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Post by incandenza on Jun 23, 2023 16:02:07 GMT -5
Maybe Cora feels he has the backing of ownership and job security and is trying to get Bloom fired? Otherwise I have no idea why both Duran and Casas hit the bench against Giolito. I guess Kiké must play no matter what. And Refsnyder, leading off, too? No idea, lol. Uhhh yeah, what's going on with this lineup. Refsnyder leading off, Turner batting 2nd... Does Cora think Giolito is a lefty?
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Jun 23, 2023 16:11:23 GMT -5
I thought Giolito much have reverse splits but... no he does not
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 23, 2023 16:25:30 GMT -5
Maybe Cora feels he has the backing of ownership and job security and is trying to get Bloom fired? Otherwise I have no idea why both Duran and Casas hit the bench against Giolito. I guess Kiké must play no matter what. And Refsnyder, leading off, too? No idea, lol. Uhhh yeah, what's going on with this lineup. Refsnyder leading off, Turner batting 2nd... Does Cora think Giolito is a lefty? I remember the time Rick Cerone, a RH hitting catcher got a big hit against a righty when Rich Gedman, normally a lefty, would usually have played. Instead of manager Joe Morgan saying he had a hunch when questioned about Cerone's presence in the lineup, he took the honest approach and said that he thought the opposing starting pitcher (righty Shawn Hillegas) was a lefty. This kind of screwup actually helped the Sox back in 1997. Dan Duquette thought that the throw-in to the Heathcliff Slocum/Jason Varitek deal was a left handed pitcher named Derek Lowe. Of course, D-Lowe was a righty.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 23, 2023 16:27:24 GMT -5
Maybe Cora feels he has the backing of ownership and job security and is trying to get Bloom fired? Otherwise I have no idea why both Duran and Casas hit the bench against Giolito. I guess Kiké must play no matter what. And Refsnyder, leading off, too? No idea, lol. I think it's an almost inexplicably bad decision too, but nothing about Cora makes me think he'd be malicious and this would be despicable behavior. I don't either. I was kidding. I have heard there is increasing friction between Bloom and Cora, so who knows where that will go? But no, I don't think that Cora is trying to purposely screw up.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 23, 2023 16:36:08 GMT -5
I remember there being a story about Bernie Carbo hitting a grandslam against a lefty and then being asked about it post-game and telling the reporters to stop pulling his leg as he figured that there's no way he'd be left to face a lefty and that the pitcher had to be a righty. Obviously he didn't even know who he was facing, which given Carbo's state at that period of time, isn't too surprising.
I have a feeling that not knowing the handedness of the pitcher occurs more often in baseball than you'd think. As a fan I screw that up quite often, but you'd think that people within the game would automatically know it.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 23, 2023 16:42:05 GMT -5
I remember there being a story about Bernie Carbo hitting a grandslam against a lefty and then being asked about it post-game and telling the reporters to stop pulling his leg as he figured that there's no way he'd be left to face a lefty and that the pitcher had to be a righty. Obviously he didn't even know who he was facing, which given Carbo's state at that period of time, isn't too surprising. I have a feeling that not knowing the handedness of the pitcher occurs more often in baseball than you'd think. As a fan I screw that up quite often, but you'd think that people within the game would automatically know it. I have to believe that with all the analytics available, Cora gets a spreadsheet or printout of how each batter would be projected to do vs. each pitcher, complete with areas of the zone for hitters to focus on, what the pitcher throws in each count by percentages, etc. I don't think there's anyway Cora could mistake Giolito for a lefty given all that.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 23, 2023 16:47:55 GMT -5
I remember there being a story about Bernie Carbo hitting a grandslam against a lefty and then being asked about it post-game and telling the reporters to stop pulling his leg as he figured that there's no way he'd be left to face a lefty and that the pitcher had to be a righty. Obviously he didn't even know who he was facing, which given Carbo's state at that period of time, isn't too surprising. I have a feeling that not knowing the handedness of the pitcher occurs more often in baseball than you'd think. As a fan I screw that up quite often, but you'd think that people within the game would automatically know it. I have to believe that with all the analytics available, Cora gets a spreadsheet or printout of how each batter would be projected to do vs. each pitcher, complete with areas of the zone for hitters to focus on, what the pitcher throws in each count by percentages, etc. I don't think there's anyway Cora could mistake Giolito for a lefty given all that. Yeah, this is certainly what I'd assume, but it's uncanny how this lineup would make sense if they were facing a lefty (though sitting Casas would still be weird) but is an absolutely inexplicable lineup for facing a righty.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jun 23, 2023 16:52:30 GMT -5
I’d love to have whatever Cora is smoking because today’s lineup is delusional.
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Post by taiwansox on Jun 23, 2023 17:14:01 GMT -5
The White Sox lineup is brutal. It is crazy that only two years ago they looked stacked in all areas. - Grandal outlier year and aging - Sheets, Anderson, and Madrigal big xwOBA outperformers - Abreu leaves in free agency - Moncada goes back to a pumpkin They had some bad bounces, but I think they were pretty fortunate in 2021 too (and so were the Red Sox). More concerning to me is that for some reason every single player that comes up through their farm swings at absolutely everything and never walks. Not a great recipe for success at the plate. They benefitted more from the juiced ball in 2019 than any team in baseball it seems
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Post by yuchangclan on Jun 23, 2023 17:20:00 GMT -5
OK, Cora is starting Refsnyder over Duran vs. a righty. I am not understanding. Please help me understand. Refsnyder LF Turner 1B Yoshida DH Devers 3B Duvall RF Wong C Arroyo 2B K. Hernández CF Hamilton SS Bello P Also: Dalbec up, Reyes to the IL. On the brightside Hernandez is playing CF and not SS! On the downside, Kiké is playing at all.
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Post by yuchangclan on Jun 23, 2023 17:22:11 GMT -5
I remember there being a story about Bernie Carbo hitting a grandslam against a lefty and then being asked about it post-game and telling the reporters to stop pulling his leg as he figured that there's no way he'd be left to face a lefty and that the pitcher had to be a righty. Obviously he didn't even know who he was facing, which given Carbo's state at that period of time, isn't too surprising. I have a feeling that not knowing the handedness of the pitcher occurs more often in baseball than you'd think. As a fan I screw that up quite often, but you'd think that people within the game would automatically know it. I have to believe that with all the analytics available, Cora gets a spreadsheet or printout of how each batter would be projected to do vs. each pitcher, complete with areas of the zone for hitters to focus on, what the pitcher throws in each count by percentages, etc. I don't think there's anyway Cora could mistake Giolito for a lefty given all that. I think you are right. I can see Bloom hand-delivering said spreadsheet directly to Cora 5 hours before the game starts. Then I can see Cora mumbling “here is what I think of your f’n spreadsheet” before setting it ablaze and lighting a cigar with it.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 23, 2023 17:30:55 GMT -5
I have to believe that with all the analytics available, Cora gets a spreadsheet or printout of how each batter would be projected to do vs. each pitcher, complete with areas of the zone for hitters to focus on, what the pitcher throws in each count by percentages, etc. I don't think there's anyway Cora could mistake Giolito for a lefty given all that. I think you are right. I can see Bloom hand-delivering said spreadsheet directly to Cora 5 hours before the game starts. Then I can see Cora mumbling “here is what I think of your f’n spreadsheet” before setting it ablaze and lighting a cigar with it. Fun image and all, but I have no idea what you're talking about. Even if for some reason Cora was self-destructively contemptuous of Bloom in this way (but why?), this lineup is still totally weird on its own terms; like, what's Cora's rationale?
And maybe there is a reason - Duran and Casas both being a little banged up or something. Can't rule that out.
Also apparently Dalbec got called up? Nominally because yet another Red Sox shortstop is hitting the IL, but that would also fit with Casas being hurt or something.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 23, 2023 17:40:13 GMT -5
Dalbec is the only guy left to call up. Valdez is banged up and Abreu just got back from the IL and wold be the team's 9th OF and there's nobody else on the 40.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 23, 2023 18:17:40 GMT -5
6/23/23 Boston Recalled Bobby Dalbec and Chris Murphy from Worcester 6/23/23 Boston Placed Pablo Reyes (abdominal strain) on the 10-day injured list 6/23/23 Boston Optioned Brandon Walter and Tayler Scott to Worcester
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 23, 2023 18:18:04 GMT -5
I will be focused on observing if tonight's SS can get the ball all the way to 1st base on the fly or maybe needs someone to relay it for him, as some scouting reports suggest.
Lineup? Don't care 'bout no stinkin' lineup. (wouldn't mind seeing New & Improved Bobby get a couple hacks though.)
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Post by incandenza on Jun 23, 2023 19:09:06 GMT -5
Uh oh. Body posture mirroring...
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Post by incandenza on Jun 23, 2023 19:18:03 GMT -5
Very odd stuff from the White Sox broadcast booth: apparently they do *research* on the opposing team so they have informed things to say about their players. Weirdos.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 23, 2023 19:19:28 GMT -5
Umm, I thought Hamilton was supposed to stink defensively
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Post by terriblehondo on Jun 23, 2023 19:19:43 GMT -5
nice play
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 23, 2023 19:19:46 GMT -5
I will be focused on observing if tonight's SS can get the ball all the way to 1st base on the fly or maybe needs someone to relay it for him, as some scouting reports suggest. Lineup? Don't care 'bout no stinkin' lineup. (wouldn't mind seeing New & Improved Bobby get a couple hacks though.) First pitch lol
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Post by Guidas on Jun 23, 2023 19:26:14 GMT -5
Duvall is just lost up there.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 23, 2023 19:28:00 GMT -5
Giolito looks really on tonight, gonna be a tough one for the offense.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 23, 2023 19:28:12 GMT -5
Early indications is this is gonna be a 1-0 two hour type of game
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jun 23, 2023 19:34:05 GMT -5
SSS of course, but I'm liking Hamilton at short so far !
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Post by incandenza on Jun 23, 2023 19:34:08 GMT -5
Sooo Hamilton's arm looked pretty good on that DP?
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