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4/1-4/3 Red Sox @ Athletics Series Thread
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 4, 2024 13:20:02 GMT -5
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Apr 4, 2024 13:33:15 GMT -5
It was definitely at 90% yesterday and updated today. But 50% makes more sense with the eye test.
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Post by itinerantherb on Apr 4, 2024 13:47:54 GMT -5
I'm of two minds with the above quotes about A's ownership. On the one hand, he is definitely tanking, and working hard to get out of dodge. And on the other, the situation in Oakland has been pretty bad for a long time. The ballpark itself is terrible, and not in a very good part of the city in that it is surrounded by parking lots and industry. And the city itself has all kinds of problems from historic mismanagement, to geographic factors to unlucky timing. Just look at the growth of the area in general over the last 5-30 years, versus the stagnation of Oakland really since 1950. It is a sprawling car-centric city in a desert, prone to natural disasters. That doesn't mean it couldn't be great, but a lot of things have conspired to make it bad. Don't forget that the other two pro sports teams have left in recent years as well. Again, I don't mean to absolve the owner of wrong-doing, nor to encourage cities to spend ungodly sums on ballparks to keep their teams around. The right owner could have collaborated with the Warriors to build in an up and coming area, create a vibrant district, profit off the real estate, and be a part of the solution rather than the problem. But I the owner is also in an awful situation that likely cannot support a sports team without significant investment. He's getting a sweetheart deal in another city, and why wouldn't he take advantage. ADD: I selfishly don't want them to leave the name in Oakland. I love that the A's are a nomadic team, which has brought MLB to ever deeper frontiers. The name is city-agnostic anyway. Maybe they leave behind the green and yellow color-scheme? Maybe they should even consider a partial barnstorming season before they move? I hope they officially change their name to the Sacramento Athletics for the next three years.
I say boo to this, but there is something to be said for this spirit of total placelessness. The A's are everywhere and nowhere, a state of mind, your hometown team and mine should we merely choose to claim it is so.
As a long-time practitioner of itinerancy, I wholly endorse this!
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 4, 2024 14:03:06 GMT -5
"There's a lot to be said for nowhere."
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Post by ephus on Apr 4, 2024 14:31:56 GMT -5
If baseball had any chutzpah at all the A's would play their next three seasons in: Portland, OR Nashville, TN Montreal
It could be a like a reality show and the city that shows up gets top spot an expansion team.
But no, they go to Sacramento.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 4, 2024 14:44:12 GMT -5
They have it as a 5.2 second opportunity time, which I don't think is even close to correct. They say they start the time when the pitcher releases the ball in order to credit fielders like Kiermaier who claim they can read the catcher's signs from CF and get a head start to where the ball will be hit as a result, which honestly sounds like pure BS; even if you can reliably make out the sign from ~300', and even if you adjust, that should be a positional adjustment largely before the ball is thrown, not some non-zero initial velocity magically towards where the ball will land. And what indulging Kiermaier's feeling of self-importance actually does is make catch difficulty inherently depend on pitch velocity, which is conceptually flawed even though the impact probably isn't massive... But I digress. If you time it from the moment Winckowski releases the ball to the moment Cedanne makes the play, I can't make it be anything more than 4.8 or 4.9 seconds no matter how much I try to get generous with the stopwatch. Unless NESN has a time skip in their live broadcast when they switch cameras, which would be pretty impressively bad, Statcast is just off. www.mlb.com/news/red-sox-beat-athletics-in-11-inningsEven if they make the end time when the ball would have hit the ground had there not been a catch, you still can't get it to 5.2 seconds without NESN introducing a time skip. So, while my earlier calculation was wrong because I didn't realize opportunity time started so early, I still think 50% is way too high. Edit: And they have the distance at 87', which is plausible - that would imply exactly 5' of wasted ground coverage by Ceddanne if the 92' figure from Browne's article was how far he travelled and not the distance between his starting location and where the ball was caught.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 4, 2024 15:07:16 GMT -5
Watched both angles in the embedded video - in the first clip where they switch cameras my median was 4.78, second one which stays with the overhead view it was 5.01... so I think there actually may be a 1/4 second difference between cameras.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Apr 4, 2024 15:54:53 GMT -5
Charlie O brought in the bright green & gold and after he moved the franchise from KC. Guess he grew tired of the drab pinstripes they and most all teams wore prior.
Without trying to start anything, it should be obvious what has happened to the city of oakland econics wise the last 50y. Same to chicago, Detroit to name 2 more. Indusrty/manufacturing gets priced out by unreal union demands, so the previous good paying jobs leave not just the city, but country itself and a city dies on the vine.
We here all kinds of excuses for this, but that is the cold hard truth of it and derelect/crime ridden cities left behind are the proof.
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Post by bishop on Apr 4, 2024 16:52:53 GMT -5
If baseball had any chutzpah at all the A's would play their next three seasons in: Portland, OR Nashville, TN Montreal It could be a like a reality show and the city that shows up gets top spot an expansion team. But no, they go to Sacramento. Would LOVE Montreal but I think it's Vegas, Salt Lake and Nashville for teams 30-32
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 4, 2024 17:11:15 GMT -5
Watched both angles in the embedded video - in the first clip where they switch cameras my median was 4.78, second one which stays with the overhead view it was 5.01... so I think there actually may be a 1/4 second difference between cameras. Good detective work! Faith restored in the numbers, albeit not the opportunity time methodology.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 4, 2024 17:26:39 GMT -5
If baseball had any chutzpah at all the A's would play their next three seasons in: Portland, OR Nashville, TN Montreal It could be a like a reality show and the city that shows up gets top spot an expansion team. But no, they go to Sacramento. Would LOVE Montreal but I think it's Vegas, Salt Lake and Nashville for teams 30-32 This made me curious... List of largest US metros by population that don't have an MLB team:
12. Riverside/San Bernardino, CA (not a real city) 21. Orlando (if Tampa can barely support a team...)
22. Charlotte 24. San Antonio 25. Portland 26. Austin 28, Sacramento (just leave the A's there!) 29. Las Vegas 32. Columbus, OH 34. Indianapolis 35. Nashville 36. San Jose 37. Virginia Beach/Norfolk 38. Jacksonville 39. Providence (neighborhood in south Boston) . . .
46. Salt Lake City
There are *two* solid options for the A's to stay in their own region, in San Jose and Sacramento, but I guess the Giants were being dicks about that. Failing that, I think Charlotte (fast-growing Sun Belt city), Portland (awful place where sports distracts from the general malaise), and San Antonio/Austin (5 million people combined) would all make sense.
I don't know why Nashville gets so much hype; it's smaller than each of San Antonio and Austin individually, and not as fast-growing as either.
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Post by orion09 on Apr 4, 2024 17:35:58 GMT -5
If baseball had any chutzpah at all the A's would play their next three seasons in: Portland, OR Nashville, TN Montreal It could be a like a reality show and the city that shows up gets top spot an expansion team. But no, they go to Sacramento. This is an incredible idea. Put it on Netflix.. it would be great for the game and bring a lot of positive press.
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Post by asm18 on Apr 4, 2024 18:40:42 GMT -5
Would LOVE Montreal but I think it's Vegas, Salt Lake and Nashville for teams 30-32 This made me curious... List of largest US metros by population that don't have an MLB team:
12. Riverside/San Bernardino, CA (not a real city) 21. Orlando (if Tampa can barely support a team...)
22. Charlotte 24. San Antonio 25. Portland 26. Austin 28, Sacramento (just leave the A's there!) 29. Las Vegas 32. Columbus, OH 34. Indianapolis 35. Nashville 36. San Jose 37. Virginia Beach/Norfolk 38. Jacksonville 39. Providence (neighborhood in south Boston) . . .
46. Salt Lake City Sticking Charlotte with the A’s when they already have to bear through the Hornets and the David Tepper Panthers just seems mean haha In terms of places that already have established records of being great sports cities, I’m surprised Indianapolis (no. 34) hasn’t popped up? They do the NFL combine there every year, they’ve hosted Super Bowls, they have functional sports franchises in the Colts and Pacers. Are fans there already attached to teams in the Midwest (Cubs, Cardinals, Tigers, the Ohio teams)?
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Post by yuchangclan on Apr 4, 2024 19:12:16 GMT -5
I'm of two minds with the above quotes about A's ownership. On the one hand, he is definitely tanking, and working hard to get out of dodge. And on the other, the situation in Oakland has been pretty bad for a long time. The ballpark itself is terrible, and not in a very good part of the city in that it is surrounded by parking lots and industry. And the city itself has all kinds of problems from historic mismanagement, to geographic factors to unlucky timing. Just look at the growth of the area in general over the last 5-30 years, versus the stagnation of Oakland really since 1950. It is a sprawling car-centric city in a desert, prone to natural disasters. That doesn't mean it couldn't be great, but a lot of things have conspired to make it bad. Don't forget that the other two pro sports teams have left in recent years as well. Again, I don't mean to absolve the owner of wrong-doing, nor to encourage cities to spend ungodly sums on ballparks to keep their teams around. The right owner could have collaborated with the Warriors to build in an up and coming area, create a vibrant district, profit off the real estate, and be a part of the solution rather than the problem. But I the owner is also in an awful situation that likely cannot support a sports team without significant investment. He's getting a sweetheart deal in another city, and why wouldn't he take advantage. ADD: I selfishly don't want them to leave the name in Oakland. I love that the A's are a nomadic team, which has brought MLB to ever deeper frontiers. The name is city-agnostic anyway. Maybe they leave behind the green and yellow color-scheme? Maybe they should even consider a partial barnstorming season before they move? I hope they officially change their name to the Sacramento Athletics for the next three years.
I say boo to this, but there is something to be said for this spirit of total placelessness. The A's are everywhere and nowhere, a state of mind, your hometown team and mine should we merely choose to claim it is so.
I vote for “Northern California Baseball Team”. It just rolls off the tongue.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Apr 4, 2024 20:14:14 GMT -5
Didn't know how many here hd seen the Oakland management folks had passed around memo to emploees at the stadium, prior to game 1 vs sox to avoid many things vs fans. like avoiding anything as Oakland as their home.. Many other comical items. Try to post the twitter feed, not able will post link to it. I'm going to hurry up and order my $89 (half price!) A's denim jacket. I'm sure they're selling fast!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 4, 2024 23:23:44 GMT -5
I hope they officially change their name to the Sacramento Athletics for the next three years. I say boo to this, but there is something to be said for this spirit of total placelessness. The A's are everywhere and nowhere, a state of mind, your hometown team and mine should we merely choose to claim it is so.
I vote for “Northern California Baseball Team”. It just rolls off the tongue. I was thinking the Homeless A's (Freaking A's is too easy, lol). Or maybe they could become the Los Angeles A's of Sacramento. So ridiculous that they simply cant be the Sacramento A's for a few years until they become the Las Vegas A's.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Apr 5, 2024 4:33:53 GMT -5
Would LOVE Montreal but I think it's Vegas, Salt Lake and Nashville for teams 30-32 This made me curious... List of largest US metros by population that don't have an MLB team: 12. Riverside/San Bernardino, CA (not a real city) 21. Orlando (if Tampa can barely support a team...)
22. Charlotte 24. San Antonio 25. Portland 26. Austin 28, Sacramento (just leave the A's there!) 29. Las Vegas 32. Columbus, OH 34. Indianapolis 35. Nashville 36. San Jose 37. Virginia Beach/Norfolk 38. Jacksonville 39. Providence (neighborhood in south Boston) . . .
46. Salt Lake City There are *two* solid options for the A's to stay in their own region, in San Jose and Sacramento, but I guess the Giants were being dicks about that. Failing that, I think Charlotte (fast-growing Sun Belt city), Portland (awful place where sports distracts from the general malaise), and San Antonio/Austin (5 million people combined) would all make sense. I don't know why Nashville gets so much hype; it's smaller than each of San Antonio and Austin individually, and not as fast-growing as either.
I believe Tampa proper would have always been able to put 25k+ into a stadium. As most know, They play in St Petersburgh, in an awful stadium that might only be a tad over 10m from Tampa, but another world away travel wise anytime there is heavy/medium traffic. bottlenecks occur frequently, the bridge from hell generally being the start point. An issue towards getting any kind of stadium located on the Tampa side of the bay, is that taxpayers are not keen on forking over the money to subsidize a new one. Last I heard and maybe things have changed in pinellas county, but they thought could convince enough to get one thru on a future ballot. I don't see why, that will forever be the wrong side of the bay to fill a stadium. yes.. Orlando would have been the perfect locale, even over Tampa. Orlando is not just orlando anymore. Orange county is now a sprawling metropolis area and it's all easilly accesable, 2 major highways, multiple tool roads and no built in bottleneck bridge.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 5, 2024 20:44:05 GMT -5
Ceddanne's near-catch Wednesday on the shot that went straight over his head (in the 4th?) was one of the most astounding things I've ever seen on a baseball field in person. When the ball was hit it looked like it might be out and looking at where CR was, turning his back and starting to run, it was "maybe he'll be able to play a good carom off the wall." Then it was "he's too close to the wall, it's going to bounce off the wall past him... HOLY MACKEREL!! DID HE CATCH IT?!?" ... which I did shout out loud (there was a family with small kids in the row in front of me...). Then he's crashing into the wall and trying corral the bouncing ball at the same time. So close to the greatest catch I've ever seen. The best CF I ever saw on a regular basis was Andruw Jones (I lived in GA in the 90s) but if CR sticks as a regular, he could replace AJ on that pedestal for me (would be nice if CR comes close to AJ's bat too...).
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Post by bishop on Apr 6, 2024 14:08:40 GMT -5
Would LOVE Montreal but I think it's Vegas, Salt Lake and Nashville for teams 30-32 This made me curious... List of largest US metros by population that don't have an MLB team:
12. Riverside/San Bernardino, CA (not a real city) 21. Orlando (if Tampa can barely support a team...)
22. Charlotte 24. San Antonio 25. Portland 26. Austin 28, Sacramento (just leave the A's there!) 29. Las Vegas 32. Columbus, OH 34. Indianapolis 35. Nashville 36. San Jose 37. Virginia Beach/Norfolk 38. Jacksonville 39. Providence (neighborhood in south Boston) . . .
46. Salt Lake City
There are *two* solid options for the A's to stay in their own region, in San Jose and Sacramento, but I guess the Giants were being dicks about that. Failing that, I think Charlotte (fast-growing Sun Belt city), Portland (awful place where sports distracts from the general malaise), and San Antonio/Austin (5 million people combined) would all make sense.
I don't know why Nashville gets so much hype; it's smaller than each of San Antonio and Austin individually, and not as fast-growing as either.
I live in Charlotte, having AAA baseball (and hockey) is perfect, and the Knights stadium is a pretty great location and experience. But I don't think an MLB team would be well supported, the general order for sports teams people care about down here are UNC and Duke basketball, the Panthers, Clemson football, other college basketball teams, other college football teams, the Hornets, the MLS team, then maybe you get to baseball. 90% of the people who love baseball are already Braves fans or transplants like me from Boston, New York, Pittsburgh etc with teams already. SA/Austin would be great, idk if the Rangers have some territorial claim there. And I think SLC would be higher in terms of media market, similarly to the Sox in New England or the Braves in the southeast they'd become the team for like 5 states
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