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Post by wcp3 on Apr 22, 2013 20:10:00 GMT -5
Shocker. Doubront won't get us 6 innings tonight. What a fucking joke. Especially after a day we needed him to go deep cause of the DH yesterday. I'm so sick of watching him pitcher. Morales better get the spot when he gets healthy. I have the same frustrations regarding Doubront, but I still love these mid-game posts. Also, Morales definitely shouldn't get a spot in the rotation when he's healthy - he's not nearly as good a starter as Felix.
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Post by mredsox89 on Apr 22, 2013 20:14:36 GMT -5
My baseball friends have asked me why I just get the MLB radio instead of MLB TV as I live out of market. Besides the cost, it is mostly because I would much rather listen to Joe then to Don and Jerry. As a kid they were fine, but now I find their tangents useless when I do catch a game on NESN I usually use the WEEI audio feed with the NESN video feed on MLBTV. But it cuts out and goes back to the NESN audio every once in a while
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Post by soxfan06 on Apr 22, 2013 20:15:04 GMT -5
I get the whole, catchers are pretty bad hitters aspect. But Salty is not an above average hitter. The only thing he does better than most catchers is hit home runs and that doesn't make up for his other horrible deficiencies. These stats are out of 36 players who have 700 ABs as a catcher over the past 4 seasons: He has the 2nd highest K rate behind only Kelly Shoppach. 22nd in walk rate, 21st in wOBA, 30rd in AVG, 31st in OBP, 20th in OPS, 6th in SLG, 25th in wRC+. Really there is nothing to suggest he is a competent hitter. Just someone who can turn on a fastball. Granted if you go back four years ago, he was not above average offensively. Nevertheless, if you go back over the last two years, he has a 2.1 wRAA, so by at least that definition, he was above average offensively for any position. So we just get to use any sample size we would like that fits our argument?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 22, 2013 20:16:03 GMT -5
I love how much anger gets expressed at a player's inherent limitations. Oh, it's a "joke" that he can't go past six innings regularly? Well, you go do it. Not like being a starting pitcher is hard or anything.
Doubront's a back-end starter; those guys don't go deep into games. The world needs ditch diggers too.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 22, 2013 20:19:29 GMT -5
I love how much anger gets expressed at a player's inherent limitations. Oh, it's a "joke" that he can't go past six innings regularly? Well, you go do it. Not like being a starting pitcher is hard or anything. Doubront's a back-end starter; those guys don't go deep into games. The world needs ditch diggers too. exactly. Most fifth starters, are fifth starters for a reason, most dont go deep every game
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Post by Guidas on Apr 22, 2013 20:20:47 GMT -5
Granted if you go back four years ago, he was not above average offensively. Nevertheless, if you go back over the last two years, he has a 2.1 wRAA, so by at least that definition, he was above average offensively for any position. So we just get to use any sample size we would like that fits our argument? Made careers for Nick Cafardo, Sean McAdam and Pete Abraham.
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Post by mredsox89 on Apr 22, 2013 20:28:23 GMT -5
Doubront has gone 6+ in 18 of his last 31 (58%) starts, and 5+ in 26/31 (84%). I really don't see how thats that bad of a thing from your 5th starter. Certainly not a sign that they should go with Morales, who went 6+ in 3 of 9 starts last season, didn't start at all in 2010 or 2011, and has gone 6+ innings in 8 for 26 career starts
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 22, 2013 20:28:38 GMT -5
Doubront's a back-end starter; those guys don't go deep into games. The world needs ditch diggers too. Agree with you as usual, but it is a little frustrating watching a guy with mid-rotation stuff "only" be a back-end starter. Yes, not everyone pitches to his ability, but Felix is a lefty with three good pitches and legitimate swing-and-miss stuff (in 177.2 innings the past two seasons, he has 188 strikeouts). He isn't showing many signs of improving his command, so I'm not optimistic he'll ever put it all together. But he is only 25, so there's still a chance.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 22, 2013 20:32:55 GMT -5
Granted if you go back four years ago, he was not above average offensively. Nevertheless, if you go back over the last two years, he has a 2.1 wRAA, so by at least that definition, he was above average offensively for any position. So we just get to use any sample size we would like that fits our argument? If you got back to 2011-2013 he has a wRAA of 3.1, again still above average. I was simply using the sample since he became a full-time player for the red sox.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 22, 2013 20:34:00 GMT -5
Come on Mortenson, don't rob me of a Steven wright sighting.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 22, 2013 20:41:02 GMT -5
This is getting ugly fast.
ADDED: Who can they bring up tomorrow? This pen is spent. Wilson could go down but then bring up who...? Martin would be my choice strait from AA but he's not on the 40.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 22, 2013 20:43:29 GMT -5
As there has been some discussion of bullpen usage lately, this situation is probably the most critical of the entire game.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 22, 2013 20:47:14 GMT -5
I am soooo happy Victorino and not Nava is in right.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 22, 2013 20:47:16 GMT -5
Victorino is a hero.
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Post by jmei on Apr 22, 2013 20:47:43 GMT -5
What a ****ing mess. Hanrahan can't get back fast enough.
PS: Why is Steven Wright even on the roster? If you can't go to your long reliever for two innings while up six runs and with a depleted bullpen, why even call him up at all? Even if he was the only MLB-ready pitcher on the 40-man, if you're not going to use him, might as well get a pinch-runner/defensive replacement (Bradley? Iglesias?) instead.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 22, 2013 20:49:22 GMT -5
Seriously. Seems like Bradley or Iglesias might be more likely to actually pitch than Wright at this point...
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Post by bluechip on Apr 22, 2013 20:50:35 GMT -5
ADDED: Who can they bring up tomorrow? This pen is spent. Wilson could go down but then bring up who...? Martin would be my choice strait from AA but he's not on the 40. The 40 man roster really does not have a ton of flexibility at the moment.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 22, 2013 20:52:46 GMT -5
PS: Why is Steven Wright even on the roster? If you can't go to your long reliever for two innings while up six runs and with a depleted bullpen, why even call him up at all? Even if he was the only MLB-ready pitcher on the 40-man, if you're not going to use him, might as well get a pinch-runner/defensive replacement (Bradley? Iglesias?) instead. There must be a disconnect between Cherington and Farrell as to Wright because Farrell does not seem to know what to do with Wright.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 22, 2013 20:55:50 GMT -5
PS: Why is a knuckleballer on the roster? It's such a terrible pitch, and Wright's an awful pitcher and person. Couldn't agree more!!
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Post by mredsox89 on Apr 22, 2013 20:57:12 GMT -5
ADDED: Who can they bring up tomorrow? This pen is spent. Wilson could go down but then bring up who...? Martin would be my choice strait from AA but he's not on the 40. The 40 man roster really does not have a ton of flexibility at the moment. They probably don't need both Holt and Ciriaco on the 40, or 5 catchers (would Butler be the first to go?) Not being able to have Bard/Morales/Breslow is the only real problem at the moment, because that's where all the depth is in the pen. Wright is an emergency starter/reliever right now
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 22, 2013 21:00:46 GMT -5
Soooo... Junichi Tazawa for eight pitches, two-thirds of an inning, and then Andrew Bailey for the third day in a row?
Someone defend this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 21:02:15 GMT -5
It's so convenient to have a reliever like Tazawa that can come in and get a few outs when the game is on the line. For example, the eighth inning when there were runners on 1st and 2nd, Tazawa came in and got two outs to end the inning.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 22, 2013 21:03:44 GMT -5
Soooo... Junichi Tazawa for eight pitches, two-thirds of an inning, and then Andrew Bailey for the third day in a row? Someone defend this. ...if Grady were the manager, Mortensen would still be pitching?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 22, 2013 21:06:56 GMT -5
It's so convenient to have a reliever like Tazawa that can come in and get a few outs when the game is on the line. For example, the eighth inning when there were runners on 1st and 2nd, Tazawa came in and got two outs to end the inning. And he threw more warmup pitches than game pitches. And Bailey, who I was told couldn't go more than ten pitches last night because he's such a fragile flower or whatever, is back for the third night in a row, because it's the ninth inning and he pitches the ninth inning. Managing by autopilot.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 22, 2013 21:08:48 GMT -5
Can someone explain why the hell Don and Jerry have spent the entire half inning discussing their hair and how they like to be filmed to show off their hair? The game isn't that boring. They're terrible I'm now convinced that NESN management has decided that they want this; they're basically running a Don and Jerry Reality Show within the Red Sox broadcast. Probably increases "audience engagement" or some other such buzzwordy nonsense. I've held this theory for a while now. A few years ago, they had some actual organic, funny tangents on occasion that were funny to listen to. A year later, it seemed like they had some focus group that provided feedback that they liked it, because they started doing it a lot more often. Now it's insufferable.
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