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Post by grandsalami on Mar 20, 2024 16:47:19 GMT -5
Wut
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 20, 2024 16:56:11 GMT -5
Uhh not sure about the facts of the case, but based on what Ohtani's lawyer is saying I'm guessing those facts might lead someone to wonder if those bets were placed on Ohtani's behalf
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 20, 2024 17:15:21 GMT -5
"The Los Angeles Dodgers interpreter for Shohei Ohtani was fired Wednesday afternoon after questions surrounding at least $4.5 million in wire transfers sent from Ohtani's bank account to a bookmaking operation set off a series of events."
Ruh roh
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 20, 2024 17:16:27 GMT -5
Uhh not sure about the facts of the case, but based on what Ohtani's lawyer is saying I'm guessing those facts might lead someone to wonder if those bets were placed on Ohtani's behalf It's been said the best defense is a good offense. Get out early, get out strong.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 20, 2024 17:23:00 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 20, 2024 17:23:29 GMT -5
That's not good any way you look at it. I would hope Ohtani is smart enough to not jeopardize his career but who knows.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 20, 2024 17:32:11 GMT -5
I do not believe the commish is going to have much appetite for investigating this scandal as long as there is a plausible cover story and it doesn't really look like law enforcement is going to get involved.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Mar 20, 2024 17:34:02 GMT -5
Uhh not sure about the facts of the case, but based on what Ohtani's lawyer is saying I'm guessing those facts might lead someone to wonder if those bets were placed on Ohtani's behalf Future Headline: Shohei has pursued his dream of playing pro basketball.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 20, 2024 17:54:43 GMT -5
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Post by asm18 on Mar 20, 2024 18:00:25 GMT -5
I do not believe the commish is going to have much appetite for investigating this scandal as long as there is a plausible cover story and it doesn't really look like law enforcement is going to get involved. If this were the NFL they would ignore it in 5 seconds (unless it had to do with the Brady-era Patriots), but MLB also hates itself.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 20, 2024 18:13:15 GMT -5
I do not believe the commish is going to have much appetite for investigating this scandal as long as there is a plausible cover story and it doesn't really look like law enforcement is going to get involved. If this were the NFL they would ignore it in 5 seconds (unless it had to do with the Brady-era Patriots), but MLB also hates itself. This involves gambling.. MLB will have no choice to take this seriously unless they want their ass hauled into congress like during the steroid era...
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Post by incandenza on Mar 20, 2024 18:15:02 GMT -5
I think the fact that Ohtani deferred almost his entire salary as a tax dodge (while presenting it as a selfless act to help the Dodgers field a winning team) has me starting from a slightly more skeptical stance than I otherwise would.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 20, 2024 18:40:16 GMT -5
Dallas Braden @dallasbraden209 A rough timeline:
- Ohtani rep goes on record W/ESPN stating Ohtani transferred $4.5MM himself to bookmaker on behalf of Ippei.
- Spokesperson for Ohtani delivers Ippei to ESPN for statement. Ippei says Ohtani NEVER bet & felt bad for him & paid off his debt so he’d never do it again.
-Spokesperson for Ohtani says Ippei is lying after he gives his 90 minute statement to ESPN.
-Ohtani’s lawyers claim “massive theft”.
-Ippei then says Ohtani had zero knowledge of his debt or his gambling habit in general.
That about right? For those wondering:
(3) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee who places bets with illegal book makers, or agents for illegal book makers, shall be subject to such penalty as the Commissioner deems appropriate in light of the facts and circumstances of the conduct. Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee who operates or works for an illegal bookmaking business shall be subject to a minimum of a one-year suspension by the Commissioner. For purposes of this provision, an illegal bookmaker is an individual who accepts, places or handles wagers on sporting events from members of the public as part of a gaming operation that is unlawful in the jurisdiction in which the bets are accepted.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 20, 2024 18:40:36 GMT -5
also when I first say this story my reaction could be summed up by this photo
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Post by asm18 on Mar 20, 2024 18:51:34 GMT -5
So the most transcendent player in decades - who just netted a $700 million dollar contract - may or may not be connected to a gambling scandal, and this is happening on… Opening Day. Netflix might need to get another film crew ready.
(Btw World Series MVP Steve Pearce trade piece Santiago Espinal just got traded to the Reds.)
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Post by patford on Mar 20, 2024 19:07:39 GMT -5
So the most transcendent player in decades - who just netted a $700 million dollar contract - may or may not be connected to a gambling scandal, and this is happening on… Opening Day. Netflix might need to get another film crew ready. (Btw World Series MVP Steve Pearce trade piece Santiago Espinal just got traded to the Reds.) Quote from the ESPN article: "a spokesman for Ohtani told ESPN the slugger had transferred the funds to cover Mizuhara's gambling debt" www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39768770/dodgers-shohei-ohtani-interpreter-fired-theftThat sounds extremely serious to me. Even though the debt isn't Ohtani's it's hard to imagine how MLB can excuse this seeing as how seriously it takes gambling. Of course MLB won't do a thing because it's the Dodgers and Ohtani.
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Post by cdj on Mar 20, 2024 19:29:27 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing a gambling operation would allow for an interpreter to rack up that much in debt
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Post by yuchangclan on Mar 20, 2024 19:30:05 GMT -5
That's not good any way you look at it. I would hope Ohtani is smart enough to not jeopardize his career but who knows. As long as he didn’t bet on baseball, I have a hard time caring too much. When I watch the games, approximately 80% of the commercials are for betting sites and the teams have so many partnerships with them, as well. It’s actually annoying to see how Intertwined sports have become with gambling. I did not see that coming even 10 years ago.
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Post by yuchangclan on Mar 20, 2024 19:36:23 GMT -5
I do not believe the commish is going to have much appetite for investigating this scandal as long as there is a plausible cover story and it doesn't really look like law enforcement is going to get involved. If this were the NFL they would ignore it in 5 seconds (unless it had to do with the Brady-era Patriots), but MLB also hates itself. Remember the time Peyton Manning had a career-threatening neck injury? Then he had HGH sent to his house and subsequently put up one of the best seasons of his career and said the HGH was his wife’s? Everyone just nodded and went about their business. I would assume that’s how they would treat Shohei here. He’s the face of the whole league at this point.
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Post by asm18 on Mar 20, 2024 19:57:36 GMT -5
Imagine being a Dodgers fan in the Darkest Timeline of this story where over the next seven days Shohei is implicated in some weird illegal betting operation, and it turns out he only plays two real MLB games for your team, and they are in another country at 3 am local time.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 20, 2024 20:03:24 GMT -5
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Post by patford on Mar 20, 2024 20:23:43 GMT -5
That's not good any way you look at it. I would hope Ohtani is smart enough to not jeopardize his career but who knows. As long as he didn’t bet on baseball, I have a hard time caring too much. When I watch the games, approximately 80% of the commercials are for betting sites and the teams have so many partnerships with them, as well. It’s actually annoying to see how Intertwined sports have become with gambling. I did not see that coming even 10 years ago. The fact the bets were placed with "a bookmaking operation that is under federal investigation" might complicate matters. Further sports betting is illegal in California.
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Post by teddyballgame9 on Mar 20, 2024 20:41:06 GMT -5
If this were the NFL they would ignore it in 5 seconds (unless it had to do with the Brady-era Patriots), but MLB also hates itself. Remember the time Peyton Manning had a career-threatening neck injury? Then he had HGH sent to his house and subsequently put up one of the best seasons of his career and said the HGH was his wife’s? Everyone just nodded and went about their business. I would assume that’s how they would treat Shohei here. He’s the face of the whole league at this point. Didn’t this happen to Clemens with his wife? Now he’s pitching for the Savannah Bananas and not in the HOF! Seriously though, this could be a huge distraction season long for the Dodgers that they weren’t anticipating.
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Post by yuchangclan on Mar 20, 2024 21:37:49 GMT -5
As long as he didn’t bet on baseball, I have a hard time caring too much. When I watch the games, approximately 80% of the commercials are for betting sites and the teams have so many partnerships with them, as well. It’s actually annoying to see how Intertwined sports have become with gambling. I did not see that coming even 10 years ago. The fact the bets were placed with "a bookmaking operation that is under federal investigation" might complicate matters. Further sports betting is illegal in California. You’re right. I should wait to see where the investigation goes before drawing any conclusions. I just have a hard time getting outraged over “illegal sports gambling” (if that’s all it is) at this point in time. If he bet on baseball, that is obviously a different matter. This whole thing is very strange.
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Post by patford on Mar 20, 2024 21:49:14 GMT -5
The fact the bets were placed with "a bookmaking operation that is under federal investigation" might complicate matters. Further sports betting is illegal in California. You’re right. I should wait to see where the investigation goes before drawing any conclusions. I just have a hard time getting outraged over “illegal sports gambling” (if that’s all it is) at this point in time. If he bet on baseball, that is obviously a different matter. This whole thing is very strange. Up above the member julyanmorley quoted the rule. I'm predicting Ohtani is about to go from the shrewd negotiator who played the system and tax code like a human computer to "He doesn't speak English and isn't familiar with American culture. And MLB will buy it. It was also mentioned it's maybe odd a bookmaker would allow an interpreter to get 4.5 million in the hole. (3) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee who places bets with illegal book makers, or agents for illegal book makers, shall be subject to such penalty as the Commissioner deems appropriate in light of the facts and circumstances of the conduct. For purposes of this provision, an illegal bookmaker is an individual who accepts, places or handles wagers on sporting events from members of the public as part of a gaming operation that is unlawful in the jurisdiction in which the bets are accepted.
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