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Post by incandenza on Mar 20, 2024 21:56:37 GMT -5
The fact the bets were placed with "a bookmaking operation that is under federal investigation" might complicate matters. Further sports betting is illegal in California. You’re right. I should wait to see where the investigation goes before drawing any conclusions. I just have a hard time getting outraged over “illegal sports gambling” (if that’s all it is) at this point in time. If he bet on baseball, that is obviously a different matter. This whole thing is very strange. The thing is, if he did gamble, that also means he threw his friend under the bus to cover his tracks. Whatever you think of the gambling, that's pretty crummy.
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Post by orion09 on Mar 20, 2024 22:59:54 GMT -5
You’re right. I should wait to see where the investigation goes before drawing any conclusions. I just have a hard time getting outraged over “illegal sports gambling” (if that’s all it is) at this point in time. If he bet on baseball, that is obviously a different matter. This whole thing is very strange. The thing is, if he did gamble, that also means he threw his friend under the bus to cover his tracks. Whatever you think of the gambling, that's pretty crummy.
It sounds like Ohtani initially defended his friend, until the lawyers and agents got ahold of it, at which point the story changed to “translator defrauds Ohtani.” If it *was* actually Ohtani gambling and using his friend as a proxy, I’m sure his friend will be paid handsomely to keep his mouth shut and take the heat.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 20, 2024 23:10:24 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing a gambling operation would allow for an interpreter to rack up that much in debt I'll beg to differ. You've got a pilot fish in tow and the big one is following along. That could have been an easy bet to get the bill paid. But the $4.5M may have blinded the bookie to how big the wake would be, pulling in the Feds. This fellow must have been known to the authorities and they may have been willing to ignore him for the "service" he provided. No more...
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Post by patford on Mar 20, 2024 23:22:54 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing a gambling operation would allow for an interpreter to rack up that much in debt I'll beg to differ. You've got a pilot fish in tow and the big one is following along. That could have been an easy bet to get the bill paid. But the $4.5M may have blinded the bookie to how big the wake would be, pulling in the Feds. This fellow must have been known to the authorities and they may have been willing to ignore him for the "service" he provided. No more... This might explain why the debt was allowed to reach such a high figure: "One ESPN source claims that Bowyer allowed people to believe Ohtani was a client to help his business." sports.yahoo.com/shohei-ohtani-interpreter-scandal-piecing-together-the-confusing-timeline-based-on-what-weve-been-told-so-far-014454049.html
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 20, 2024 23:34:11 GMT -5
"Bowyer allowed people to believe Ohtani was a client" is one way of carefully framing things. Kind of takes the sting off the fact that Bowyer was apparently telling the world that Ohtani was betting with him.
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Post by badfishnbc on Mar 21, 2024 7:56:25 GMT -5
Context is king in the interpretation biz. "I bet you'll do well today!" can be taken in many ways!
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 21, 2024 9:46:27 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Mar 21, 2024 9:49:48 GMT -5
MLB would love this to fall of the news radar but I think they will be forced to put him on the administrative leave while they open some sort of “investigation”. It might be one where it’s in name only but he’s one of the biggest stars on the planet it’s not going away. If the feds find evidence I could see a year suspension like some of the others sports have done lately.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Mar 21, 2024 9:54:46 GMT -5
Is that distant rumble I hear just thunder or the sound of $1 Billion being flushed out on the West Coast? (insert schadenfreude emoji here)
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 21, 2024 9:55:37 GMT -5
A one year suspension is a lot if all he was doing was placing some large bets that he can easily afford with a bookie on soccer games.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 21, 2024 10:04:00 GMT -5
Right, because bookies show other peoples bet to clients. And even if they did, you don’t need to hit the millions to show you have a big client. Also, you don’t let small fish make astronomical bets they can’t possibly pay in the HOPES their rich employer/friend will bail them out.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 21, 2024 10:06:47 GMT -5
Something is definitely fishy around this whole story and the large sum of money the debt ended up being. Not to mention as I understood when I read through it sounded like Ohtani's story flip flopped so MLB seemingly should be investigating this further.
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Post by patford on Mar 21, 2024 10:24:02 GMT -5
Something is definitely fishy around this whole story and the large sum of money the debt ended up being. Not to mention as I understood when I read through it sounded like Ohtani's story flip flopped so MLB seemingly should be investigating this further. Or the FBI. The wire transfer of funds to an illegal gambling operation is text book wire fraud. Which possibly explains why that part of the story spun on it's heels and ran the other way.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 21, 2024 10:28:53 GMT -5
Something is definitely fishy around this whole story and the large sum of money the debt ended up being. Not to mention as I understood when I read through it sounded like Ohtani's story flip flopped so MLB seemingly should be investigating this further. Or the FBI. The wire transfer of funds to an illegal gambling operation is text book wire fraud. Which possibly explains why that part of the story spun on it's heels and ran the other way. True, that part kind of goes without saying that there should and I am sure will be a criminal investigation into the matter either way. Being related to wire transfers it certainly would seem to be in the FBI's purview.
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Post by patford on Mar 21, 2024 10:32:23 GMT -5
Suggesting that one of the admin create a Subject Post just for the Ohtani stuff as it's going to be running awhile.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 21, 2024 10:39:15 GMT -5
Suggesting that one of the admin create a Subject Post just for the Ohtani stuff as it's going to be running awhile. I concur, as this will have wide reaching implications if MLB tries to sweep it under the rug.. (
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Post by asm18 on Mar 21, 2024 10:53:14 GMT -5
Suggesting that one of the admin create a Subject Post just for the Ohtani stuff as it's going to be running awhile. I concur, as this will have wide reaching implications if MLB tries to sweep it under the rug.. ( Kindly requesting a "Say It Ain't So, Sho" thread name
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 21, 2024 10:59:53 GMT -5
Suggesting that one of the admin create a Subject Post just for the Ohtani stuff as it's going to be running awhile. I concur, as this will have wide reaching implications if MLB tries to sweep it under the rug.. ( MLB trying to figure out how to reinstate Pete Rose so they don’t have to kick Ohtani out of the game /s
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 21, 2024 12:49:02 GMT -5
Oy
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Post by patford on Mar 21, 2024 12:53:55 GMT -5
I concur, as this will have wide reaching implications if MLB tries to sweep it under the rug.. ( Kindly requesting a "Say It Ain't So, Sho" thread name It would be best if one of the admin creates the post because they have to tools to move all the comments. This is a big topic and it is sure to clutter up (already has) this thread.
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Post by yuchangclan on Mar 21, 2024 14:45:29 GMT -5
MLB would love this to fall of the news radar but I think they will be forced to put him on the administrative leave while they open some sort of “investigation”. It might be one where it’s in name only but he’s one of the biggest stars on the planet it’s not going away. If the feds find evidence I could see a year suspension like some of the others sports have done lately. If Ohtani were to get suspended for a year(I’m not expecting this at all, BTW), would he be able to go back to Japan and play there while suspended?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 21, 2024 15:05:01 GMT -5
I concur, as this will have wide reaching implications if MLB tries to sweep it under the rug.. ( Kindly requesting a "Say It Ain't So, Sho" thread name How about "Sho' me the money"??
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Post by asm18 on Mar 21, 2024 16:56:57 GMT -5
That’s cold, Lou
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Post by redsoxfansince94 on Mar 21, 2024 17:37:45 GMT -5
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Mar 21, 2024 19:13:36 GMT -5
All Ohtani did was follow Cris Carter's advice of always having a fall guy. No big deal.
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