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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 27, 2023 11:39:33 GMT -5
It’s the Os their owners are crooks, the two brothers literally had lawsuits against each other at some point They are more about saying they own a team than actually caring about the team they own Theyre the worst. All the comments complaining about not having the money to sign players who are 5-6 years from free agency, the drama with their broadcaster, etc is just embarrassing. Red Sox fans have been incessantly complaining about Henry in recent years, but if you gave him their core and open payroll right now you could almost guarantee at least 1 WS ring, and I feel very confident the Orioles won’t win one. I dunno about that. The 1990 Reds were World Champions with Marge Schott as the owner. Sometimes inexplicable things happen.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 27, 2023 11:53:40 GMT -5
Theyre the worst. All the comments complaining about not having the money to sign players who are 5-6 years from free agency, the drama with their broadcaster, etc is just embarrassing. Red Sox fans have been incessantly complaining about Henry in recent years, but if you gave him their core and open payroll right now you could almost guarantee at least 1 WS ring, and I feel very confident the Orioles won’t win one. I dunno about that. The 1990 Reds were World Champions with Marge Schott as the owner. Sometimes inexplicable things happen. Yea I don't think anyone should be too confident in saying the O's won't win a world series in the next few seasons. They're more than likely going to be a perennial playoff team and as we've seen this year with the D'Backs and Rangers once you are in the playoffs you basically have as good a shot as any of the other teams in it. I would feel confident saying that instead of having a 5-10 year window of being among the leagues best team they probably are only looking at maybe 5 years if they're lucky since their owners are crummy cheap owners. Maybe I'm wrong but I certainly don't see them pulling a Braves and locking up their young players due to said cheapness which is a good thing for Sox fans. If the O's did take a page out of the Braves book they'd be scary good for a long long time.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 27, 2023 12:18:30 GMT -5
Mystery candidate was John Henry's childhood sled. Rosebud is still somehow in the employ of the Marlins and is, through attrition, now technically the organization's highest-ranking employee.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 27, 2023 12:32:50 GMT -5
Mystery candidate was John Henry's childhood sled. Rosebud is still somehow in the employ of the Marlins and is, through attrition, now technically the organization's highest-ranking employee. Love that movie
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Oct 27, 2023 14:07:35 GMT -5
Agree. I also like the Breslow outcome. But the first passage that you quoted certainly makes it clear that their top tier choices turned them down and they had to lower their sights and focus on "more obtainable choices." They should be doing some soul searching to determine why what used to be a coveted job is now one that A-list choices turn down. From the article: Then again, as one industry source noted, that’s hardly unprecedented. “Teams always expect their (vacancies) are more desirable than they really are. That’s just how it goes.”
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 27, 2023 16:52:51 GMT -5
i don't like the O's much either, but i am not sure I would want to let my top employee go to one of my closest enemies either. Seems fairly rational thinking to me, if it were my company.
On another note, real surprised that this thread has only 7 pages. Is that indicative of anything about Red Sox interest, generally speaking ? Maybe because it hasn't been announced and WS is gonna happen.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 27, 2023 16:54:09 GMT -5
i don't like the O's much either, but i am not sure I would want to let my top employee go to one of my closest enemies either. Seems fairly rational to me thinking to me, if it were my company. On another note, real surprised that this thread has only 7 pages. Is that indicative of anything about Red Sox interest, generally speaking ? Maybe because it hasn't been announced and WS is gonna happen. Uh.. no thats wrong.. If this was a lateral move they would be justified in blocking it, blocking an employee from leaving for a promotion is petty as well as makes you look like a donkey
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Oct 27, 2023 17:37:03 GMT -5
Agree. I also like the Breslow outcome. But the first passage that you quoted certainly makes it clear that their top tier choices turned them down and they had to lower their sights and focus on "more obtainable choices." They should be doing some soul searching to determine why what used to be a coveted job is now one that A-list choices turn down. From the article: Then again, as one industry source noted, that’s hardly unprecedented. “Teams always expect their (vacancies) are more desirable than they really are. That’s just how it goes.” If they were immensely desirable vacancies, the GMs probably wouldn’t have been fired. There are exceptions, of course. As far as the mystery candidate, I’m going to guess Antonetti or Friedman. They’ll probably always try for Friedman until the end of time.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 27, 2023 18:21:09 GMT -5
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Post by dirtdog on Oct 27, 2023 19:54:32 GMT -5
Dont hate the sounds of this.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 27, 2023 20:00:51 GMT -5
i don't like the O's much either, but i am not sure I would want to let my top employee go to one of my closest enemies either. Seems fairly rational to me thinking to me, if it were my company. On another note, real surprised that this thread has only 7 pages. Is that indicative of anything about Red Sox interest, generally speaking ? Maybe because it hasn't been announced and WS is gonna happen. Uh.. no thats wrong.. If this was a lateral move they would be justified in blocking it, blocking an employee from leaving for a promotion is petty as well as makes you look like a donkey yet it happens all the time in corporate America. Businesses don't want to give up good employees. He signed a contract, the expectation should be he honors it, from the employer's perspective. He will get his chance soon, if he is as good as they say he is.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 27, 2023 20:42:55 GMT -5
Uh.. no thats wrong.. If this was a lateral move they would be justified in blocking it, blocking an employee from leaving for a promotion is petty as well as makes you look like a donkey yet it happens all the time in corporate America. Businesses don't want to give up good employees. He signed a contract, the expectation should be he honors it, from the employer's perspective. He will get his chance soon, if he is as good as they say he is. Sports is not corporate America. Otherwise teams would not be able to interview assistant (and lower) coaches for promotions
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Post by orion09 on Oct 28, 2023 2:40:50 GMT -5
I like this guy already. I especially like the last line: “We need to have the humility to recognize and appreciate when it’s time to pivot”
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Post by bosox904 on Oct 28, 2023 3:34:56 GMT -5
I'm sure there was some disinterest because of what has happened in the past, but I also think it's been overblown. The couple guys from Cleveland seem committed to the team and pretty sure they have turned down other opportunities, Hazen obviously has no desire for another job or he wouldn't have signed an extension that could go to 2029 and Jon Daniel's reason about family seems pretty reasonable. He's been in Texas for 18 years and gets to work remotely with the Rays, I don't know that I would uproot my family even for a dream job in those circumstances.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Oct 28, 2023 5:47:22 GMT -5
The question burning in my mind is how does he feel about HS shortstops, particularly those from California.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 28, 2023 9:31:15 GMT -5
The question burning in my mind is how does he feel about HS shortstops, particularly those from California. Lol!
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 28, 2023 10:04:29 GMT -5
Agree. I also like the Breslow outcome. But the first passage that you quoted certainly makes it clear that their top tier choices turned them down and they had to lower their sights and focus on "more obtainable choices." They should be doing some soul searching to determine why what used to be a coveted job is now one that A-list choices turn down. Disagree. If you think you’re too good for one of the 30 top jobs in your field - and one of the dozen or so with deep pockets - or you’re too fragile to deal with a challenging ownership group (perhaps you’d prefer COL, BAL, PIT or MIA?), good luck waiting for that perfect job to come knocking. I don’t really care if the job is perceived as desirable. They got a guy who seems like a real find, regardless of how the sausage was made. Just win, baby.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 28, 2023 10:43:19 GMT -5
As a scientist, he had me at “solving for…”
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Post by rhswanzey on Oct 28, 2023 11:34:50 GMT -5
I think Mr. Breslow kind of looks like Joel Osteen and I can’t get past it. Please help.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 28, 2023 14:34:27 GMT -5
I think Mr. Breslow kind of looks like Joel Osteen and I can’t get past it. Please help. no, not nearly as creepy!
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Post by patford on Oct 28, 2023 15:12:43 GMT -5
Agree. I also like the Breslow outcome. But the first passage that you quoted certainly makes it clear that their top tier choices turned them down and they had to lower their sights and focus on "more obtainable choices." They should be doing some soul searching to determine why what used to be a coveted job is now one that A-list choices turn down. Disagree. If you think you’re too good for one of the 30 top jobs in your field - and one of the dozen or so with deep pockets - or you’re too fragile to deal with a challenging ownership group (perhaps you’d prefer COL, BAL, PIT or MIA?), good luck waiting for that perfect job to come knocking. I don’t really care if the job is perceived as desirable. They got a guy who seems like a real find, regardless of how the sausage was made. Just win, baby. Just based on reading articles and seeing interviews the Sox may have lucked out by some of the bigger names turning down being interviewed for the job and perhaps getting it. Breslow sounds like a steal and exactly what the Sox need to fill a need.
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Post by stevedillard on Oct 28, 2023 15:21:40 GMT -5
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Post by congusgambler33 on Oct 28, 2023 18:42:26 GMT -5
I love the thought that Hoyer had to to Craig to pretty much say “please dumb down your presentation, its way to advanced for some of the FO folk” Ok so he had to communicate dense material to dense people...Got it.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Oct 28, 2023 18:43:44 GMT -5
Henry also was impressed with Breslow’s overall intellectual curiosity.Henry: "How often do you think about the Roman Empire?" Breslow: "All the time." Henry: "YOU'RE HIRED." Wait, John Henry is still alive? Yep..and he still wields that mighty hammer.
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Oct 28, 2023 21:45:54 GMT -5
The more I read into the importance of being a former Sox player (and with that: local legend and actual legend character references, the perception of understanding local #vibes, and the lived experience of winning a championship, no matter how small the role), the more I think Breslow might have enough leverage in the front office and enough influence in the organization overall to match or even supersede Cora in matters more closely aligned with on field staff in past practice.
I also wonder if that calculus was made intentionally by Henry, Kennedy, et. al, after reports of Cora’s clout made the waves. And they wanted to reinforce the idea of a normal checks and balances system.
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