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Post by sxfan on Feb 17, 2024 15:35:48 GMT -5
This is probably the best move of the off-season. Most value coming back versus what's being shipped out. Schreiber is redundant with all the right handed relievers here, even if they're trying to contend.
The only question is if Sandlin is a starter or a reliever. Not sure if there's conflicting reports about him being one or the other.
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 17, 2024 15:55:23 GMT -5
Sandlin was the 5th best Royal's prospect on Kiley McDaniel's list. It's a bad system though.
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Post by badfishnbc on Feb 17, 2024 16:08:11 GMT -5
Interesting to see some pre-trade posts that suggest the possibility of an aggressive assignment in Double or Triple A, depending on his spring training performance.
If he excels at the Fort, he could be an interesting window into the new regime’s promotion strategy.
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Post by KoreaSoxFan on Feb 17, 2024 16:26:46 GMT -5
I love this trade. IMO, trading Schreiber doesn't make the Sox less competitive; there are plenty of other RH relievers to fill Schreiber's role in the bullpen. The Sox basically got a decent (or even better) pitching prospect for a minimal loss. Also Sandlin seems to have both stuff and command to fit the Breslow-Willard pitching theory.
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Post by asm18 on Feb 17, 2024 16:36:22 GMT -5
For the Sox - does this prelude say, a Ryne Stanek signing, or Wincowski staying in the bullpen (as opposed to being a AAA starter)? For the Royals - did they not see Mauricio Llovera was available on waivers a month ago and looked just as good as Schrieber (who himself was a waiver claim) towards the end of last year? EDIT: was curious if their stats matched the eye test. Schrieber in the second half: 29.2 IP, 4.85 ERA, 32 K, 17 BB, 5 HR Llovera in the second half: 33 IP, 5.18 ERA, 26 K, 15 BB, 3 HR Didn't Stanek just sign with the Rays? It looks like Stanek hasn’t signed yet - there was reporting of the Sox having interest in him (MassLive), but it’s unclear how heated their pursuit is/was.
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Post by ephus on Feb 17, 2024 16:48:32 GMT -5
The Portland rotation is gonna be 🔥.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 17, 2024 17:20:39 GMT -5
First, I'm not on the 2024 doom and gloom bandwagon. So...
Excellent trade that the Sox didn't need to make.
The price of Jansen/Martin/Duran just ticked up a notch.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 17, 2024 17:39:54 GMT -5
Good grief sox twitter is a toxic as Chernobyl My mentions are a dumpster fire. It really only gets like this when I get amplified by the bigger local guys but dear god Twitter is the worst. I can't imagine getting this every time I posted something on there. Don't care or anything, just an observation.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 17, 2024 17:42:56 GMT -5
The Portland rotation is gonna be 🔥. He'll likely start in Greenville.
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Post by chaimtime on Feb 17, 2024 17:55:08 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Feb 17, 2024 17:58:49 GMT -5
I love it.
That is all.
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Post by greenmonster on Feb 17, 2024 18:00:34 GMT -5
Shouldn't have any issue with the pitch clock ..
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Post by ephus on Feb 17, 2024 18:04:04 GMT -5
The Portland rotation is gonna be 🔥. He'll likely start in Greenville. Insert [ComeOnMan.gif]. lol
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Post by rhswanzey on Feb 17, 2024 18:26:00 GMT -5
Sandlin was the 5th best Royal's prospect on Kiley McDaniel's list. It's a bad system though. (Preface: I think this was a nice move) On the podcast, how would Chris and Ian discuss a late round / mid round money 22yo college arm who performed well in low A? That’s what the advanced arm is supposed to do in low A, right? Sandlin will presumably begin his age 23 season in hi A. Pitchers already in our system who match that track were guys like Hunter Dobbins and Isaac Coffey, who put up very, very good K and BB rates there before midseason promotions. Does the excellent age 23 / hi A performance hold a lot of weight in figuring the chances of either probable reliever sticking as a starting pitcher long term? It’s a nice move but we are getting carried away already imho.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 17, 2024 18:29:04 GMT -5
At least it seems like Breslow will sell at the deadline unlike Bloom who screwed up the last 2.
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Post by chaimtime on Feb 17, 2024 18:39:16 GMT -5
Sandlin was the 5th best Royal's prospect on Kiley McDaniel's list. It's a bad system though. (Preface: I think this was a nice move) On the podcast, how would Chris and Ian discuss a late round / mid round money 22yo college arm who performed well in low A? That’s what the advanced arm is supposed to do in low A, right? Sandlin will presumably begin his age 23 season in hi A. Pitchers already in our system who match that track were guys like Hunter Dobbins and Isaac Coffey, who put up very, very good K and BB rates there before midseason promotions. Does the excellent age 23 / hi A performance hold a lot of weight in figuring the chances of either probable reliever sticking as a starting pitcher long term? It’s a nice move but we are getting carried away already imho. I think the big difference is Sandlin’s stuff appears to be significantly better than those two. The performance isn’t what’s exciting, it’s the combination of stuff and control.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 17, 2024 18:43:54 GMT -5
...It’s a nice move but we are getting carried away already imho. Well the thread does have opinions both ways. It's not a game-changer certainly, but turning a waiver claim into a potential starter could bring a bit of value, and Schreiber did regress last year. The WHIP and home runs increased, and the fielding independent pitching reflects that regression. It is in line with what the FO stated about a pitching rebuild.
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Post by rhswanzey on Feb 17, 2024 19:25:49 GMT -5
(Preface: I think this was a nice move) On the podcast, how would Chris and Ian discuss a late round / mid round money 22yo college arm who performed well in low A? That’s what the advanced arm is supposed to do in low A, right? Sandlin will presumably begin his age 23 season in hi A. Pitchers already in our system who match that track were guys like Hunter Dobbins and Isaac Coffey, who put up very, very good K and BB rates there before midseason promotions. Does the excellent age 23 / hi A performance hold a lot of weight in figuring the chances of either probable reliever sticking as a starting pitcher long term? It’s a nice move but we are getting carried away already imho. I think the big difference is Sandlin’s stuff appears to be significantly better than those two. The performance isn’t what’s exciting, it’s the combination of stuff and control. Not trying to compare the specific players, but fair point. If we’re mostly giddy about adding big velo to a system light on pitching, I get that.
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Post by sxfan on Feb 17, 2024 19:30:41 GMT -5
At least it seems like Breslow will sell at the deadline unlike Bloom who screwed up the last 2. You got to wonder how much Chris Martin would get in a trade. He's not having a better year than last year. I don't holding him until the deadline will increase the value.
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Post by asm18 on Feb 17, 2024 19:52:29 GMT -5
Good grief sox twitter is a toxic as Chernobyl My mentions are a dumpster fire. It really only gets like this when I get amplified by the bigger local guys but dear god Twitter is the worst. I can't imagine getting this every time I posted something on there. Don't care or anything, just an observation. Based on some of the vitriol, you would think they had just traded Kenley Jansen, who has been a very good-to-elite reliever for 12 straight years (and counting), and not a dude who - while incredibly likable - had one great year in 2022 and that’s basically the extent of his resume.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 17, 2024 22:18:41 GMT -5
I like it. Hurts the 2024 team, but it's clear the Red Sox aren't interested in trying to compete this year. Get value for guys that aren't part of the long term plan.
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Post by dirtdog on Feb 17, 2024 22:54:25 GMT -5
So they traded a pitcher, Schreiber, who Cora pyle drove into the ground the last 2 years for a lottery ticket potential starter? Could be worse I guess.
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Post by sxfan on Feb 17, 2024 23:29:14 GMT -5
His slider looks a lot like Houck's slider.
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Post by scottysmalls on Feb 18, 2024 9:17:22 GMT -5
Curious where he will rank here to start, I’m gonna guess in the 16-22 range, but I suppose it depends on the reports of his stuff currently.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Feb 18, 2024 9:37:11 GMT -5
Curious where he will rank here to start, I’m gonna guess in the 16-22 range, but I suppose it depends on the reports of his stuff currently. We should start taking bets on this stuff. I’m more bullish than you, I see him in the 13-16 range, and if I had to pick a definite slot I’ll go 14.
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