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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Dec 18, 2022 20:31:12 GMT -5
He had a reverse split in 2022, .809 vs. RHP, .734 vs. LHP. For his career, he has a moderate reverse split. So, I think he's going to be the lead DH against all kinds of P. He was the same hitter as JDM last year - JDM, 117 OPS-plus; JT, 116 OPS-plus - so I'm not sure I understand passing on JDM at one year, $10M and giving this deal to Turner. I guess it's the positional versatility. Turner can play 1B against certain LHP and 3B when Raffy needs the occasional rest. But they already have Dalbec for that, so I'm not seeing the value added that Turner brings to justify the larger contract than JDM. Turner is a much better hitter than Dalbec. They both play 1st and 3B (but I can imagine he is much better at 1B - it would not take much).
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Post by dirtdog on Dec 18, 2022 20:34:30 GMT -5
Always liked him. I am sure a great locker room guy. I just wish he wasnt 38. At that age your ability to catch up to high fastballs can fall off a cliff overnight.
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 18, 2022 20:36:17 GMT -5
He had a reverse split in 2022, .809 vs. RHP, .734 vs. LHP. For his career, he has a moderate reverse split. So, I think he's going to be the lead DH against all kinds of P. He was the same hitter as JDM last year - JDM, 117 OPS-plus; JT, 116 OPS-plus - so I'm not sure I understand passing on JDM at one year, $10M and giving this deal to Turner. I guess it's the positional versatility. Turner can play 1B against certain LHP and 3B when Raffy needs the occasional rest. But they already have Dalbec for that, so I'm not seeing the value added that Turner brings to justify the larger contract than JDM. I think you just about answered your own question here. Acquiring Turner makes Dalbec expendable, since Turner can back up 1B (and 3B in a pinch) and DH full time. Arroyo can also play 3B, so assuming we acquire another starting middle IF, he and Turner would be enough to fully back up the infield. Dalbec does have options left and his value probably isn't very high, so I don't necessarily see him getting traded. He might just start back in AAA as depth.
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Post by orion09 on Dec 18, 2022 20:36:22 GMT -5
I'm going with Rosenthal on this one. No idea how this works in terms of AAV Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal Terms on Justin Turner with Red Sox, per source: Two years, $21.7M if he exercises player option for 2024, one year, $15M if he does not. Can also earn $200K each in ‘23 for 480, 500, 520, 540 and 560 plate appearances. Maximum $1M. Pending physical. Pretty sure player options are treated like guaranteed years, so AAV would be $10.85M. Incentives would be applied to the AAV for that year retroactively, I think?
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Post by tizzle on Dec 18, 2022 20:39:25 GMT -5
CHAMPIONSHIP. MLB shouldn't even bother the formality of playing out the season.
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Post by greenmonster on Dec 18, 2022 20:42:13 GMT -5
about a month ago the Sox lost out on Jose Abreu, then more recently were rumored to be interested in a reunion with JD. Turner seems like option C as a piece to a larger plan. Not sure what that is at this point Dalbac trade? Devers trade?? Casas trade???
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Post by buffs4444 on Dec 18, 2022 20:42:34 GMT -5
The World Series celebration guy. Interesting….
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Post by manfred on Dec 18, 2022 20:44:42 GMT -5
about a month ago the Sox lost out on Jose Abreu, then more recently were rumored to be interested in a reunion with JD. Turner seems like option C as a piece to a larger plan. Not sure what that is at this point Dalbac trade? Devers trade?? Casas trade??? I’d love to see Dalbec trade. Package with Duran for… ah, hell, who knows what that’s worth. But I’ll take it.
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 18, 2022 20:46:26 GMT -5
Always liked him. I am sure a great locker room guy. I just wish he wasnt 38. At that age your ability to catch up to high fastballs can fall off a cliff overnight. If it makes you feel better, his K rate was only 16.7% last year and he added 1 run on four seamers. Compare to 24.3% and 0 for JDM. I've heard folks saying his bat speed isn't what it used to be, so he may struggle with extreme velocity. I wouldn't be surprised if he sits more against guys like that. Still, I'm not expecting him to rack up K's either. He can definitely still hit.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 18, 2022 20:50:37 GMT -5
He had a reverse split in 2022, .809 vs. RHP, .734 vs. LHP. For his career, he has a moderate reverse split. So, I think he's going to be the lead DH against all kinds of P. He was the same hitter as JDM last year - JDM, 117 OPS-plus; JT, 116 OPS-plus - so I'm not sure I understand passing on JDM at one year, $10M and giving this deal to Turner. I guess it's the positional versatility. Turner can play 1B against certain LHP and 3B when Raffy needs the occasional rest. But they already have Dalbec for that, so I'm not seeing the value added that Turner brings to justify the larger contract than JDM. I think you just about answered your own question here. Acquiring Turner makes Dalbec expendable, since Turner can back up 1B (and 3B in a pinch) and DH full time. Arroyo can also play 3B, so assuming we acquire another starting middle IF, he and Turner would be enough to fully back up the infield. Dalbec does have options left and his value probably isn't very high, so I don't necessarily see him getting traded. He might just start back in AAA as depth.
But what are we getting for Dalbec? He won't bring much in a trade. I don't think having Dalbec, Casas and JDM on the team would mean a roster clog. I'd also note that while we all get frustrated with Bobby D., his career OPS vs. LHP is a solid .855. Look, I don't feel strongly about it either way. Neither JDM or JT is going to lift the 2023 RS to greatness. I'd just prefer to pay JDM for one year over potentially paying JT for two through his age 39 season.
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Post by kwodes on Dec 18, 2022 20:51:11 GMT -5
about a month ago the Sox lost out on Jose Abreu, then more recently were rumored to be interested in a reunion with JD. Turner seems like option C as a piece to a larger plan. Not sure what that is at this point Dalbac trade? Devers trade?? Casas trade??? I’d love to see Dalbec trade. Package with Duran for… ah, hell, who knows what that’s worth. But I’ll take it. Dalbec and Duran to the royals for Barlow? Seems like a feasible option
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 18, 2022 21:33:59 GMT -5
Does anyone know the terms of the deal definitively yet?
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Post by Guidas on Dec 18, 2022 21:45:08 GMT -5
So this is where we’re at - many people somewhat excited about a 38 year old DH/Occasional Corner Guy who’s declining so rapidly that the guy many of you couldn’t wait to get rid of - JDM - is replacing him in LA? Really?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 18, 2022 21:47:17 GMT -5
So this is where we’re at - many people somewhat excited about a 38 year old DH/Occasional Corner Guy who’s declining so rapidly that the guy many of you couldn’t wait to get rid of - JDM - is replacing him in LA? Really? Thank you - THIS. I was just coming to post that. We have utterly lowered our expectations for this team to complete mediocrity or worse. Ouch.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 18, 2022 21:47:46 GMT -5
So this is where we’re at - many people somewhat excited about a 38 year old DH/Occasional Corner Guy who’s declining so rapidly that the guy many of you couldn’t wait to get rid of - JDM - is replacing him in LA? Really?
Turner got a better deal and has 1.4, 1.4 and 2.4 more WAR than JD the last three years.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 18, 2022 21:48:30 GMT -5
Does anyone know the terms of the deal definitively yet? Speier has it as a 1 year at $8.3M with a player option for a second year at $13.4M. So I believe that gives it an AAV of $10.35M unless he somehow declines the player option in his age 39 season.
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Post by dirtdog on Dec 18, 2022 21:48:37 GMT -5
So this is where we’re at - many people somewhat excited about a 38 year old DH/Occasional Corner Guy who’s declining so rapidly that the guy many of you couldn’t wait to get rid of - JDM - is replacing him in LA? Really? To sum up your post: Off season underwhelming so far? Unless a trade coming that is where I am at.
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Post by manfred on Dec 18, 2022 21:50:32 GMT -5
Does anyone know the terms of the deal definitively yet? Speier has it as a 1 year at $8.3M with a player option for a second year at $11.4M. So I believe that gives it an AAV of $9.35M unless he somehow declines the player option in his age 39 season. Does it matter? I find this confusing: do they average the two, or do they just count the certain year then count the option next year if it comes to that?
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Post by Guidas on Dec 18, 2022 21:50:36 GMT -5
So this is where we’re at - many people somewhat excited about a 38 year old DH/Occasional Corner Guy who’s declining so rapidly that the guy many of you couldn’t wait to get rid of - JDM - is replacing him in LA? Really? Turner got a better deal and has 1.4, 1.4 and 2.4 more WAR than JD the last three years.
And yet LAD signed JDM to replace JT. Go figure.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 18, 2022 22:00:33 GMT -5
Doubt he’s as much of a base clogger as JD is too Unfortunately statcast has JD at 26.1 ft/sec as opposed to 25 ft/sec for Turner.
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Post by scotsman13 on Dec 18, 2022 22:01:10 GMT -5
So this is where we’re at - many people somewhat excited about a 38 year old DH/Occasional Corner Guy who’s declining so rapidly that the guy many of you couldn’t wait to get rid of - JDM - is replacing him in LA? Really? Agree., to me the only reason this signing could make sense to me is because he can play 3B, and this signing precedes another move. Is he really that much better than Hosmer as a DH/1B, for the additional $14M in 2023? Hosmer hit LH pitchers better than right too.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 18, 2022 22:02:43 GMT -5
Turner got a better deal and has 1.4, 1.4 and 2.4 more WAR than JD the last three years.
And yet LAD signed JDM to replace JT. Go figure. Like the Red Sox (apparently) the Dodgers are planning to stay under the tax this year. And the have the Trevor Bauer contract (possibly) hanging over their heads.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 18, 2022 22:09:49 GMT -5
Doubt he’s as much of a base clogger as JD is too Unfortunately statcast has JD at 26.1 ft/sec as opposed to 25 ft/sec for Turner. But Turner has had much more base running value pretty consistently so maybe he’s a smarter runner or gets better reads on the ball?
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 18, 2022 22:12:38 GMT -5
Turner got a better deal and has 1.4, 1.4 and 2.4 more WAR than JD the last three years.
And yet LAD signed JDM to replace JT. Go figure. "And yet Boston signed JT to replace JDM. Go figure." - Someone on DodgersProspects.com, probably
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 18, 2022 22:13:23 GMT -5
So this is where we’re at - many people somewhat excited about a 38 year old DH/Occasional Corner Guy who’s declining so rapidly that the guy many of you couldn’t wait to get rid of - JDM - is replacing him in LA? Really? I think most here, based on what I’ve read, also would have been about equally okay if they brought JD back instead. He’s a good hitter who fits a role the team needed why shouldn’t people be “somewhat excited”?
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