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Post by grandsalami on Apr 9, 2024 10:59:00 GMT -5
RHP Nick Pivetta on the 15-Day Injured List, retroactive to April 6, with a right elbow flexor strain.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Apr 9, 2024 11:00:07 GMT -5
This season man.
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Post by nomar on Apr 9, 2024 11:00:09 GMT -5
And just like that Criswell is likely in the rotation with absolutely nothing behind him. Bravo
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 9, 2024 11:02:53 GMT -5
And just like that Criswell is likely in the rotation with absolutely nothing behind him. Bravo Literally every pitcher in the league is getting injured, so you would need a crap load of depth to not have issues with pitcher injuries
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 9, 2024 11:03:51 GMT -5
I was more bearish on this team than anyone and expected injuries to play a big part of that, but we're 10 games in and have had 2 bad injuries to 2 normally healthy guys 10 games into the season. Not to mention Story.
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Post by nomar on Apr 9, 2024 11:06:30 GMT -5
And just like that Criswell is likely in the rotation with absolutely nothing behind him. Bravo Literally every pitcher in the league is getting injured, so you would need a crap load of depth to not have issues with pitcher injuries Ok well they should have landed somewhere between “a crap load” and “only Criswell”
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 9, 2024 11:07:11 GMT -5
Literally every pitcher in the league is getting injured, so you would need a crap load of depth to not have issues with pitcher injuries Ok well they should have landed somewhere between “a crap load” and “only Criswell” the two pitchers that got injured for the Sox have been workhorses, so.... no you are wrong
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 9, 2024 11:09:01 GMT -5
Was only a matter of time before pitch metric king Nick Pivetta had some elbow trouble IMO. Hope it's not too bad and he can come back looking great before his free agency.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 9, 2024 11:09:12 GMT -5
Isn’t the fact that pitchers are getting injured more often even more of a reason to add pitching depth? Anyways this stinks
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 9, 2024 11:11:43 GMT -5
Standard rule in Baseball, you can never have enough starting pitchers. Usually you want 7-8 guys. This isn’t bad luck, it happens to every team every single year except for a few lucky teams every now and then. It's a crazy long season, major depth is a huge part of the game. We basically had zero starting pitching depth to start the year.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 9, 2024 11:12:59 GMT -5
Framber; Pivetta, Bieber, Pivetta, going down (and thats just a few of the dozens that have been injured and its not even the middle of april)
Should tell you no matter the type of pitcher you are (including the once reliable workhorse) you are more likely to be IL'd than in any previous season
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Post by nomar on Apr 9, 2024 11:19:12 GMT -5
Ok well they should have landed somewhere between “a crap load” and “only Criswell” the two pitchers that got injured for the Sox have been workhorses, so.... no you are wrong They decided to add no depth to a thin rotation that already lost Giolito for the year. There was plenty of offseason left to add an arm once he went down and they simply chose not to. That’s what was “wrong”
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 9, 2024 11:23:38 GMT -5
Good grief....
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 9, 2024 11:26:00 GMT -5
Ok well they should have landed somewhere between “a crap load” and “only Criswell” the two pitchers that got injured for the Sox have been workhorses, so.... no you are wrong They had the space for another name that lived a few minutes from the park (might have had to trade someone to squeeze him in). The two guys that got hurt were work horses, that's true, but I think the idea was to protect from any injury or two which every rotation will suffer and to push Whitlock and Houck down to the bullpen to improve that area in the interim. The good news though is this has given us a chance to see Houck do his best 2000-Pedro impression. I'm not sure I'm ready to trust Houck, Whitlock or Bello to eclipse (see what I did there?) 32 starts so the workhorses going down isn't a great start.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 9, 2024 11:33:36 GMT -5
Bracing myself for the media campaign to scapegoat everyone in the org associated with Driveline to come
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 9, 2024 11:35:35 GMT -5
Framber; Pivetta, Bieber, Pivetta, going down (and thats just a few of the dozens that have been injured and its not even the middle of april) Should tell you no matter the type of pitcher you are (including the once reliable workhorse) you are more likely to be IL'd than in any previous season They could have had another starter or two and began with Houck and Whitlock in the pen and a couple of the pen guys in AAA so when injuries inevitably hit, the oh no you must start Houck and Whitlock crowd would still be appeased as they still wind up in the rotation but now with less quality depth behind them instead. Too bad the Sox had no money for depth. Oh wait. At some point you have to stop being such a front office sycophant. They do a lot of things very well (Breslow traded very well this offseason) but sometimes they dont which you can never seem to acknowledge. You just go into defense attorney mode.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 9, 2024 11:36:37 GMT -5
Well this sucks.
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Post by itinerantherb on Apr 9, 2024 11:37:03 GMT -5
I went into this season worried that Criswell would be in the rotation by May. Looks like my worst case scenario was overly optimistic.
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Post by cdj on Apr 9, 2024 11:40:53 GMT -5
I’d imagine we may be an injury away from seeing Fitts
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 9, 2024 11:42:01 GMT -5
Framber; Pivetta, Bieber, Pivetta, going down (and thats just a few of the dozens that have been injured and its not even the middle of april) Should tell you no matter the type of pitcher you are (including the once reliable workhorse) you are more likely to be IL'd than in any previous season They could have had another starter or two and began with Houck and Whitlock in the pen and a couple of the pen guys in AAA so when injuries inevitably hit, the oh no you must start Houck and Whitlock crowd would still be appeased as they still wind up in the rotation but now with less quality depth behind them instead. Too bad the Sox had no money for depth. Oh wait. At some point you have to stop being such a front office sycophant. They do a lot of things very well (Breslow traded very well this offseason) but sometimes they dont which you can never seem to acknowledge. You just go into defense attorney mode. I will say this about Whitlock and Houck. If people are dead set on letting them continue to get their cracks in the rotation then I'd rather they just start in the rotation rather than jerk them around. I've soured on them both in the rotation, but Houck more than Whitlock and so far this year Houck has been absolutely electric. I'm assuming he was the odd guy out before Giolito went down too. That's not to say adding more depth wouldn't be possible.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 9, 2024 11:44:34 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 9, 2024 11:48:11 GMT -5
They could have had another starter or two and began with Houck and Whitlock in the pen and a couple of the pen guys in AAA so when injuries inevitably hit, the oh no you must start Houck and Whitlock crowd would still be appeased as they still wind up in the rotation but now with less quality depth behind them instead. Too bad the Sox had no money for depth. Oh wait. At some point you have to stop being such a front office sycophant. They do a lot of things very well (Breslow traded very well this offseason) but sometimes they dont which you can never seem to acknowledge. You just go into defense attorney mode. I will say this about Whitlock and Houck. If people are dead set on letting them continue to get their cracks in the rotation then I'd rather they just start in the rotation rather than jerk them around. I've soured on them both in the rotation, but Houck more than Whitlock and so far this year Houck has been absolutely electric. I'm assuming he was the odd guy out before Giolito went down too. That's not to say adding more depth wouldn't be possible. The bolded is an aspect of this some people conveniently ignore when they act like the Red Sox had a ton of room to add more starters. This isn't a video game where you can just move guys around with no side effects, especially with pitching there is specific preparation that goes into whatever your role is going to be. It would obviously be nice to have another starter right now, even if it was one in the Clevinger tier, but those acting as if it's completely black and white that they could have signed another one if they simply wanted to are being pretty ignorant of some possible contextual factors. They very well may have tried, but I also wouldn't blame someone in that Clevinger tier if they felt they could secure a more defined role elsewhere (as Clevinger has seemingly done with a terrible White Sox rotation). The FO was in a tough spot. From the reporting it seems as if they were open to adding another guy, but weren't going to over-exert themselves to do so. It's easy to say in hindsight this didn't work out for them, but I think anyone arguing that it was unequivocally the right or wrong move is failing to argue in good faith (surprise, surprise...).
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Post by 0ap0 on Apr 9, 2024 11:48:18 GMT -5
I’d imagine we may be an injury away from seeing Fitts Frankly, harder to imagine otherwise.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 9, 2024 11:48:25 GMT -5
Framber; Pivetta, Bieber, Pivetta, going down (and thats just a few of the dozens that have been injured and its not even the middle of april) Should tell you no matter the type of pitcher you are (including the once reliable workhorse) you are more likely to be IL'd than in any previous season They could have had another starter or two and began with Houck and Whitlock in the pen and a couple of the pen guys in AAA so when injuries inevitably hit, the oh no you must start Houck and Whitlock crowd would still be appeased as they still wind up in the rotation but now with less quality depth behind them instead. Too bad the Sox had no money for depth. Oh wait. At some point you have to stop being such a front office sycophant. They do a lot of things very well (Breslow traded very well this offseason) but sometimes they dont which you can never seem to acknowledge. You just go into defense attorney mode. Im not being a damn sycophant... The amount of pitching injuries league wide should be sounding alarm bells at MLB HQ... You have pitchers who were the traditional/reliable rubber arm/workhorse now getting season-ending injures... I cannot recall the last time there were this many injures and its only APRIL.. that's unmanageable for any team regardless of the amount of pitching depth one has
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 9, 2024 11:50:55 GMT -5
They could have had another starter or two and began with Houck and Whitlock in the pen and a couple of the pen guys in AAA so when injuries inevitably hit, the oh no you must start Houck and Whitlock crowd would still be appeased as they still wind up in the rotation but now with less quality depth behind them instead. Too bad the Sox had no money for depth. Oh wait. At some point you have to stop being such a front office sycophant. They do a lot of things very well (Breslow traded very well this offseason) but sometimes they dont which you can never seem to acknowledge. You just go into defense attorney mode. Im not being a damn sycophant... The amount of pitching injuries league wide should be sounding alarm bells at MLB HQ... You have pitchers who were the traditional/reliable rubber arm/workhorse now getting season-ending injures... I cannot recall the last time there were this many injures and its only APRIL This is tangential but I do wonder if, historically, pitcher injuries typically happen earlier in the year when they're still ramping up in a sense vs. the middle of the season when they are in a more well-defined rhythm, and I wonder if that is something that we'll see this year. That's probably wishful thinking, but my hope is that once pitchers get in their groove, the injuries will slow.
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