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Post by swingingbunt on Feb 2, 2024 11:56:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think Theo is going to be spending pretty much any time on the Red Sox. This is FSG news, not Red Sox news. So he is onboard to advise about Motor Sport Racing and not Baseball I'm pretty sure that quote is made up? I don't see it any of the articles posted today...
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Post by greenmonster on Feb 2, 2024 11:58:15 GMT -5
Theo offering some advise to the Motor Sport team..........."Full-Throttle"
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Post by chaimtime on Feb 2, 2024 11:58:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think Theo is going to be spending pretty much any time on the Red Sox. This is FSG news, not Red Sox news. So he is onboard to advise about Motor Sport Racing and not Baseball No, Underwater Johnson made that quote up for comedic effect, as demonstrated by putting it in italics, a longstanding Internet convention
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Post by greenmonster on Feb 2, 2024 12:01:31 GMT -5
So he is onboard to advise about Motor Sport Racing and not Baseball No, Underwater Johnson made that quote up for comedic effect, as demonstrated by putting it in italics, a longstanding Internet convention Got me....Totally missed that....It was ridiculous enough that it fit right in with the rest of the off-season
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 2, 2024 12:02:33 GMT -5
So he is onboard to advise about Motor Sport Racing and not Baseball No, Underwater Johnson made that quote up for comedic effect, as demonstrated by putting it in italics, a longstanding Internet convention
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 2, 2024 12:02:53 GMT -5
Theo was already working with Arctos Partners, which was part owner of FSG. I wonder how much is actually changing here. Is he going to show up to spring training press conferences every year? Pretty sure Sam Kennedy and Craig Breslow already had Theo's number.
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Post by scottysmalls on Feb 2, 2024 12:05:57 GMT -5
Theo was already working with Arctos Partners, which was part owner of FSG. I wonder how much is actually changing here. Is he going to show up to spring training press conferences every year? Pretty sure Sam Kennedy and Craig Breslow already had Theo's number. FSG sells Theo some portion of the company at a friendly rate, he gets to be more directly involved in their efforts across sports (and a bigger share of winnings), and they get a little good PR. Wins for all. Agree I don't think this impacts the Red Sox all that much.
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Post by ghostofjuanpena on Feb 2, 2024 12:07:16 GMT -5
Just having him in an official role seems good to me , I know what your saying but having it out in the public creates buzz , something this team has severely lacked , it gives the masses hope that this shit show won’t continue and things will get better
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Post by ghostofjuanpena on Feb 2, 2024 12:08:44 GMT -5
I also think this helps if they want to sell the team in the future , give Theo and his investors more stake in the team , having him involved officially is big , I fail to see how anyone can see this any differently
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 2, 2024 12:11:23 GMT -5
Best move this off-season.
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 2, 2024 12:12:32 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 2, 2024 12:15:07 GMT -5
950 million of assets Feb 2021. November 2023 they're up to 6.6 billion. Business has been good
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Post by puzzler on Feb 2, 2024 12:17:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think Theo is going to be spending pretty much any time on the Red Sox. This is FSG news, not Red Sox news. So he is onboard to advise about Motor Sport Racing and not Baseball Everyone spends all their time parsing transactions, statements, etc etc. While I agree that things change and we don't get the whole story most of the time, it's hard for me to continually discount what people ACTUALLY say. How do you read his statement any other way?
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Post by incandenza on Feb 2, 2024 12:30:25 GMT -5
So he is onboard to advise about Motor Sport Racing and not Baseball Everyone spends all their time parsing transactions, statements, etc etc. While I agree that things change and we don't get the whole story most of the time, it's hard for me to continually discount what people ACTUALLY say. How do you read his statement any other way? I dunno, the report included this: Sounds like he'll have some role with the Red Sox specifically, and given his background it'll surely be an influential one. (No idea what an "executive coach" is though; sounds hideous.)
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Post by orion09 on Feb 2, 2024 12:32:47 GMT -5
Gammons is framing as Epstein stepping in as Henry focuses on his other ventures. I’m not sure if that’s true but I’m all for it if so I will accept apologies from the posters who dragged me for suggesting that John Henry might be preoccupied with his other investments, lol
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Post by orion09 on Feb 2, 2024 12:35:36 GMT -5
Looking big picture, this is a bit of a loss for the game of baseball. Theo brought a veneer of competency to the rules change committee - I thought the changes they made were some of the most sensible under either Manfred’s or Selig’s tenures.
Thrilled for the Sox though, hopefully he can bridge the communication gap both publicly and privately, and maybe even convince Henry to open the purse strings a bit.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 2, 2024 12:45:39 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 2, 2024 12:58:26 GMT -5
Easily the best news in a dismal offseason.
Yes, he'll be preoccupied with other stuff, but I take comfort in that somebody very high up at the ownership actually gives a damn about the Red Sox and wont look at them as just another toy in the ever expanding portfolio.
I have come to suspect that the way Henry felt about the Sox in the past has changed and they're not the apple of his eye, but rather a toy he tired of and has been searching for new toys to give him a thrill.
I had thought Theo was positioning himself for the Commissioner job as I have no doubt he'd do a better job than Rob Manfred,but perhaps the end came is that one day he'll be atop the masthead as owner of the Red Sox.
Henry and Werner are in their 70s and at some point there will need to be a succession plan. Maybe grooming Theo for that eventuality is what they're doing and if so I'm glad as I think anything that is in Theo's hands are in trustworthy hands.
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Post by badfishnbc on Feb 2, 2024 13:01:45 GMT -5
Even if there's little tangible effect to Theo's return, it's heartening to know there's someone in the ownership group who it will pain to see the team languishing. At the end of the day, the Sox were, are and forever will be, Theo's team.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Feb 2, 2024 13:06:07 GMT -5
To me, I highly doubt Theo would have accepted this role if he weren’t permitted to give material input into the on-field product.
Yes, having an ownership stake drastically improves his long game of being commissioner, but if the Red Sox stink it up over the next decade, it would be hard to imagine that he’d be taken as a serious candidate.
As Gammons and other posters have stated, I do think this move gives the ability for Henry to step out of the way from the team so he can focus on his other endeavors.
Time will tell, but this gives me fresh optimism about the direction of the team.
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Post by wamderingdude on Feb 2, 2024 13:09:40 GMT -5
I don’t think Theo is going to be involved in 99 percent of Day to Day operations and turning this thing around is still going to fall on Breslow and the front office. But one of the criticisms of Bloom was that he didn’t have an experienced GM come in as an advisor. I know Theo is technically affiliated with FSG and not the red sox directly, but when you bring in an advisor with extensive history in baseball it’s pretty easy to assume that’s where the advisement is going to go. I wonder if Theo would be able to be sort of a liaison between the front office and Henry. Would breslow look at say walker beuhler next year and say “this is the guy we have to get” and be able to go to Theo to help him convince Henry to pony up? Obviously we don’t know the dynamics between the parties, but i think it’s fair to assume Henry values Theo’s opinion and Theo can get in his ear if need be.
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Post by badfishnbc on Feb 2, 2024 13:19:41 GMT -5
I don’t think Theo is going to be involved in 99 percent of Day to Day operations and turning this thing around is still going to fall on Breslow and the front office. But one of the criticisms of Bloom was that he didn’t have an experienced GM come in as an advisor. I know Theo is technically affiliated with FSG and not the red sox directly, but when you bring in an advisor with extensive history in baseball it’s pretty easy to assume that’s where the advisement is going to go. I wonder if Theo would be able to be sort of a liaison between the front office and Henry. Would breslow look at say walker beuhler next year and say “this is the guy we have to get” and be able to go to Theo to help him convince Henry to pony up? Obviously we don’t know the dynamics between the parties, but i think it’s fair to assume Henry values Theo’s opinion and Theo can get in his ear if need be.This was sorta discussed on the Off The Pike podcast a last month by Tyler Milliken, the impact Dombrowski's reputation and track record had over the ownership group - that he could say, "I, in my Hall of Fame executive estimation, believe this is absolutely how we need to proceed." It's a level of clout that Bloom didn't have and Breslow now does, with Theo playing the surrogate role.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Feb 2, 2024 13:22:10 GMT -5
950 million of assets Feb 2021. November 2023 they're up to 6.6 billion. Business has been good
Nice pull. This answers the main question that I had, which was: "Where did Theo get the money to buy into ownership?" I was pretty sure the Commissioner's Office gig or Cubs front office wasn't the answer....
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Feb 2, 2024 13:25:05 GMT -5
I don’t think Theo is going to be involved in 99 percent of Day to Day operations and turning this thing around is still going to fall on Breslow and the front office. But one of the criticisms of Bloom was that he didn’t have an experienced GM come in as an advisor. I know Theo is technically affiliated with FSG and not the red sox directly, but when you bring in an advisor with extensive history in baseball it’s pretty easy to assume that’s where the advisement is going to go. I wonder if Theo would be able to be sort of a liaison between the front office and Henry. Would breslow look at say walker beuhler next year and say “this is the guy we have to get” and be able to go to Theo to help him convince Henry to pony up? Obviously we don’t know the dynamics between the parties, but i think it’s fair to assume Henry values Theo’s opinion and Theo can get in his ear if need be.This was sorta discussed on the Off The Pike podcast a last month by Tyler Milliken, the impact Dombrowski's reputation and track record had over the ownership group - that he could say, "I, in my Hall of Fame executive estimation, believe this is absolutely how we need to proceed." It's a level of clout that Bloom didn't have and Breslow now does, with Theo playing the surrogate role. IF Theo agrees with Breslow's assessment. That's the biggest part, that Theo also likes a given player/extension/investment... If he doesn't he could THEOretically steer Breslow away from it before it gets to Henry.
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Post by iamnotluistiant on Feb 2, 2024 13:25:59 GMT -5
Now, Theo go tell John Henry to go sign a decent starting pitcher or two and another decent RH bat! lol I realize that the Sox probably aren't going to make the playoffs this year unless everything breaks right. But I do want the Sox to play hard, watch some of the rookies break out, and not be mathematically eliminated for the third wildcard by August 15th. Is that too much to ask, Theo?
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