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Post by incandenza on Apr 16, 2023 7:19:24 GMT -5
Springs really felt pressure in Boston... in 2020? When there were no fans in the stands and the team was not in any sort of race? That’s what the man said…. Springs told Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe that he regretting having “severely underperformed” during his lone season in a Sox uniform. “I think I put too much pressure on myself there,” Springs said. “I felt like I had to put up a zero every time and that made it harder on myself. That’s a bad mentality to have.” Oh. Well if that's the quote it just sounds like he was putting pressure on himself - not that big scary Boston was getting to him.
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Post by cdj on Apr 16, 2023 8:07:21 GMT -5
Even in a covid season with no fans in the ballpark you’re under the microscope in this market. If you stink fans will talk about it and reporters will write about it Just to elaborate look at a guy like Kaleb Ort this season- he’s been getting sewered online since before the season even started. That’s gotta be hard to take, they’re human too. Definitely adds pressure. This is a fan base and group of journalists that will let you hear it, sometimes undeservedly too.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 16, 2023 8:12:40 GMT -5
That’s what the man said…. Springs told Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe that he regretting having “severely underperformed” during his lone season in a Sox uniform. “I think I put too much pressure on myself there,” Springs said. “I felt like I had to put up a zero every time and that made it harder on myself. That’s a bad mentality to have.” Oh. Well if that's the quote it just sounds like he was putting pressure on himself - not that big scary Boston was getting to him. But where does that come from? Is there a component of the Red Sox team culture that generates that or was it self-imposed? Rhetorical, since we can’t know. That season came with various other weird pressures, so there could’ve been additional factors, but he seemed pretty specific with the contrast.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 16, 2023 8:39:14 GMT -5
Oh. Well if that's the quote it just sounds like he was putting pressure on himself - not that big scary Boston was getting to him. But where does that come from? Is there a component of the Red Sox team culture that generates that or was it self-imposed? Rhetorical, since we can’t know.That season came with various other weird pressures, so there could’ve been additional factors, but he seemed pretty specific with the contrast. I mean, in some sense we can't know, but if this were the case we'd expect guys to systematically underperform when in Boston and then perform better once they leave, and I don't think that's the case at all.
I'm sure it's true for certain guys that they do worse in Boston due to the fan/media environment, and true for other guys that they do better (though my guess is that most players aren't affected one way or the other). I strongly doubt it has anything to do with "team culture."
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Post by Guidas on Apr 16, 2023 10:32:11 GMT -5
But where does that come from? Is there a component of the Red Sox team culture that generates that or was it self-imposed? Rhetorical, since we can’t know.That season came with various other weird pressures, so there could’ve been additional factors, but he seemed pretty specific with the contrast. I mean, in some sense we can't know, but if this were the case we'd expect guys to systematically underperform when in Boston and then perform better once they leave, and I don't think that's the case at all. I'm sure it's true for certain guys that they do worse in Boston due to the fan/media environment, and true for other guys that they do better (though my guess is that most players aren't affected one way or the other). I strongly doubt it has anything to do with "team culture."
Agreed - some guys rise to the pressure and others wilt. It's part of the nature of sports. But Springs became a sideline to the point that started the discussion. Specifically, that so many of the Rays starters are not homegrown but were rather acquired by either trading ranked prospects away before everyone else realized they weren't worthy of the ranking, or - more frequently - finding undervalued players on other teams that just need a "tweak." This is something the LAD are also maddenly good at. Specifically: Diaz - trade from Cleveland for Jake Bauers Lowe - draft pick (87 overall) Arozarena - trade from St Louis with José Martinez for Matthew Liberatore & Edguardo Rodriguez. Franco - intl free agent signed by Rays Raley - trade from Dodgers for Tanner Dodson Ramírez - trade from Cubs for Esteban Quiroz Parades - trade from Tigers for Austin Meadows and a competitive balance pick Brujan - intl free agent signed by the Rays Margot - trade from the Padres for Emilio Pagan Bethancourt - trade from the As for Christian Fernández and Cal Stevenson Siri (IL) - trade from Houston Also, their pitching staff - McClanahan, Rassmussen, Beeks, Springs, Flemming and Efflin (IL) - are Comp Round (31 overall) Rays pick, 5th Round pick, Trade, Trade, Trade and Free Agent. Bloom has been pretty lackluster in most of his trades and has been holding the prospects tightly. We say the Sox know these guys better than anyone else. If true, what is the flaw in their process that leads them to hold too long onto high-ranked guys who don't pan out (Duran and Dalbec are two recent examples) these. Sure, they're not the only ones who do this, but given the opportunities and returns on trades so far since Bloom came on, I can only wonder if there is something process-driven to this, or it's simply a by-product of "knowing our guys better than anyone else," i.e., "falling in love with their own guys a bit too much" - a.k.a. Ben Cherington Syndrome. Also, why don't they prioritize pitchers, especially college pitchers, in the draft like other successful teams (LAD, TAM, CLE, etc)? Especially given the dearth of anything other than #5 or less starters on the team (Bello being an exception and not a draft pick).
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Apr 16, 2023 12:17:05 GMT -5
The last three drafts the Red Sox have drafted interesting college (mostly) pitchers outside of the top 3 rounds, which is exactly what the teams you mentioned have been doing.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 16, 2023 13:33:57 GMT -5
Drohan is interesting and may have upside as a starter, but so far not much from the other guys, with the caveat that the 2022 guys are too new to judge. I'm all for the best player available during drafts. With some notable exception Tampa has gotten almost all of their guys from trades or free agency. Ditto with the LAD's starting 9.
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