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badfishnbc
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Post by badfishnbc on Aug 11, 2023 11:07:07 GMT -5
I figured, since he's batting .600 at the moment, we should start a Kyle Teel thread with a broad development question:
What boxes do catchers need to check before they're ready for the Show?
Teel is listed at the moment as a likely late-2026 arrival, which would keep him in the minors for three more years. Wondering what he needs to show during that time beyond a bat and advanced hitting tool...
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Post by ryanm on Aug 11, 2023 12:31:28 GMT -5
I figured, since he's batting .600 at the moment, we should start a Kyle Teel thread with a broad development question: What boxes do catchers need to check before they're ready for the Show? Teel is listed at the moment as a likely late-2026 arrival, which would keep him in the minors for three more years. Wondering what he needs to show during that time beyond a bat and advanced hitting tool... Probably early 2025. Needs to prove hes good enough bat shouldn't take long into 2024 then its just how quick until the Red Sox feel comfortable enough with him handling the pitching staff. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 11, 2023 12:56:13 GMT -5
I figured, since he's batting .600 at the moment, we should start a Kyle Teel thread with a broad development question: What boxes do catchers need to check before they're ready for the Show? Teel is listed at the moment as a likely late-2026 arrival, which would keep him in the minors for three more years. Wondering what he needs to show during that time beyond a bat and advanced hitting tool... Probably early 2025. Needs to prove hes good enough bat shouldn't take long into 2024 then its just how quick until the Red Sox feel comfortable enough with him handling the pitching staff. Adley Rutschman was drafted in 2019 and debuted in early 2022. Granted, 2020 must be taken into account, but he's the best college catching prospect in recent memory and he needed 2.5 years. Early 2025 for Teel is EXTREMELY aggressive and, imo, unrealistic. You're treating him like he's just got to show he's ready. He also has to, y'know, develop. |
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Post by manfred on Aug 11, 2023 13:01:52 GMT -5
Probably early 2025. Needs to prove hes good enough bat shouldn't take long into 2024 then its just how quick until the Red Sox feel comfortable enough with him handling the pitching staff. Adley Rutschman was drafted in 2019 and debuted in early 2022. Granted, 2020 must be taken into account, but he's the best college catching prospect in recent memory and he needed 2.5 years. Early 2025 for Teel is EXTREMELY aggressive and, imo, unrealistic. You're treating him like he's just got to show he's ready. He also has to, y'know, develop. Is Henry Davis done catching? He’s moved quickly, but they’ve put him in RF. I haven’t been following the Pirates (needless to say), so that sort of surprised me. |
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 11, 2023 13:09:06 GMT -5
It's a sort of minor difference but didn't people think the Orioles intentionally held Rutschman back longer than needed? Like he probably would have been alright in the Majors in 2021, which was his first full season of pro ball. I might be misremembering that.
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Post by patford on Aug 11, 2023 13:14:00 GMT -5
I figured, since he's batting .600 at the moment, we should start a Kyle Teel thread with a broad development question: What boxes do catchers need to check before they're ready for the Show? Teel is listed at the moment as a likely late-2026 arrival, which would keep him in the minors for three more years. Wondering what he needs to show during that time beyond a bat and advanced hitting tool... Based on the Sox Prospects scouting report he might move quicker than expected. www.soxprospects.com/players/teel-kyle.htmSounds quite advanced defensively. |
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Post by incandenza on Aug 11, 2023 13:27:38 GMT -5
Adley Rutschman was drafted in 2019 and debuted in early 2022. Granted, 2020 must be taken into account, but he's the best college catching prospect in recent memory and he needed 2.5 years. Early 2025 for Teel is EXTREMELY aggressive and, imo, unrealistic. You're treating him like he's just got to show he's ready. He also has to, y'know, develop. Is Henry Davis done catching? He’s moved quickly, but they’ve put him in RF. I haven’t been following the Pirates (needless to say), so that sort of surprised me. Hmm, it looks like they still want him to split time at catcher, at least, but they wanted him to fill an outfield hole for them. It also sounds like the odds of him sticking at catcher are not great.
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Post by ryanm on Aug 11, 2023 13:52:37 GMT -5
Probably early 2025. Needs to prove hes good enough bat shouldn't take long into 2024 then its just how quick until the Red Sox feel comfortable enough with him handling the pitching staff. Adley Rutschman was drafted in 2019 and debuted in early 2022. Granted, 2020 must be taken into account, but he's the best college catching prospect in recent memory and he needed 2.5 years. Early 2025 for Teel is EXTREMELY aggressive and, imo, unrealistic. You're treating him like he's just got to show he's ready. He also has to, y'know, develop. A lot of people thought Rutchsman was ready mid 21 so 3 months of pro ball. Most college bats fly through the minors if Teel can hit he’s going to fly especially considering Bloom has to prove his prospects can play |
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Post by cdj on Aug 11, 2023 14:02:51 GMT -5
July/August of 2025 is my prediction for Teel’s arrival (provided everything goes smoothly)
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 11, 2023 14:16:10 GMT -5
Adley Rutschman was drafted in 2019 and debuted in early 2022. Granted, 2020 must be taken into account, but he's the best college catching prospect in recent memory and he needed 2.5 years. Early 2025 for Teel is EXTREMELY aggressive and, imo, unrealistic. You're treating him like he's just got to show he's ready. He also has to, y'know, develop. A lot of people thought Rutchsman was ready mid 21 so 3 months of pro ball. Most college bats fly through the minors if Teel can hit he’s going to fly especially considering Bloom has to prove his prospects can play Most college bats don't also have to play C which is going to be just as important as his bat maybe even moreso in judging how fast he should make it to the majors. Let's face it the bar for hitting at the catcher position is pretty low, if he can field the position and hit his weight he has a good chance to make it to the majors in a few years. He is already in A+ so all goes well hopefully spends a good chunk of 2024 in AA and then a good chunk of 2025 in AAA and maybe the majors around the 2nd half of the year. |
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Post by manfred on Aug 11, 2023 14:30:15 GMT -5
Is Henry Davis done catching? He’s moved quickly, but they’ve put him in RF. I haven’t been following the Pirates (needless to say), so that sort of surprised me. Hmm, it looks like they still want him to split time at catcher, at least, but they wanted him to fill an outfield hole for them. It also sounds like the odds of him sticking at catcher are not great.
Interesting. I wondered if they were leaning away. I imagine if you want a guy to stick at catcher, the development time is longer even if you are ready as a hitter. Or you can promote the bat and lose the catching. |
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Post by steveofbradenton on Aug 11, 2023 14:37:01 GMT -5
Hmm, it looks like they still want him to split time at catcher, at least, but they wanted him to fill an outfield hole for them. It also sounds like the odds of him sticking at catcher are not great. Interesting. I wondered if they were leaning away. I imagine if you want a guy to stick at catcher, the development time is longer even if you are ready as a hitter. Or you can promote the bat and lose the catching. With the Pirates Spring Training and developing folks in Bradenton, I thought how stupid it was they decided to rush Davis JUST for his bat. Henry is so much more valuable behind the plate. The Bucs have TWO excellent catching prospects that they should make a prioity. They finally got rid of Hedges and should have Davis CATCHING every other day. |
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Post by steveofbradenton on Aug 11, 2023 14:42:17 GMT -5
July/August of 2025 is my prediction for Teel’s arrival (provided everything goes smoothly) Wouldn't be surprised if this came true. If he develops defensively (he already is looking good), his bat will play for sure at this position. Exciting prospect to follow. He seems to have all of the atributes of an above average catcher. Love his arm, his "pop", his glove, and his temperment. I think we lucked out! |
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Post by jaffinator on Aug 11, 2023 15:46:05 GMT -5
Probably early 2025. Needs to prove hes good enough bat shouldn't take long into 2024 then its just how quick until the Red Sox feel comfortable enough with him handling the pitching staff. Adley Rutschman was drafted in 2019 and debuted in early 2022. Granted, 2020 must be taken into account, but he's the best college catching prospect in recent memory and he needed 2.5 years. Early 2025 for Teel is EXTREMELY aggressive and, imo, unrealistic. You're treating him like he's just got to show he's ready. He also has to, y'know, develop. Rutschman didn't play opening day with the Orioles since he started the year with an injury. With missing 2020, that's the schedule the other commenter essentially put out there. So he just has to be injury free and comparable to the best catching prospect that I can recall. |
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Post by orion09 on Aug 11, 2023 16:53:57 GMT -5
We also have Connor Wong controllable through 2028, so unless something changes there, I would think there wouldn’t be a need to rush Teel. Let him finish developing so we can maximize the impact from his years of control.
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Post by radiohix on Aug 11, 2023 17:24:08 GMT -5
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 11, 2023 17:30:36 GMT -5
I figured, since he's batting .600 at the moment, we should start a Kyle Teel thread with a broad development question: What boxes do catchers need to check before they're ready for the Show? Teel is listed at the moment as a likely late-2026 arrival, which would keep him in the minors for three more years. Wondering what he needs to show during that time beyond a bat and advanced hitting tool... If he keeps his torrid pace, I'd expect in 2024 he's up, at least, for a Cup of Teel. |
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Post by nonothing on Aug 12, 2023 23:04:06 GMT -5
We also have Connor Wong controllable through 2028, so unless something changes there, I would think there wouldn’t be a need to rush Teel. Let him finish developing so we can maximize the impact from his years of control. Looks like the tougher issue may be that he probably needs to go to AA now to develop from where he currently is. But if he gets to AAA in 2024 and is ready for the big league team in 2025, I think the last thing they are going to worry about is Connor Wong's control timeline. |
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Post by nonothing on Aug 12, 2023 23:08:42 GMT -5
I figured, since he's batting .600 at the moment, we should start a Kyle Teel thread with a broad development question: What boxes do catchers need to check before they're ready for the Show? Teel is listed at the moment as a likely late-2026 arrival, which would keep him in the minors for three more years. Wondering what he needs to show during that time beyond a bat and advanced hitting tool... If he keeps his torrid pace, I'd expect in 2024 he's up, at least, for a Cup of Teel. They won't waste a 40 man spot all winter 24/25 to give him a cup of coffee in 2024. The only way he comes up in 2024 is that he is so ready that they believe he can really contribute and his development is complete. Otherwise they don't waste the 40-man spot over the winter of 24/25 on him. |
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 13, 2023 0:03:09 GMT -5
Adley Rutschman was drafted in 2019 and debuted in early 2022. Granted, 2020 must be taken into account, but he's the best college catching prospect in recent memory and he needed 2.5 years. Early 2025 for Teel is EXTREMELY aggressive and, imo, unrealistic. You're treating him like he's just got to show he's ready. He also has to, y'know, develop. A lot of people thought Rutchsman was ready mid 21 so 3 months of pro ball. Most college bats fly through the minors if Teel can hit he’s going to fly especially considering Bloom has to prove his prospects can play You badly misunderstand the organization and how it works. Bloom isn't some sort of mob boss. He depends on and has to listen to the people who played the sport and who coach it. They're the ones who develop the players and their decisions are key to when and where a move happens. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 13, 2023 8:26:33 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but I think Benogliviesbrother was just kidding. I thought it was just an excuse for using "cup of Teel"
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 13, 2023 9:59:18 GMT -5
Hard to resist this comp ... Rutshman and Teel, first 21 and 20 pro PA, respectively
R: age 21 y 171 d T: age 21 y 176 d (birthday 9 days later, but season started c. 2 weeks later)
R: .105 / .191 / .263 T: .529 / .600 / .765
R: 16 PA in rookie ball, 4 in A- (defunct NYP lg) T: 9 PA in rookie ball, 11 in A
R took 108 PA to get to A ball. He went 0 for 8 with 3 BB in his first 11 PA.
(Granted, A ball is probably weaker now, after short-season A ball was junked)
No pretense of meaning, but ain't it fun?
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Post by majikthise on Aug 13, 2023 13:16:37 GMT -5
Hard to resist this comp ... Rutshman and Teel, first 21 and 20 pro PA, respectively
R: age 21 y 171 d T: age 21 y 176 d (birthday 9 days later, but season started c. 2 weeks later)
R: .105 / .191 / .263 T: .529 / .600 / .765
R: 16 PA in rookie ball, 4 in A- (defunct NYP lg) T: 9 PA in rookie ball, 11 in A
R took 108 PA to get to A ball. He went 0 for 8 with 3 BB in his first 11 PA.
(Granted, A ball is probably weaker now, after short-season A ball was junked)
No pretense of meaning, but ain't it fun?
Yeah, definitely excited to see how he develops. Teel strikes me as someone that should have gone top 5 but slipped for some reason. I'll take it! |
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 13, 2023 14:54:06 GMT -5
Probably early 2025. Needs to prove hes good enough bat shouldn't take long into 2024 then its just how quick until the Red Sox feel comfortable enough with him handling the pitching staff. Adley Rutschman was drafted in 2019 and debuted in early 2022. Granted, 2020 must be taken into account, but he's the best college catching prospect in recent memory and he needed 2.5 years. Early 2025 for Teel is EXTREMELY aggressive and, imo, unrealistic. You're treating him like he's just got to show he's ready. He also has to, y'know, develop. Huh? If he shows he's ready for the Majors, hasn't he developed by definition? |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 13, 2023 19:11:31 GMT -5
Adley Rutschman was drafted in 2019 and debuted in early 2022. Granted, 2020 must be taken into account, but he's the best college catching prospect in recent memory and he needed 2.5 years. Early 2025 for Teel is EXTREMELY aggressive and, imo, unrealistic. You're treating him like he's just got to show he's ready. He also has to, y'know, develop. Huh? If he shows he's ready for the Majors, hasn't he developed by definition? Your post made it sound like he's ready now and just needs to show it. So I was saying it's incredibly unlikely he's going to come in, show them he's ready, then be up to start 2025. He likely has development to do. If he's ready for MLB that quick there are a number of teams ahead of the Red Sox who messed up. You could argue the Red Sox did too based on Kiley saying they preferred Shaw. |
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