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4/10-4/13 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by congusgambler33 on Apr 10, 2023 14:58:53 GMT -5
You lose Duvall for a period of time who had more impactful hits than any player on the team and come into face the Rays does not bode very well. it seem to have these injuries at this specific time.
This is immeasurable to the success or not of the team against the Rays who have everybody available. This team cannot afford this type of injury.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 10, 2023 15:13:49 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Apr 10, 2023 15:17:48 GMT -5
So… a few months. At least. Like 6 weeks in a cast even without surgery.
I feel really bad for the guy. Big year a few years ago, then hurt, then off to career start, now hurt again. So unlucky.
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Post by nomar on Apr 10, 2023 15:17:53 GMT -5
That’ll be a 60 day DL move then. Bobby gets another shot
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 10, 2023 15:21:41 GMT -5
If it's just a bone break I don't think that's a huge deal
Sounds like they might not be sure if there's ligament damage yet
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Apr 10, 2023 15:32:14 GMT -5
If it's just a bone break I don't think that's a huge deal Sounds like they might not be sure if there's ligament damage yet If there is ligament damage he's probably back after the ASB given the fact he just rebroke the same wrist as last year. This sucks. He was a bright spot for sure.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 10, 2023 15:37:04 GMT -5
Brutal, just feel for Duvall. Frustrated that he shouldn’t be diving, but he’s a human and it’s just his natural reaction. Hopefully a small fracture and minimal ligament damage.
add: Spin zone for him, when he got hurt he was playing like the best baseball player in the world. He can always say he would've been that all year if not for that pesky wrist injruy.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 10, 2023 15:55:03 GMT -5
Awful news about Duvall. Team snakebite the past few years - Sale taking a batted ball off the hand, now this. flukey, but it is what it is. Big injuries happening all over baseball it seems.
I do not like Kiké leading off.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 10, 2023 15:57:31 GMT -5
It sounds like Duran is coming up once they're through this lefty-heavy stretch, which makes sense. In the meantime, they'll probably just use whichever of Refsnyder, Tapia, Chang, or Dalbec matches up best,moving Kiké as needed.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 10, 2023 15:58:59 GMT -5
Kiké has a career 121 wRC+ against lefties with a .348 OBP, I'm okay with him leading off against them.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 10, 2023 16:03:28 GMT -5
My reasons for optimism coming into the season were that last year’s Red Sox had outlier level variance on that bad side with stuff like defense and injuries. So far that regression to the mean doesn’t look like it’s coming, unfortunately.
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Post by 07redsox on Apr 10, 2023 16:14:45 GMT -5
Alex Cora and Kiké Hernandez inexplicably batting leadoff - name a more iconic duo. I get why Hernandez is at SS today given that Refsnyder is substantially better against LHP than Chang, but unless Duvall's injury isn't severe Kiké needs to move back to CF after this lefty-heavy stretch. I really hope they don’t do what they did with Story last year and are willing move Kiké off of his new position. He’s a horrible SS and we have no true CF healthy right now. Cora was on MLB Network Radio this morning and stated that Kiké’s versatility is huge for them for something like this. From what he said it sounded to me like he will be moving around a bit depending on matchups.
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Post by nomar on Apr 10, 2023 16:16:24 GMT -5
Here’s hoping that 2022 Refsnyder was semi-real
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Apr 10, 2023 16:20:18 GMT -5
Hate to see this, I'm not a wrist expert, but I am in the medical field and do have a bit of experience with the treatment of this injury. If he doesn't have surgery ( highly unlikely he doesn't have open reduction/fixation) you're talking about 3 to 6 months before returning to baseball activity. Having surgery could possibly reduce recovery time to 2 or 3 months, but in my opinion swinging the bat is such a wrist dependant activity that it would probably be longer to have full range of motion. That's not even taking into account any soft tissue damage. So all in all, I can't see him coming back before August if at all. It's going to take quite a bit of rehab etc.
This is just terrible, Duvall was in his way to becoming a fan favorite, and secure himself a longer term contract. I feel for him.
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Post by shagworthy on Apr 10, 2023 16:30:01 GMT -5
1. I don't know what's Cora's obsession with putting Kiké in the leadoff. He's a career .240 hitter against lefties, so woo hoo, 3 pts higher than vs. righties. To me, Doogie is our best leadoff guy, and now that he's embraced it it should be his job to loose.
2. Bummed about Duvall. I'm not saying he was going to be a worldbeater all year, but he was providing some joy during his short stay.
3. Excited to see Whitlock tomorrow and see this rotation get reshuffled.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 10, 2023 16:38:56 GMT -5
Plan A: Bogaerts at SS, Story at 2B, Kiké at CF
Bogaerts gets nabbed by San Diego offering a ridiculous contract.
Plan B: Story at SS, Arroyo at 2B, Kiké at CF
Story out several months and possibly the whole season with an elbow injury.
Plan C/D: Mondesi/Kiké at SS, Arroyo at 2B, Kiké/Duvall at CF
Mondesi out through at least May; Duvall probably missing several months.
Plan E: Various random permutations of Chang, Dalbec, Arroyo, Kiké, and Refsnyder?
At least we can always count on Arroyo staying healthy...
ADD: This whole sequence is a remarkable string of bad luck, but bad luck they made for themselves. Maybe if they'd seriously tried to extend Bogaerts a year sooner we'd still be on Plan A. But they didn't and then Sand Diego robbed them with the silliest contract of the offseason. Then there's Story, who they got for a bargain - specifically because of his health risk. Rolled snake eyes there. Went with Duvall and Mondesi who also have dodgy injury histories, and, well...
It's not that they're entirely to blame here. It's that they've taken calculated risks, each of them justifiable on its own, but each one of which has ultimately worked against them.
And yet all this might still turn out okay, thanks to the depth they've built on this roster. But they're sure having to test it...
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Post by Guidas on Apr 10, 2023 16:40:01 GMT -5
Tonight's line-up (AKA Alex Cora just can't help using Kiké as a lead-off man whenever the hint of an opportunity presents itself.
1. SS Kiké Hernández
2. 3B Rafael Devers
3. DH Justin Turner
4. LF Masataka Yoshida
5. CF Rob Refsnyder
6. RF Alex Verdugo
7. 2B Christian Arroyo
8. 1B Triston Casas
9. C Connor Wong
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Post by Guidas on Apr 10, 2023 16:43:12 GMT -5
My reasons for optimism coming into the season were that last year’s Red Sox had outlier level variance on that bad side with stuff like defense and injuries. So far that regression to the mean doesn’t look like it’s coming, unfortunately. Lots of older players and players who have been waylaid for large chunks of time by significant injuries will do that. Don't worry. Bobby Bombs and Doubles Duran are ready to carry this team.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 10, 2023 16:58:28 GMT -5
Energy is like Opening Day for me. The season just took on an increased sense of urgency.
Bad news about Duvall, for him, the club and us. But next man up and time for some other guys to make some bones.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 10, 2023 17:32:30 GMT -5
Plan A: Bogaerts at SS, Story at 2B, Kiké at CF
Bogaerts gets nabbed by San Diego offering a ridiculous contract.
Plan B: Story at SS, Arroyo at 2B, Kiké at CF
Story out several months and possibly the whole season with an elbow injury.
Plan C/D: Mondesi/Kiké at SS, Arroyo at 2B, Kiké/Duvall at CF
Mondesi out through at least May; Duvall probably missing several months.
Plan E: Various random permutations of Chang, Dalbec, Arroyo, Kiké, and Refsnyder?
At least we can always count on Arroyo staying healthy...
ADD: This whole sequence is a remarkable string of bad luck, but bad luck they made for themselves. Maybe if they'd seriously tried to extend Bogaerts a year sooner we'd still be on Plan A. But they didn't and then Sand Diego robbed them with the silliest contract of the offseason. Then there's Story, who they got for a bargain - specifically because of his health risk. Rolled snake eyes there. Went with Duvall and Mondesi who also have dodgy injury histories, and, well...
It's not that they're entirely to blame here. It's that they've taken calculated risks, each of them justifiable on its own, but each one of which has ultimately worked against them.
And yet all this might still turn out okay, thanks to the depth they've built on this roster. But they're sure having to test it...
I don't get how this front office is so terrified of long-term contracts yet can't get enough of 1-2 year contracts for perpetually injured players. ~$30 million of risky contracts per year is risky, it doesn't matter if you sign up for 10 years all at once or 1 year at a time for 10 years. I guess Devers' 10-year extension did nothing whatsoever to silence this complaint?
I don't know what else they were supposed to do after Bogaerts (who they belatedly tried to sign to a long-term deal) got away and Story (who they did sign to a long-term deal) got hurt. They could have gone after Correa, I suppose, if you think that would have been an especially good risk to take on...
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 10, 2023 17:37:37 GMT -5
Plan A: Bogaerts at SS, Story at 2B, Kiké at CF
Bogaerts gets nabbed by San Diego offering a ridiculous contract.
Plan B: Story at SS, Arroyo at 2B, Kiké at CF
Story out several months and possibly the whole season with an elbow injury.
Plan C/D: Mondesi/Kiké at SS, Arroyo at 2B, Kiké/Duvall at CF
Mondesi out through at least May; Duvall probably missing several months.
Plan E: Various random permutations of Chang, Dalbec, Arroyo, Kiké, and Refsnyder?
At least we can always count on Arroyo staying healthy...
ADD: This whole sequence is a remarkable string of bad luck, but bad luck they made for themselves. Maybe if they'd seriously tried to extend Bogaerts a year sooner we'd still be on Plan A. But they didn't and then Sand Diego robbed them with the silliest contract of the offseason. Then there's Story, who they got for a bargain - specifically because of his health risk. Rolled snake eyes there. Went with Duvall and Mondesi who also have dodgy injury histories, and, well...
It's not that they're entirely to blame here. It's that they've taken calculated risks, each of them justifiable on its own, but each one of which has ultimately worked against them.
And yet all this might still turn out okay, thanks to the depth they've built on this roster. But they're sure having to test it...
I don't get how this front office is so terrified of long-term contracts yet can't get enough of 1-2 year contracts for perpetually injured players. ~$30 million of risky contracts per year is risky, it doesn't matter if you sign up for 10 years all at once or 1 year at a time for 10 years. Duvall broke his wrist diving for a ball, that's not like an injury prone player thing. Maybe he was slightly more at risk for that than the average CF, but the odds are still incredibly low.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 10, 2023 17:42:47 GMT -5
Kiké doesn't work counts, is pull happy so a pitcher with good command will know that and work away, and has no business leading off.
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Post by manfred on Apr 10, 2023 17:45:43 GMT -5
Rays throwing two ex-Sox at us. I don’t regret Beeks for Eovaldi, but credit them for getting Beeks and Springs off us for not too much.
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Post by shagworthy on Apr 10, 2023 17:48:28 GMT -5
Kiké doesn't work counts, is pull happy so a pitcher with good command will know that and work away, and has no business leading off. Kiké is an ambush hitter. Look at his stats, he only does well when he swings early in the count and the deeper he gets in counts the more likely he makes an out. The problem is heâs an easy out, just throw junk and heâll likely come out of his shoes and get himself out.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Apr 10, 2023 18:07:29 GMT -5
Hate to see this, I'm not a wrist expert, but I am in the medical field and do have a bit of experience with the treatment of this injury. If he doesn't have surgery ( highly unlikely he doesn't have open reduction/fixation) you're talking about 3 to 6 months before returning to baseball activity. Having surgery could possibly reduce recovery time to 2 or 3 months, but in my opinion swinging the bat is such a wrist dependant activity that it would probably be longer to have full range of motion. That's not even taking into account any soft tissue damage. So all in all, I can't see him coming back before August if at all. It's going to take quite a bit of rehab etc. This is just terrible, Duvall was in his way to becoming a fan favorite, and secure himself a longer term contract. I feel for him. Plus, if/when he does return, there's rust, probably muscle weakness, and the uncertainty that is generally there when one comes back from an injury about how it is going to hold up. If/when we see Duvall again this season, the most likely outcome is that he will be no more than a shadow of himself. A shame, really -- when a guy like that gets off to a career start it's always fun to watch how far he can push unprecedented performance.
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