible the Red Sox think they can hang onto some of these guys and sneak them through waivers as other teams fill up. Then they can stash them in AAA without using a 40-man spot.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Dec 16, 2022 17:26:30 GMT -5
This sounds like a start of a series of like 10 transactions that might get us a net of 1% in the right direction. I actually really liked Hosmer at his price and thought that this would be the one possible way to screw it up.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 16, 2022 17:27:23 GMT -5
He looks like JAG, which is basically what they sent away although I liked Wallace's upside but without control it probably wouldnt have mattered anyways, so basically nothing for nothing, nothing to get excited about and nothing to complain about.
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Post by ramireja on Dec 16, 2022 17:27:52 GMT -5
I mean I'm kind of stuck on the idea that our 40-man is full and it surprises me that we're making room for another fringe major league reliever (in addition to Brasier, Taylor, Ort, Kelly, Darwinzon, German, Winckowski, et al.). Thats a lot of 40-man space to spend of fringe major league relief when we still need to add ideally 3 impact players to field a competitive playoff caliber team. Clearly they see something they like to make this move, and I'll give them some benefit of the doubt in terms of identifying something useful in Mills. The 40 man construction and distribution is definitely puzzling to me though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 17:28:11 GMT -5
He will pass through waivers, and if unclaimed, will become a free agent. No reason for him to accept a trade. He can likely make more, and make his own choice, as a FA. If he is claimed on waivers, he has to report to any team that claims him. Right now he should be talking to his agent about engineering a trade to the one place he wants to go most. I was gonna say, if can be claimed on waivers, he has an incentive to help pick out a team he wants to go to trade wise (he has full no trade clause), before like some bad team picks him up and makes him go to like Detroit or Oakland or something. I just wanted to make sure
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 16, 2022 17:28:35 GMT -5
Hosmer is more valuable. I don't get the logic. If any exists. So the net return for Jay Groome is this Jag
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 16, 2022 17:33:49 GMT -5
Eh, don’t really like it Maybe he’s a good reliever next year for us though, never know with these guys Mills right now is like an upgraded version of John Schreiber on the day we acquired him
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 16, 2022 17:35:10 GMT -5
Hosmer is more valuable. I don't get the logic. If any exists. So the net return for Jay Groome is this Jag The primary gain is the 36.78mil of extra luxury tax space they gained over the next 3 seasons due to San Diego paying off Hosmer's contract.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 16, 2022 17:37:04 GMT -5
Hosmer is more valuable. I don't get the logic. If any exists. So the net return for Jay Groome is this Jag The primary gain is the 36.78mil of extra luxury tax space they gained over the next 3 seasons due to San Diego paying off Hosmer's contract. Why trade for him to begin with? The logic is frustrating
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 16, 2022 17:39:44 GMT -5
The primary gain is the 36.78mil of extra luxury tax space they gained over the next 3 seasons due to San Diego paying off Hosmer's contract. Why trade for him to begin with Their 1B were a disaster last year so they plugged in a reliably meh player.
There's a good chance Jay Groome would have been DFA'ed by now if we still had him
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 16, 2022 17:40:01 GMT -5
Jay Groome is, in all likelihood, also a JAG.
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Post by curtisw on Dec 16, 2022 17:40:33 GMT -5
There really must be something coming. They’ve been almost dead silent since X left. Couple of very minor moves until this one (I guess you can count the Downs DFA but I mean…Idk how many of us had any faith there left).
If there isn’t and this was done because they don’t care at all for Hosmer and really like Mills…it’s kind of a head scratcher to me. It’s hard to believe they would really like Mills all that much but as a couple people have posted in this thread there is some evidence there’s real talent there to be unlocked. Around the same age we got Schreiber I think? Mills might be a year or so older actually.
Maybe I’m just desperate for something to happen, some talent to get brought in. I mean I am. But maybe this trade really did happen without anything else lined up.
Edit to say it just occurred to me that if something else were coming, maybe you wouldn’t include Mills because now they have to put him on the 40 man and if they try and sneak him through, my gut says he’s snagged. So it’s not clearing 40 man space. Maybe the simplest explanation really is that they liked Mills a lot, don’t like Hosmer, believe a ton in Casas, and did it now before they try and do anything else all that serious?
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 16, 2022 17:41:53 GMT -5
I did not have Hosmer being DFA’d before Spring Training on my offseason bingo card.
The only way I can make sense of this is that there’s an impending trade for bat…
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