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6/23-6/25 Red Sox @ White Sox Series Thread
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Post by ramireja on Jun 22, 2023 18:38:38 GMT -5
6/23 Red Sox (RHP Brayan Bello, 4-4, 3.49, 59.1 IP, 57K:20BB) @ White Sox (RHP Lucas Giolito, 5-4, 3.54, 86.1 IP, 89K:28BB) 8:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 6/24 Red Sox (LHP James Paxton, 3-1, 3.29, 38.1 IP, 51K:11BB) @ White Sox (RHP Lance Lynn, 4-8, 6.51, 84.1 IP, 102K:33BB) 4:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 6/25 Red Sox (RHP Kutter Crawford, 2-3, 3.74, 45.2 IP, 46K:9BB) @ White Sox (TBD) 2:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2023: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by notstarboard on Jun 23, 2023 9:07:12 GMT -5
Bello, Paxton, Crawford against CWS after a disappointing split. Gotta get at least 2/3 here. I want 3.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 23, 2023 9:13:09 GMT -5
Bello, Paxton, Crawford against CWS after a disappointing split. Gotta get at least 2/3 here. I want 3. Seems like the Red Sox have the advantage in game 2. But in game three, TBD always pitches well against the Red Sox. |
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Post by nomar on Jun 23, 2023 10:27:09 GMT -5
A good way to win this one would be to trade for Giolito at 5PM. That way the White Sox will be scrambling for a starter and it will be happy hour. I’ve put a lot of thought into this one.
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Post by manfred on Jun 23, 2023 10:42:38 GMT -5
The White Sox lineup is brutal. It is crazy that only two years ago they looked stacked in all areas.
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Post by nomar on Jun 23, 2023 10:50:43 GMT -5
The White Sox lineup is brutal. It is crazy that only two years ago they looked stacked in all areas. - Grandal outlier year and aging - Sheets, Anderson, and Madrigal big xwOBA outperformers - Abreu leaves in free agency - Moncada goes back to a pumpkin They had some bad bounces, but I think they were pretty fortunate in 2021 too (and so were the Red Sox). More concerning to me is that for some reason every single player that comes up through their farm swings at absolutely everything and never walks. Not a great recipe for success at the plate. |
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Post by incandenza on Jun 23, 2023 10:54:48 GMT -5
The White Sox lineup is brutal. It is crazy that only two years ago they looked stacked in all areas. Position players by fWAR:
Luis Robert: 2.7 Jake Burger: 0.9 Everyone else combined: -0.4
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 23, 2023 11:08:23 GMT -5
forum.whitesoxprospects.com's Eloy Jimenez thread must be depressing
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Post by patford on Jun 23, 2023 11:45:32 GMT -5
The White Sox lineup is brutal. It is crazy that only two years ago they looked stacked in all areas. - Grandal outlier year and aging - Sheets, Anderson, and Madrigal big xwOBA outperformers - Abreu leaves in free agency - Moncada goes back to a pumpkin They had some bad bounces, but I think they were pretty fortunate in 2021 too (and so were the Red Sox). More concerning to me is that for some reason every single player that comes up through their farm swings at absolutely everything and never walks. Not a great recipe for success at the plate. Moncada has had what? One really good year where it seemed like he had blossomed. And then pfft. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 23, 2023 11:50:05 GMT -5
- Grandal outlier year and aging - Sheets, Anderson, and Madrigal big xwOBA outperformers - Abreu leaves in free agency - Moncada goes back to a pumpkin They had some bad bounces, but I think they were pretty fortunate in 2021 too (and so were the Red Sox). More concerning to me is that for some reason every single player that comes up through their farm swings at absolutely everything and never walks. Not a great recipe for success at the plate. Moncada has had what? One really good year where it seemed like he had blossomed. And then pfft. He's had what I would consider two really good years, 2019 5.5 fWAR and 2021 4.0 fWAR. Both solid but if you take a closer look a lot of his offense those years was propped up by a .406 and .350 BABIP which aren't really sustainable. Every other year he either didn't or barely cracked 1.0 fWAR. Obviously a guy with some serious talent but not a guy nearly consistent enough to have reached that ceiling. That being said I'm a little surprised to see he's only 28 feels like he's been around forever. I'd have guessed he was in his 30s. |
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Post by incandenza on Jun 23, 2023 11:59:24 GMT -5
- Grandal outlier year and aging - Sheets, Anderson, and Madrigal big xwOBA outperformers - Abreu leaves in free agency - Moncada goes back to a pumpkin They had some bad bounces, but I think they were pretty fortunate in 2021 too (and so were the Red Sox). More concerning to me is that for some reason every single player that comes up through their farm swings at absolutely everything and never walks. Not a great recipe for success at the plate. Moncada has had what? One really good year where it seemed like he had blossomed. And then pfft. Two really good years, 2019 and 2021, with 5.5 and 4.0 fWAR respectively, with a 1 WAR season in the COVID year in between, so that's a decent 4 WAR/year pace over three seasons. I don't know what's happened to him since then. Injuries?
Imagine the world in which the White Sox choose Devers over Moncada in the Sale trade...
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 23, 2023 13:14:20 GMT -5
Random aside, any thoughts on who the Sox all star representative(s) will be? Verdugo seems likely and deserving (although not sure how many make it past the top 6 vote getters). Maybe Jansen gets in less deservingly?
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Post by jmei on Jun 23, 2023 13:57:20 GMT -5
Random aside, any thoughts on who the Sox all star representative(s) will be? Verdugo seems likely and deserving (although not sure how many make it past the top 6 vote getters). Maybe Jansen gets in less deservingly? Yoshida should contend for a spot (All-Star voters are less focused on defense). Maybe Devers gets a spot on name recognition. |
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Post by Guidas on Jun 23, 2023 14:11:42 GMT -5
Random aside, any thoughts on who the Sox all star representative(s) will be? Verdugo seems likely and deserving (although not sure how many make it past the top 6 vote getters). Maybe Jansen gets in less deservingly? Yoshida should contend for a spot (All-Star voters are less focused on defense). Maybe Devers gets a spot on name recognition. The fewer guys the better. I prefer giving everyone a rest. |
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Post by nomar on Jun 23, 2023 14:40:28 GMT -5
Kiké should be an all star.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 23, 2023 15:20:07 GMT -5
OK, Cora is starting Refsnyder over Duran vs. a righty. I am not understanding. Please help me understand.
Refsnyder LF
Turner 1B
Yoshida DH
Devers 3B
Duvall RF
Wong C
Arroyo 2B
K. Hernández CF
Hamilton SS
Bello P
Also: Dalbec up, Reyes to the IL.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 23, 2023 15:22:25 GMT -5
OK, Cora is starting Refsnyder over Duran vs. a righty. I am not understanding. Please help me understand. Refsnyder LF Turner 1B Yoshida DH Devers 3B Duvall RF Wong C Arroyo 2B K. Hernández CF Hamilton SS Bello P Also: Dalbec up, Reyes to the IL. On the brightside Hernandez is playing CF and not SS! |
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Post by jmei on Jun 23, 2023 15:27:04 GMT -5
OK, Cora is starting Refsnyder over Duran vs. a righty. I am not understanding. Please help me understand. Refsnyder LF Turner 1B Yoshida DH Devers 3B Duvall RF Wong C Arroyo 2B K. Hernández CF Hamilton SS Bello P Also: Dalbec up, Reyes to the IL. Easy answer. Cora is a bad tactical manager. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 23, 2023 15:30:24 GMT -5
Prob not gonna happen on this particular team, but Ref deserves to at least have one 6 week stretch where he plays every day while someone recovers from a hamstring pull
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Post by Guidas on Jun 23, 2023 15:33:05 GMT -5
OK, Cora is starting Refsnyder over Duran vs. a righty. I am not understanding. Please help me understand. Refsnyder LF Turner 1B Yoshida DH Devers 3B Duvall RF Wong C Arroyo 2B K. Hernández CF Hamilton SS Bello P Also: Dalbec up, Reyes to the IL. Easy answer. Cora is a bad tactical manager. I mean, not only is he facing a righty (career 424 PAs: .224 AVE/.303 OBP/.318 SLG with 120Ks), he's leading off(!). This is just dumb. |
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Post by Guidas on Jun 23, 2023 15:38:14 GMT -5
Prob not gonna happen on this particular team, but Ref deserves to at least have one 6 week stretch where he plays every day while someone recovers from a hamstring pull Why? I like him a lot, too, but as a platoon player vs. LHP. He's proven his worth there. However, he is not good at all vs. RHP. If you argue "But he's better now at this point in his career!", his 2023 numbers are significantly worse (understandably small sample) .146 AVE/.314 OBP/.195 SLG/.509 OPS than his career averages vs. RHP .224 AVE/.303 OBP/.318 SLG/.622 OPS. There is no world, save for an emergency substitution situation, where Refsnyder should consciously be put in vs. RHP, never mind batting him in the order vs. RHP in a spot that gives him the most at bats in the game. |
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Post by cdj on Jun 23, 2023 15:47:37 GMT -5
I would hope Duran is feeling under the weather, otherwise this is just plain stupidity by Cora. Might be dumber than Farrell.
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Post by redsoxpride34 on Jun 23, 2023 15:47:40 GMT -5
Easy answer. Cora is a bad tactical manager. I mean, not only is he facing a righty (career 424 PAs: .224 AVE/.303 OBP/.318 SLG with 120Ks), he's leading off(!). This is just dumb. Couldn't agree more. Duran should be playing every day. Ref is a bench guy at best who's really only somewhat good against lefties. With Yoshida at DH Cora could also have started Dalbec at DH and kept Yoshida in LF. Both options would have been better than starting Ref. As bad as Bloom has been, Cora has really done no better as the manager of the team. The amount of rope he gave Kiké at SS and his reluctance to make Wong the clear starter is inexcusable. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 23, 2023 15:53:48 GMT -5
Maybe Cora feels he has the backing of ownership and job security and is trying to get Bloom fired? Otherwise I have no idea why both Duran and Casas hit the bench against Giolito. I guess Kiké must play no matter what. And Refsnyder, leading off, too? No idea, lol.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 23, 2023 16:01:17 GMT -5
Maybe Cora feels he has the backing of ownership and job security and is trying to get Bloom fired? Otherwise I have no idea why both Duran and Casas hit the bench against Giolito. I guess Kiké must play no matter what. And Refsnyder, leading off, too? No idea, lol. I think it's an almost inexplicably bad decision too, but nothing about Cora makes me think he'd be malicious and this would be despicable behavior. |
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