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Post by Jonathan Singer on Apr 22, 2013 8:58:09 GMT -5
4/22 Red Sox (LHP Felix Doubront 1-0 4.50) vs. Athletics (RHP A.J. Griffin 2-0 2.25) 6:35 pm ET, NESN/WEEI4/23 Red Sox (RHP Alfredo Aceves 1-0 6.28) vs. Athletics (RHP Bartolo Colon 2-0 3.32) 6:35 pm ET, NESN/WEEI4/24 Red Sox (LHP Jon Lester 3-0 1.73) vs. Athletics (LHP Brett Anderson 1-3 5.95) 4:05 pm ET, NESN/WEEIMLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 22, 2013 9:04:50 GMT -5
4/23 Red Sox (RHP Alfredo Aceves 1-0 6.28) vs. Athletics(RHP Bartolo Colon ) 6:35 pm ET, NESN/WEEI My body is ready.
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Post by jmei on Apr 22, 2013 9:15:17 GMT -5
Farrell has been underwhelming with his tactical decisions, especially with regards to bullpen management (exception: yanking Hanrahan after two batters when it was clear he had nothing), baserunning, and lineups (hitting Saltalamacchia fifth, not finding ABs for Carp). That said, the players love him, he deserves at least some credit for how good the starting pitching has been so far, and he's handled the media-driven "controversies" (JBJ's slow start, Iglesias/Drew, Hanrahan/Bailey) as well as can be expected. His extensive use of defensive shifts has also been a welcome change. Yeah, he'll cost the team a few runs here or there with boneheaded moves, but his ability to manage the clubhouse and deal with the media seems intuitively more important to me, even it's much more difficult (/impossible) to translate that into WPA.
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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 22, 2013 9:36:43 GMT -5
And what manager doesn't make a few boneheaded moves (to the ans, in hindsight anyway) throughout the year.
ADD: not saying we should give hi a pass for blunders, or that I like th way he manages the bullpen so far, just that no manager will be perfect trough the year.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 22, 2013 9:52:46 GMT -5
Long story short. I'm happy the Red Sox have a manager who isn't a sociopath, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to want him to manage his bullpen better.
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Post by jimoh on Apr 22, 2013 10:51:16 GMT -5
I'm really looking forward to the thousands of posts lamenting each time our manager takes a reliever out after one inning. Each of them is so fascinating, so insightful, so refreshingly original and valuable.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Apr 22, 2013 11:36:30 GMT -5
Then you're going to LOVE what happens every time a base runner gets thrown out trying to steal.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 22, 2013 11:40:22 GMT -5
Long story short. I'm happy the Red Sox have a manager who isn't a sociopath, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to want him to manage his bullpen better. I'm not saying anyone is wrong, but it's important to keep in mind a couple things when criticizing bullpen management: 1. The manager knows a lot more information than we do about everything that goes into this decision 2. The manager needs to think long and short-term at the same time. Maybe he really didn't want to use Bailey at all yesterday, but did to give the team the best chance to win. Everyone cites that he only threw 10 pitches, but ignores the fact that it was his 4th appearance in 5 days (not games), 5th in 7 and 6th in 9. He's been used A LOT. It's really not fair to say he miss managed his by only focusing on the 10 pitches in 1 inning without acknowledging the rest of this. The greater point on bullpen management may be true, but I think using this example for Bailey is the wrong one to use. DATE IP TPIT 4/13 1.0 12 4/15 1.0 26 4/17 1.0 16 4/18 1.0 13 4/20 1.0 22 4/21 1.0 10
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 22, 2013 12:16:14 GMT -5
As I said in yesterdays thread, I had a bigger problem with him using Mortensen, who has some durability, for only 13 pitches in the first game of the doubleheader. That didn't cost them the game, but it was just unnecessary.
If it's true he didn't want to use Bailey at all, he could have gone for Tazawa for two innings. I know Farrell has stated that he prefers not to use Uehara for multiple innings, and that's fine. There have been a lot of people who were pointing out that Farrell was too quick with the hook on his relievers in games that they were winning, too. This isn't really a one game reaction.
It's frustrating, but I'm not sure how big a deal it is. Farrell's overall a pretty good manager I think, and his major negative happens to be something most every manager does poorly too. My guess is they'll get back as many games from other managers misusing their bullpen as they'll give up from it.
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Post by sammo420 on Apr 22, 2013 12:50:46 GMT -5
(RHP Bartolo Colon 2-0 3.32)
How many souls did this guy sell to the devil anyway?
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Post by bluechip on Apr 22, 2013 12:56:27 GMT -5
If Farrell did not want to use Bailey yesterday, then his decision to use him Saturday was incredibly stupid. Farrell knew that he had an upcoming double header when used him on Saturday. Tazawa could have closed Saturday pretty easily.
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Post by joshv02 on Apr 22, 2013 12:56:45 GMT -5
Farrell has been underwhelming with his tactical decisions, I disagree. He used a C as the DH yesterday. He has also pinch hit for his Cs. He has shuffled Nava into the lineup early and often. I'm a bit agnostic (but leaning towards disliking) the baserunning decisions, but it is early. (They are likely at negative runs in any base-out evaluation of baserunning, but small numbers easily sway things.) I think he has been fairly aggressive. And he even had Nava bat in the middle of the lineup after a very short evaluation of his skill, and is basically doing a lineup position platoon with Victorino -- something that is relatively rare. His bullpen management has been pretty good, too (it isn't his fault that Miller still can't find homeplate in the second game of a double header without a next-day off-day).
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 22, 2013 13:18:28 GMT -5
If Farrell did not want to use Bailey yesterday, then his decision to use him Saturday was incredibly stupid. Farrell knew that he had an upcoming double header when used him on Saturday. Tazawa could have closed Saturday pretty easily. Incredibly stupid?? How in the hell do you even know you're going to have a save situation the following day? You have to try to get the win at hand. Then, worry about how you're going to win the next day. Nava hit a huge HR to give us the lead and using Bailey was the best choice to nail that win down.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 22, 2013 14:06:08 GMT -5
If Farrell did not want to use Bailey yesterday, then his decision to use him Saturday was incredibly stupid. Farrell knew that he had an upcoming double header when used him on Saturday. Tazawa could have closed Saturday pretty easily. Incredibly stupid?? How in the hell do you even know you're going to have a save situation the following day? You have to try to get the win at hand. Then, worry about how you're going to win the next day. Nava hit a huge HR to give us the lead and using Bailey was the best choice to nail that win down. He knew he had two games on the morrow. Odds are that at some point in those two games Baily was going to be needed. People were speculating that Farrell was concerned about Baily's use. If Farrell was concerned about the amount of Bailey's use, the day to be concerned was Saturday, and not a Sunday when the team was playing a doubleheader. You say Baily was "the best choice to nail down that [saturday] win". The results disagree, uehara and Tazawa have been every bit as good or better than Baily thus far, and could have been used Saturday if Farrell was worried about overworking Baily. If Farrell was not concerned about Baily's use and chose not to pitch him two innings Sunday only because he thinks relief pitchers should only throw one inning, then that is also silly.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 22, 2013 14:17:14 GMT -5
Incredibly stupid?? How in the hell do you even know you're going to have a save situation the following day? You have to try to get the win at hand. Then, worry about how you're going to win the next day. Nava hit a huge HR to give us the lead and using Bailey was the best choice to nail that win down. He knew he had two games on the morrow. Odds are that at some point in those two games Baily was going to be needed. People were speculating that Farrell was concerned about Baily's use. If Farrell was concerned about the amount of Bailey's use, the day to be concerned was Saturday, and not a Sunday when the team was playing a doubleheader. You say Baily was "the best choice to nail down that [saturday] win". The results disagree, uehara and Tazawa have been every bit as good or better than Baily thus far, and could have been used Saturday if Farrell was worried about overworking Baily. If Farrell was not concerned about Baily's use and chose not to pitch him two innings Sunday only because he thinks relief pitchers should only throw one inning, then that is also silly. You're wrong. I'm glad John Farrell did what he did. We won. It did not cost us anything on Sunday. Some incredibly stupid base-running and Uehara did. There is no guarantee we would have won that game on Saturday if Tazawa or Uehara pitched. See,I can play that game too.
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Post by mattpicard on Apr 22, 2013 16:30:01 GMT -5
Farrell has been underwhelming with his tactical decisions, I disagree. He used a C as the DH yesterday. Well, I don't think you should lead off your defense of him being an underwhelming tactical manager by supporting Salty being a #5 hitting DH in his second game of the day. Any time he puts Salty that high in the order, or uses the DH spot on him with better options available, he's not making the best move. Now tonight's lineup is more like it. This is probably the best possible lineup vs a RHP. You can argue Nava should be i the 2 slot, but that just hurts the production in the end part of the middle of the lineup. Ellsbury CF Victorino RF Pedroia 2B Ortiz DH Napoli 1B Nava LF Middlebrooks 3B Saltalamacchia C Drew SS
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Post by bluechip on Apr 22, 2013 16:32:38 GMT -5
Is there any particular reason for the usual start times this series?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 22, 2013 16:40:57 GMT -5
(RHP Bartolo Colon 2-0 3.32) How many souls did this guy sell to the devil anyway? Just one, but it's really heavy.
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Post by mattpicard on Apr 22, 2013 17:07:52 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Apr 22, 2013 17:35:46 GMT -5
Farrell stated that he prefers Bailey to only go one-inning stints because, as a former closer, that's his routine and his adrenaline levels drop (making him less effective) if he goes multiple innings. Not sure I totally buy it, but it's at least a plausible explanation.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 22, 2013 17:50:53 GMT -5
Man, Oakland's lineup... this team was in the playoffs last year?
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Post by mattpicard on Apr 22, 2013 18:00:49 GMT -5
Man, Oakland's lineup... this team was in the playoffs last year? And yet they lead the AL in runs scored.
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Post by jmei on Apr 22, 2013 18:00:51 GMT -5
Man, Oakland's lineup... this team was in the playoffs last year? Famous last words.
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Post by mattpicard on Apr 22, 2013 18:14:27 GMT -5
Including that last AB, Middlebrooks with an 0-2 count is 0-for-18 with ten strikeouts.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 22, 2013 18:16:04 GMT -5
Including that last AB, Middlebrooks with an 0-2 count is 0-for-18 with ten strikeouts. HAS to be a nagging injury..
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