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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 28, 2024 11:53:17 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 28, 2024 12:01:33 GMT -5
That is basically what they gave Bello, I'm not giving Crawford anything approaching what Bello got on an extension. Also as you point out, he's not going to be an FA until he's 33. He's a guy who I like, I think he will be a good pitcher to have for his controllable years but I'm not really seeing the point in extending him at this point in time. It may seem similar to the Bello contract, but you're substituting an arb-4 year for a league minimum year - in my mind that's ~14mil in savings. An apples-to-apples comparison would be 41mil/6yr; so would you be willing to give him 75% of what Bello is getting? If yes, then 54mil would be a ~1mil savings (I'm also assuming a lower team-option; maybe 15mil). The motivation for the team would be to use up some of the CBT dollars this year while lowering his AAV for years 4-6. If he takes less that would be great, but they are almost out of time, so they don't have a great deal of leverage. I suppose when laid out that way it makes some added sense but honestly to me I wouldn't give Crawford an extension at all. Just go year to year with him, I don't think he's proven enough at this point. His pitching motion looks to me like it will lend itself to increased injury risk and he's had one solid year at this point but to me is still an unknown. Not everyone needs to or should be extended and I know you aren't saying that is this case but that's just my two cents on Crawford and extensions in general. I certainly wouldn't be upset at a Crawford extension but also just don't see the point since to me it seems unlikely to me the upside of savings down the road when he is 33-34 years old with an extra year outweighs the very cheap contract he is going to have for the next several years.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 28, 2024 12:03:51 GMT -5
The odds that Wilyer's FA years (starting at age 31) are valuable are really low, don't see the value for the Sox there
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Post by scottysmalls on Mar 28, 2024 12:17:37 GMT -5
Grissom as a candidate makes some sense given he'll be <30 when he reaches FA.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Mar 28, 2024 12:35:03 GMT -5
Grissom Crawford and Casas come to mind immediately.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Mar 28, 2024 12:37:22 GMT -5
I suppose when laid out that way it makes some added sense but honestly to me I wouldn't give Crawford an extension at all. Just go year to year with him, I don't think he's proven enough at this point. His pitching motion looks to me like it will lend itself to increased injury risk and he's had one solid year at this point but to me is still an unknown. Not everyone needs to or should be extended and I know you aren't saying that is this case but that's just my two cents on Crawford and extensions in general. I certainly wouldn't be upset at a Crawford extension but also just don't see the point since to me it seems unlikely to me the upside of savings down the road when he is 33-34 years old with an extra year outweighs the very cheap contract he is going to have for the next several years. This is fair and likely illustrates part of the issue. For Crawford, he should be expecting to make-back a number close to what he would get through arbitration, but for the Red Sox, losing the ability to simply cut him and pay him nothing (if he gets hurt or regresses) is a large risk. Perhaps a shorter deal like 12mil/3yr - this would give Crawford some piece of mind, push about half of his expected 2026 contract into 2024 (for CBT) and leave the Red Sox with essentially team options (arbitration) for his age 31 and 32 seasons. As long as his innings aren't an issue (career high is 143.2 in 2018) I'm very optimistic in Crawford becoming a mid-rotation starter - especially due to his 3.25 xERA from 2023 and low walk numbers from spring training.
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Post by scottysmalls on Mar 28, 2024 12:41:12 GMT -5
Cotillo on Twitter saying likely to rule out extensions soon for Casas, Duran, Houck, Crawford and Winckowski
Leaves Rafaela, Grissom, Pivetta as the most obvious options. Though to the point others have made there’s also a good chance Sam Kennedy was really not saying anything at all.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Mar 28, 2024 12:42:08 GMT -5
Kennedy says 'once you know you have someone who is capable of success in Boston I think it's important that you ferociously go after them'. I can't imagine Grissom would qualify at this point, but that may be trying too hard to read the tea leaves.
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Post by GyIantosca on Mar 28, 2024 14:53:12 GMT -5
Sam Kennedy reminds me of Baghdad Bob. During desert storm. He was saying nothing but positive things about Iraq army. Meanwhile there were America tanks rolling into the capital
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 28, 2024 16:31:02 GMT -5
Cotillo on Twitter saying likely to rule out extensions soon for Casas, Duran, Houck, Crawford and Winckowski Leaves Rafaela, Grissom, Pivetta as the most obvious options. Though to the point others have made there’s also a good chance Sam Kennedy was really not saying anything at all. Of that grouping I'd only want Casas extended. I'd be cool with a Grissom extension for sure.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Mar 29, 2024 23:30:42 GMT -5
We should extend pivetta would he take 4/60?
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Post by blizzards39 on Mar 30, 2024 18:29:13 GMT -5
We should extend pivetta would he take 4/60? I think that boat has sailed. More in the 20M range
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Mar 30, 2024 19:18:37 GMT -5
We should extend pivetta would he take 4/60? I think that boat has sailed. More in the 20M range I just think back to last year when Pivetta was relegated to the bullpen. Some were speculating that Pivetta might be done as a Red Sox and that he'd demand a trade, many were thinking he'd pout his way out of town. It's such a testament to Nick as a person and a player, that he took a hard look at himself and decided to simply GET BETTER. It's rare that you see that in today's athletes. He embraced his role in the pen, added the sweeper and earned his spot back in the rotation. Now he's poised for a real breakout. We (us guys on the site) have loudly said since He was acquired that Pivetta has scary good stuff, if he can wrap his head around harnessing his pitches watch out. I hope it all comes together for Nick and he gets an extension, while becoming an ace in a Sox uniform for the duration of his career.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Mar 30, 2024 19:58:11 GMT -5
We should extend pivetta would he take 4/60? I think that boat has sailed. More in the 20M range Agreed. The guy is in his walk year has to feel pretty good about himself at this point. I wish they had gotten something done with him early in the off-season when it may not have taken 4/60. He should take a lesson from Montgomery/Snell/Boras and jump on a good offer early in the '24'25 off-season.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Mar 30, 2024 20:07:01 GMT -5
Cotillo on Twitter saying likely to rule out extensions soon for Casas, Duran, Houck, Crawford and Winckowski Leaves Rafaela, Grissom, Pivetta as the most obvious options. Though to the point others have made there’s also a good chance Sam Kennedy was really not saying anything at all. My sense is that they'd rather keep Duran low-salaried because it might make him more attractive to some potential trade partners. I can see him in a package for a SP. Houck is coming off a 91 ERA-plus season and has a pretty big flaw in his game, his struggles with LHH, so I can understand their reluctance with him. Winck can be a decent multi-reliever (and yes, I did watch last night's game) but hardly the kind of guy you fall all over yourself to extend. It's way too early for Little Raffy and Grissom. So, it's Casas - who I think is going to be extremely hard to extend - and maybe Crawford as guys who are worth a try for me.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Mar 30, 2024 22:59:16 GMT -5
Rafaela signed for $10k and this is his first year pulling down the big league minimum, so maybe he's open to a Braves-esque deal...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 31, 2024 1:00:15 GMT -5
Love Casas but a statement he made indicated that he was trying to pave a way for future contracts with his contract. Do we have a lot of young'uns born with a silver spoon in their mouth ?
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Post by jbuttah on Mar 31, 2024 8:59:18 GMT -5
If I'm Pivetta though, I'm looking for at least 6/160. I don't think Sox would go as high as 4/100. Thus, don't see a path to sign Pivetta to an extension.
And if Jensen is not available, why don't you try to stretch Crawford for a few more outs? Cora was just horrible last night. He's already on his way to burning Winckowski out before the all star break. You could see from the first batter on that Joely had nothing: no velocity and no command. Cora was just hoping to get lucky.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 31, 2024 9:14:08 GMT -5
If I'm Pivetta though, I'm looking for at least 6/160. I don't think Sox would go as high as 4/100. Thus, don't see a path to sign Pivetta to an extension. And if Jensen is not available, why don't you try to stretch Crawford for a few more outs? Cora was just horrible last night. He's already on his way to burning Winckowski out before the all star break. You could see from the first batter on that Joely had nothing: no velocity and no command. Cora was just hoping to get lucky. Yeah I'm gonna take the under on Pivetta getting 6/160. And 4/100 for that matter.
But meanwhile, the Red Sox are going to set a record for the most quality home-grown starting pitchers for an organization that never develops starting pitchers.
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Post by bluechip on Mar 31, 2024 9:16:03 GMT -5
If I'm Pivetta though, I'm looking for at least 6/160. I don't think Sox would go as high as 4/100. Thus, don't see a path to sign Pivetta to an extension. And if Jensen is not available, why don't you try to stretch Crawford for a few more outs? Cora was just horrible last night. He's already on his way to burning Winckowski out before the all star break. You could see from the first batter on that Joely had nothing: no velocity and no command. Cora was just hoping to get lucky. Yeah I'm gonna take the under on Pivetta getting 6/160. And 4/100 for that matter. But meanwhile, the Red Sox are going to set a record for the most quality home-grown starting pitchers for an organization that never develops starting pitchers.
I don’t see how Pivetta gets 4/100 after what pitchers got this last offseason.
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Post by pappyman99 on Mar 31, 2024 9:18:34 GMT -5
I think Pivetta would be 4 years 64 million. Still would be very uncomfortable giving him any more than that at this point in time
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 31, 2024 10:13:13 GMT -5
I'll bet dollars to donuts that the Sox take the comp pick and look internally to replace him (Pivetta).
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 31, 2024 10:28:48 GMT -5
I'll bet dollars to donuts that the Sox take the comp pick and look internally to replace him (Pivetta). Eh not so sure Pivetta finishes the season with us
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Post by jdb on Mar 31, 2024 11:26:08 GMT -5
Pivetta is in a weird spot though. He’ll get a QO that will limit the market somewhat and he just saw what happened to Snell and Montgomery the last 2 months. He might jump at an extension to stay with a team he knows.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 31, 2024 11:30:46 GMT -5
Feels to me like pivetta would be looking at something in the range of what ERod. I don't see any crazy contract coming his way. I'd offer him 4/80 and see if he'd bite.
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