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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 3, 2023 14:33:54 GMT -5
Raffy, Masa swinging better, joining Turner, Casas, Duvall.
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Post by Jimmy on Sept 3, 2023 14:34:40 GMT -5
I am starting to wonder what you do with Sale going into next year. Bullpen? Trade? Hope this year helps him build back to better stuff next year? If the latter, are you setting yourself up for being down a pitcher early? If someone will take him with the Red Sox eating half the money ($14M) I think you pull the trigger on that. Need more certainty in the rotation. Will anyone do that? Maybe not, but remember Corey Kluber got 1/$11M. Reinvest the $14M saved into something less volatile.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Sept 3, 2023 14:40:40 GMT -5
I am starting to wonder what you do with Sale going into next year. Bullpen? Trade? Hope this year helps him build back to better stuff next year? If the latter, are you setting yourself up for being down a pitcher early? If someone will take him with the Red Sox eating half the money ($14M) I think you pull the trigger on that. Need more certainty in the rotation. Will anyone do that? Maybe not, but remember Corey Kluber got 1/$11M. Reinvest the $14M saved into something less volatile. Sale has a full no trade that could become troublesome. He would probably want a commitment beyond 2024 from who ever trades for him.
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Post by Jimmy on Sept 3, 2023 14:42:22 GMT -5
If someone will take him with the Red Sox eating half the money ($14M) I think you pull the trigger on that. Need more certainty in the rotation. Will anyone do that? Maybe not, but remember Corey Kluber got 1/$11M. Reinvest the $14M saved into something less volatile. Sale has a full no trade that could become troublesome. He would probably want a commitment beyond 2024 from who ever trades for him. Impossible to read his mind but it’s possible he’d welcome a fresh start
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Post by Jimmy on Sept 3, 2023 14:47:41 GMT -5
Considering the bullpen usage, the quality of the team we’re playing, and a very important series against Tampa coming up… if Sale makes it out of this inning unscathed I think you take a gamble or two on sending out Sale for the 6th and/or sending Llovera out there for 2IP.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 3, 2023 14:50:40 GMT -5
Sale has a full no trade that could become troublesome. He would probably want a commitment beyond 2024 from who ever trades for him. Impossible to read his mind but it’s possible he’d welcome a fresh start Full stop.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 3, 2023 14:51:17 GMT -5
98th pitch = 95 mph
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Post by manfred on Sept 3, 2023 14:52:11 GMT -5
Sale looked his best at the end! Maybe (my) reports of his demise are premature…?
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Post by Jimmy on Sept 3, 2023 14:52:41 GMT -5
Sale looked his best at the end! Maybe (my) reports of his demise are premature…? Let’s test it out in the 6th
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Post by terriblehondo on Sept 3, 2023 14:52:46 GMT -5
97 fastest pitch of the game for him. Nice to see.
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Post by Jimmy on Sept 3, 2023 14:55:35 GMT -5
Adam Duvall big proponent of the “Llovera Buffer”
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 3, 2023 14:56:17 GMT -5
Feel like unless some team will take sale and his full contract for next year you may as well just ride him out in the final year of the deal. It doesn't make much sense to me to pay down a large portion of his deal to trade him for what's likely to be a proverbial bag of baseballs.
He's obviously not what he once was but he's shown enough spurts to think he can at least be a viable mid rotation type of guy next year. Obvious caveat of health permitting which is certainly an issue.
They already need at least one and I'd say two starters. Trading him would mean they need 2 if not 3.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 3, 2023 15:05:24 GMT -5
Sale was an effective "pitcher" in this game - used veteran skill/guile to excel even without best stuff. Nice effort.
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Post by ibkee on Sept 3, 2023 15:09:05 GMT -5
Thought Sale did quite well there, velo started going back to his norm near the end too. He's far, far from what he was, but surely should be kept as a mid to back end of the rotation pitcher next year to minimise the number of starters we'll end up having to acquire.
Llovera is still awful though.
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Post by bosoxnation on Sept 3, 2023 15:13:48 GMT -5
Watching Verdugo come off the field reminds me i can’t watch this man leave! I want Dugie for the long haul!
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Post by terriblehondo on Sept 3, 2023 15:16:13 GMT -5
Nice play but Masa needs to catch that ball not Raffy.
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Post by bosoxnation on Sept 3, 2023 15:16:25 GMT -5
Thought Sale did quite well there, velo started going back to his norm near the end too. He's far, far from what he was, but surely should be kept as a mid to back end of the rotation pitcher next year to minimise the number of starters we'll end up having to acquire. Llovera is still awful though. Llovera is not awful at at. Dudes had like 1 ER in his last 10 outings. He’s got some filthy stuff.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 3, 2023 15:18:28 GMT -5
Agree on Llovera - he isn't yet as consistent as we'd like, but it is becoming clear they saw something in him when he was acquired - he seems better the more he pitches.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 3, 2023 15:39:39 GMT -5
To state the obvious: The defense killed the Red Sox this year! The starting pitching was not good, but the defense cause extra pitches per inning and gave the opponents extra outs. All the more reason to hang on to Verdugo, unless a better defensive RF is brought on board. I do not believe any internal option is better. I'm also leaning back toward pursuing Chapman as a FA and moving Raffy to DH. A fall back could be Jeimer Candelario for a couple yaers at a lower cost. Raffy is simply bad at 3B. Yoshida is not a good defensive outfielder, but Devers may well be worse at 3B. The better choice to help the defense may be to have Devers DH the majority of the time and play Yoshida in LF (especially at home). When Yoshida does DH, it may be better to have him DH on the road.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Sept 3, 2023 16:06:43 GMT -5
Jeeze, I didn't realize Valdez had that kind of wheels !
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 3, 2023 16:17:52 GMT -5
How many pitches you let Kenley go here? Tampa series tomorrow
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Post by Guidas on Sept 3, 2023 16:35:17 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 3, 2023 16:48:08 GMT -5
A win is a win is a ... .
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 3, 2023 17:58:20 GMT -5
Good news - up to 6 percent. Bad - we're done with KC.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 3, 2023 18:21:57 GMT -5
Sox don't seem to be very good at this tanking thing. Didn't anyone send them a memo ?
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