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2023 SoxProspects Ranking Updates
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Post by kingstephanos on Oct 3, 2023 7:16:31 GMT -5
How Soxprospects' offseason Top 10 compares to other sites will be something to watch.
From the emergence of Anthony, to the injuries for Bleis and Mayer - player hierarchy may be very different from site to site.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Oct 3, 2023 7:53:28 GMT -5
We're still chatting internally - right now we are tentatively planning on publishing our end-of-season rankings update on or around Wednesday November 22. That will allow us to digest a bunch of end-of-season scouting reports and data, take in the AFL, and monitor some season-end transactions including 40-man roster additions.
We're not currently planning on releasing an interim update before then. Things to watch for in November will be how the top 5 shakes out (more likely how 3-4-5 plays out, we'll see), a possible bump up for Felix Cepeda, and re-examining where we're ranking Brandon Walter.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Oct 6, 2023 13:27:02 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, did you change your mind on the interim update?
Kelly mentions that Rafaela is up to #3 is SoxProspects.com rankings in the writeup today. I'm curious to see how this moves others around if confirmed.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Oct 6, 2023 13:36:00 GMT -5
That's Nick's write-up. Just a typo we will fix.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Oct 6, 2023 14:40:58 GMT -5
Certainly speaks well of the system when the two time player of the year is mentioned as being rated third and the suggestion is it is a typo and that it may be too high
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 6, 2023 14:52:16 GMT -5
To be clear, doesn't mean he either is or is not moving up to 3. Just that this wasn't based on some list that's not out yet or something.
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Post by stunzisox on Oct 24, 2023 10:44:28 GMT -5
We're still chatting internally - right now we are tentatively planning on publishing our end-of-season rankings update on or around Wednesday November 22. That will allow us to digest a bunch of end-of-season scouting reports and data, take in the AFL, and monitor some season-end transactions including 40-man roster additions. We're not currently planning on releasing an interim update before then. Things to watch for in November will be how the top 5 shakes out (more likely how 3-4-5 plays out, we'll see), a possible bump up for Felix Cepeda, and re-examining where we're ranking Brandon Walter. I've got 11/22 marked on the old google calendar for the EOS Rankings...but that doesn't mean I don't check for thread updates daily with my fingers firmly crossed. Can we just move Penrod into the top 20 and release them early...
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Post by stevedillard on Oct 24, 2023 11:42:43 GMT -5
Does BA still do by-league end of year rankings with manager comments? it was the most exciting bit of info into the FSL and low A ball prospects relative to their peers.
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Oct 24, 2023 11:53:44 GMT -5
Does BA still do by-league end of year rankings with manager comments? it was the most exciting bit of info into the FSL and low A ball prospects relative to their peers. No, last year they ended the comprehensive league lists. Now they only do the ACL and FCL. It’s a big loss imo, but I guess their web traffic data must say otherwise.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 24, 2023 12:02:34 GMT -5
Does BA still do by-league end of year rankings with manager comments? it was the most exciting bit of info into the FSL and low A ball prospects relative to their peers. No, last year they ended the comprehensive league lists. Now they only do the ACL and FCL. It’s a big loss imo, but I guess their web traffic data must say otherwise. It also probably complicated matters when, say, they didn't line up with their main lists. I could see them determining that the time was better spent on making the main lists better rather than pumping out league lists as well.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Nov 20, 2023 11:09:30 GMT -5
Shooting to have the 2023 season-end rankings up before Thanksgiving! Most likely time will be sometime Wednesday before noon. Still ironing out some stuff.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Nov 22, 2023 8:44:41 GMT -5
End-of-the Season Rankings are live: www.soxprospects.com(You may have to hit refresh) GraduatesEnmannuel Valdez graduated DebutsHector Olivarez debuts at No. 49 Elvis Soto debuts at 55 Connelly Early debuts at 56 Luis Cohen debuts at 58 Hayden Mullins debuts at 59 Notable RisersRoman Anthony up to 1 from 2 Kyle Teel up to 3 from 5 Wilyer Abreu up to 8 from 12 Chase Meidroth up to 12 from 16 Allan Castro up to 13 from 17 Eddinson Paulino up to 16 from 20 Yordanny Monegro up to 20 from 25 Hunter Dobbins up to 23 from 28 Franklin Arias up to 30 from 43 Christopher Troye up to 33 from 39 Felix Cepeda up to 46 from 54 Reidis Sena up to 47 from 55 Notable FallersBrandon Walter from 15 to 32 Matthew Lugo from 45 to 53 Notes-As you might notice, there haven't been any regular season games since our last update on September 8. This month's changes are based on a fulsome review of our own internal reports, a deep dive into 2023 season peripheral stats, discussions with scouts, reports from Fall/Winter ball, and some consideration towards player contract/roster status. We tend to "start fresh" with this update and don't just shuffle players from where they were last month. -We will be updating multiple scouting reports over the course of today to align with the update. -We removed Brainer Bonaci from the rankings due to the uncertainty of his status -As always, please keep in mind that just because a player moved a couple spots in either direction it does not necessarily mean we think more or less of that player at the time of that given update compared to last month. New prospects debut in the rankings, players graduate, other prospects make big jumps around that player. It's all relative. The player grade may not have changed.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 22, 2023 10:16:38 GMT -5
Great job as always. Was a bit surprised that Chris' droth rose.
Just for fun, go to home and scroll down while looking at the age column.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 22, 2023 10:42:22 GMT -5
Was a bit surprised that Chris' droth rose. Appreciate the kind words. Feel like I can speak some on this one. After a pretty nasty slump in the early summer he was really good again at the end of the year. .283/.433/.396 from 8/8 onward. He's not the most physical-looking guy, and I was getting a little concerned that he was wearing down during the slump, so being able to get through that full season and make an adjustment to be playing well in the last quarter was really a positive development. A big thing was also that his defense went from a concern to a potential positive. He's not a rangy guy but he's got really good hands, a quick release, he's really good at getting good jumps on pop-ups which bodes well if he needs to play the outfield in a utility role. The bat control and pitch recognition were as good as hoped. He's very good at not chasing bad pitches, he's not getting himself out. A development point in year two is going to be hitting the ball with authority more consistently.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 22, 2023 12:41:20 GMT -5
Cool, we have an Elvis (Soto) sighting.
Somebody had to say it, lol.
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Post by nomar on Nov 22, 2023 13:04:57 GMT -5
Was a bit surprised that Chris' droth rose. Appreciate the kind words. Feel like I can speak some on this one. After a pretty nasty slump in the early summer he was really good again at the end of the year. .283/.433/.396 from 8/8 onward. He's not the most physical-looking guy, and I was getting a little concerned that he was wearing down during the slump, so being able to get through that full season and make an adjustment to be playing well in the last quarter was really a positive development. A big thing was also that his defense went from a concern to a potential positive. He's not a rangy guy but he's got really good hands, a quick release, he's really good at getting good jumps on pop-ups which bodes well if he needs to play the outfield in a utility role. The bat control and pitch recognition were as good as hoped. He's very good at not chasing bad pitches, he's not getting himself out. A development point in year two is going to be hitting the ball with authority more consistently. My issue with him is that he gets a lot of his offense from walks, which won’t translate to the MLB since he’s not a threat to hit the ball hard. He doesn’t limit Ks that well either. It’s hard for me to see him making the jump successfully but I hope I’m wrong. I kind of view Teel similarly offensively, but he’s a potentially plus glove at C so that’s a bit different.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Nov 22, 2023 13:23:21 GMT -5
Appreciate the kind words. Feel like I can speak some on this one. After a pretty nasty slump in the early summer he was really good again at the end of the year. .283/.433/.396 from 8/8 onward. He's not the most physical-looking guy, and I was getting a little concerned that he was wearing down during the slump, so being able to get through that full season and make an adjustment to be playing well in the last quarter was really a positive development. A big thing was also that his defense went from a concern to a potential positive. He's not a rangy guy but he's got really good hands, a quick release, he's really good at getting good jumps on pop-ups which bodes well if he needs to play the outfield in a utility role. The bat control and pitch recognition were as good as hoped. He's very good at not chasing bad pitches, he's not getting himself out. A development point in year two is going to be hitting the ball with authority more consistently. My issue with him is that he gets a lot of his offense from walks, which won’t translate to the MLB since he’s not a threat to hit the ball hard. He doesn’t limit Ks that well either. It’s hard for me to see him making the jump successfully but I hope I’m wrong. I kind of view Teel similarly offensively, but he’s a potentially plus glove at C so that’s a bit different. Very strongly disagree with the implication that Kyle Teel isn't a threat to hit the ball hard.
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 22, 2023 13:54:54 GMT -5
Anthony passing Mayer and Teel pressing Rafaela are pretty interesting. I think I agree with both. I also love to see Abreu up to 8.
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Post by nomar on Nov 22, 2023 19:26:31 GMT -5
My issue with him is that he gets a lot of his offense from walks, which won’t translate to the MLB since he’s not a threat to hit the ball hard. He doesn’t limit Ks that well either. It’s hard for me to see him making the jump successfully but I hope I’m wrong. I kind of view Teel similarly offensively, but he’s a potentially plus glove at C so that’s a bit different. Very strongly disagree with the implication that Kyle Teel isn't a threat to hit the ball hard. Yeah I meant that as more of an ISOp thing for him. His ISO in A and AA in a small sample was .107 and K Rate was 21% so we’ll see what next year holds. His LD% was extremely good so if that’s the case then he’ll be in good shape especially relative to his peers at C.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Nov 22, 2023 19:56:20 GMT -5
Noah Song at #60 is the big news here.
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Post by orion09 on Nov 22, 2023 20:25:30 GMT -5
End-of-the Season Rankings are live: www.soxprospects.com(You may have to hit refresh) GraduatesEnmannuel Valdez graduated DebutsHector Olivarez debuts at No. 49 Elvis Soto debuts at 55 Connelly Early debuts at 56 Luis Cohen debuts at 58 Hayden Mullins debuts at 59 Notable RisersRoman Anthony up to 1 from 2 Kyle Teel up to 3 from 5 Wilyer Abreu up to 8 from 12 Chase Meidroth up to 12 from 16 Allan Castro up to 13 from 17 Eddinson Paulino up to 16 from 20 Yordanny Monegro up to 20 from 25 Hunter Dobbins up to 23 from 28 Franklin Arias up to 30 from 43 Christopher Troye up to 33 from 39 Felix Cepeda up to 46 from 54 Reidis Sena up to 47 from 55 Notable FallersBrandon Walter from 15 to 32 Matthew Lugo from 45 to 53 Notes-As you might notice, there haven't been any regular season games since our last update on September 8. This month's changes are based on a fulsome review of our own internal reports, a deep dive into 2023 season peripheral stats, discussions with scouts, reports from Fall/Winter ball, and some consideration towards player contract/roster status. We tend to "start fresh" with this update and don't just shuffle players from where they were last month. -We will be updating multiple scouting reports over the course of today to align with the update. -We removed Brainer Bonaci from the rankings due to the uncertainty of his status -As always, please keep in mind that just because a player moved a couple spots in either direction it does not necessarily mean we think more or less of that player at the time of that given update compared to last month. New prospects debut in the rankings, players graduate, other prospects make big jumps around that player. It's all relative. The player grade may not have changed. One comment/suggestion - it would be very helpful to have the old rank (the one in parentheses) not reset as often as it seems to do. I know there is a rankings history page, but it’s very difficult to see at a glance who’s rising and who’s falling. Maybe you could keep the last ranking below the new one, instead of resetting them both to be the same?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 22, 2023 21:06:20 GMT -5
Noah Song at #60 is the big news here. Old news, that's where the staff decided to put him until he's had a normal off season.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Nov 23, 2023 8:18:28 GMT -5
One comment/suggestion - it would be very helpful to have the old rank (the one in parentheses) not reset as often as it seems to do. I know there is a rankings history page, but it’s very difficult to see at a glance who’s rising and who’s falling. Maybe you could keep the last ranking below the new one, instead of resetting them both to be the same? Thanks for the input orion, but it seems to conflict with itself. The old ranks only reset twice per year, at the start and the end of the season. We've heard the second request a few times before and responded to the reasoning on that. We don't think a comparison to last month's rankings is incredibly valuable, some readers tend to grossly overreact to a bump or drop 1-2 ranks in either direction, which oftentimes is just due to other prospects moving around that player. If readers are interested in the material month-to-month movement, that's why we do the monthly forum post.
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Post by jchang on Nov 30, 2023 18:34:53 GMT -5
One comment/suggestion - it would be very helpful to have the old rank (the one in parentheses) not reset as often as it seems to do. I know there is a rankings history page, but it’s very difficult to see at a glance who’s rising and who’s falling. Maybe you could keep the last ranking below the new one, instead of resetting them both to be the same? Thanks for the input orion, but it seems to conflict with itself. The old ranks only reset twice per year, at the start and the end of the season. We've heard the second request a few times before and responded to the reasoning on that. We don't think a comparison to last month's rankings is incredibly valuable, some readers tend to grossly overreact to a bump or drop 1-2 ranks in either direction, which oftentimes is just due to other prospects moving around that player. If readers are interested in the material month-to-month movement, that's why we do the monthly forum post. I started tracking changes since the Jul update this year. I believe I have the pre-season + June ranking that were still available. If anyone has older data, I can try incorporating it is a little messy qdpma.azurewebsites.net/zbaseball/soxprospectsranking.xlsx
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 30, 2023 18:50:48 GMT -5
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