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4/12-4/14 Red Sox vs. Angels Series Thread
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 12, 2024 6:28:25 GMT -5
4/12 Red Sox (RHP Tanner Houck, 2-0, 0.00, 12.0 IP, 17K:2BB) vs. Angels (LHP Reid Detmers, 2-0, 1.64, 11.0 IP, 19K:4BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 4/13 Red Sox (TBD) vs. Angels (RHP Griffin Canning, 0-1, 8.38, 9.2 IP, 6K:4BB) 4:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 4/14 Red Sox (RHP Brayan Bello, 1-1, 4.11, 15.1 IP, 11K:3BB) vs. Angles (LHP Tyler Anderson, 2-0, 0.00, 14.0 IP, 8K:3BB) 1:35 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2024: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 12, 2024 7:37:34 GMT -5
Feels a bit like a no-win series. They sweep and it just continues to be an indictment on the Angels and shows the Red Sox are fine against terrible teams.
They lose and I think the flood gates open up.
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Post by cdj on Apr 12, 2024 7:39:10 GMT -5
Feels a bit like a no-win series. They sweep and it just continues to be an indictment on the Angels and shows the Red Sox are fine against terrible teams. They lose and I think the flood gates open up. They sweep and I’m back in on them. They’re hemorrhaging right now and they need to stop the bleeding, idc if they schedule an exhibition game against a little league team to do it |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 12, 2024 7:47:19 GMT -5
Feels a bit like a no-win series. They sweep and it just continues to be an indictment on the Angels and shows the Red Sox are fine against terrible teams. They lose and I think the flood gates open up. They sweep and I’m back in on them. They’re hemorrhaging right now and they need to stop the bleeding, idc if they schedule an exhibition game against a little league team to do it It'll definitely be a morale boost, but I guess it just leaves the question open as to are they decent or are they bad whereas a series loss gives more of an answer. Granted, half month samples aren't the greatest either. |
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 12, 2024 8:47:36 GMT -5
Let’s not forget that the Orioles are a good team and sometimes they’ll lose to good teams. It doesn’t mean the season is over. They were never gonna be worldbeaters, but they could still be a high 80s win squad.
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Post by ephus on Apr 12, 2024 8:54:58 GMT -5
Feels a bit like a no-win series. They sweep and it just continues to be an indictment on the Angels and shows the Red Sox are fine against terrible teams. They lose and I think the flood gates open up. Respectfully disagree. Beating the bad teams is what good teams do. So far this Red Sox team has shown they are what many thought they’d be - a decidedly middle of the pack team with the potential to maybe steal a playoff spot when all is said and done. So far they have split with a Mariners team that many expected to be in thick of the playoff chase, beaten up on the As and Angels who are expected to be terrible and gotten obliterated by an Orioles team than many expect to represent the AL in the World Series. If they are able to win the next two series, they continue this trend. Then come the surprising Pirates, another young team that is trying to take the next step forward, and a Cleveland team that is, like Boston, still finding its identity. None of this will build any excitement but I just hope the starting pitching continues to surprise, Rafaela and Abreu starts giving us better swings and maybe soon we get see the second baseman we’re all desperate to see. edit: If they lose, you’re right. but that is too terrible to fathom at the moment. |
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 12, 2024 8:56:59 GMT -5
Feels a bit like a no-win series. |
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Post by asm18 on Apr 12, 2024 9:09:41 GMT -5
At least we have the unstoppable Tanner Houck-Chase Anderson combination tonight! My expectations are that Houck will go deep into the game and dominate - which is certainly not something I would have expected before.
The season will be already 10% of the way through after this series thanks to unyielding flow of time. 9-7 or 10-6 would be a marginally better start than 2023 (8-8) or 2022 (7-9).
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Post by incandenza on Apr 12, 2024 9:22:03 GMT -5
Red Sox starters' collective ERA is 1.45 in 68 IP. Last season there was exactly one pitcher who had a lower ERA in 60+ IP (Brusdar Graterol, 1.20 in 67 IP). So in an equivalent sample size the entire Red Sox rotation has pitched like the most dominant relievers in the game.
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Post by cdj on Apr 12, 2024 9:23:47 GMT -5
Let’s not forget that the Orioles are a good team and sometimes they’ll lose to good teams. It doesn’t mean the season is over. They were never gonna be worldbeaters, but they could still be a high 80s win squad. Yeah and it’s not like they got massively outplayed, they just shot themselves in the foot in 2 games Now granted the way they did it was exactly how they did it last year so that part definitely hurts, but the pitching has still been largely great and you gotta figure the lineup will hit a little bit better |
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Post by asm18 on Apr 12, 2024 9:40:32 GMT -5
The Astros are 4-10 and have a worse record than the Oakland-Sacramento-Vegas A's. Uhhhh what?
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Post by manfred on Apr 12, 2024 9:42:32 GMT -5
Feels a bit like a no-win series. They sweep and it just continues to be an indictment on the Angels and shows the Red Sox are fine against terrible teams. They lose and I think the flood gates open up. Fine against terrible teams would actually work. I mean, few teams are the Orioles. If they can consistently beat bad to ok teams and manage a few wins against great teams, they have a good season. The road to a bad season is not losing to elite teams… it is losing to lesser teams. 7-6. Were they to sweep, they’d be back to a 100-win pace. Hard to see a loss in that. Obviously they won’t win 100 games, but being there after 10% of the season is a plus. So sweep godd**n it!! |
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Post by GyIantosca on Apr 12, 2024 9:42:46 GMT -5
I mean game 2 were up 5-0 come on. Last night 2-1 2 outs in the 8th. You lose it’s a loss. I guess it hurts more.
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Post by rhswanzey on Apr 12, 2024 9:56:43 GMT -5
How do we feel about optioning Campbell to get an extra arm up? Have to figure he’s down for definitely game 1 and likely game 2.
Probably need Winck (3 days rest) or Anderson (4) for game 2; neither is likely to top four innings. Pen is kind of spent as it is, so you might want to use Anderson tonight.
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Post by manfred on Apr 12, 2024 10:27:16 GMT -5
How do we feel about optioning Campbell to get an extra arm up? Have to figure he’s down for definitely game 1 and likely game 2. Probably need Winck (3 days rest) or Anderson (4) for game 2; neither is likely to top four innings. Pen is kind of spent as it is, so you might want to use Anderson tonight. I’m in favor of optioning Campbell to get a box of ice cream sandwiches. |
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Post by asm18 on Apr 12, 2024 10:55:08 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Apr 12, 2024 10:58:29 GMT -5
How do we feel about optioning Campbell to get an extra arm up? Have to figure he’s down for definitely game 1 and likely game 2. Probably need Winck (3 days rest) or Anderson (4) for game 2; neither is likely to top four innings. Pen is kind of spent as it is, so you might want to use Anderson tonight. I think you have to do it, he was throwing 90 last night so he needs some down time. Couldn’t hurt him- let him go down there and sit for a few games and then recollect himself for a couple games against AAA hitting before coming back up. We’ve seen him be effective- he was really good before getting lit up like a pumpkin by Baltimore |
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Post by cheers on Apr 12, 2024 11:02:17 GMT -5
The board's aggregate perspective is oddly skewed after the dreadful O's series. If you'd have told me at the beginning of the season that the Sox would be 7-6 right now, I'd have been thrilled - and think most of us would have thought that was OK.
So. I'm not going to panic after the putrid O's series. I was more pessimistic than most (74 wins) going into the season, so maybe my expectations are just easier to meet. FWIW, I think my 74 looks low, despite the apparent cloning of the 2023 middle infield black hole.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 12, 2024 11:07:12 GMT -5
It's really mind-boggling... Story, in some ways, has been *precisely* the thing this team needs - a perfect fit for stabilizing the defense and supporting the pitching staff. Last year he was injured for most of the year, and things couldn't possibly have gone worse. It was a disaster for the team, and in just such a way as to produce the most frustrating fan experience imaginable.
So after that miserable trial, he comes back healthy this season, has a monster spring training, looks incredible on defense for a week - just exactly what the team needed. A huge breath of pristine alpine meadow air.
And then: season-ending injury, followed by a comedy of literal errors, every single one of which seems to bite the team in the ass. And we are staring ahead at a long hard summer of exactly the sort that we thought we had left behind in 2023.
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 12, 2024 11:08:53 GMT -5
It's really mind-boggling... Story, in some ways, has been *precisely* the thing this team needs - a perfect fit for stabilizing the defense and supporting the pitching staff. Last year he was injured for most of the year, and things couldn't possibly have gone worse. It was a disaster for the team, and in just such a way as to produce the most frustrating fan experience imaginable.
So after that miserable trial, he comes back healthy this season, has a monster spring training, looks incredible on defense for a week - just exactly what the team needed. A huge breath of pristine alpine meadow air.
And then: season-ending injury, followed by a comedy of literal errors, every single one of which seems to bite the team in the ass. And we are staring ahead at a long hard summer of exactly the sort that we thought we had left behind in 2023.
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Post by ctdiehard on Apr 12, 2024 11:40:53 GMT -5
Feels a bit like a no-win series. They sweep and it just continues to be an indictment on the Angels and shows the Red Sox are fine against terrible teams. They lose and I think the flood gates open up. With Devers, Story and Grissom not playing the Sox have a triple A infield. Tough to win with that. |
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Post by asm18 on Apr 12, 2024 11:41:58 GMT -5
It's really mind-boggling... Story, in some ways, has been *precisely* the thing this team needs - a perfect fit for stabilizing the defense and supporting the pitching staff. Last year he was injured for most of the year, and things couldn't possibly have gone worse. It was a disaster for the team, and in just such a way as to produce the most frustrating fan experience imaginable.
So after that miserable trial, he comes back healthy this season, has a monster spring training, looks incredible on defense for a week - just exactly what the team needed. A huge breath of pristine alpine meadow air.
And then: season-ending injury, followed by a comedy of literal errors, every single one of which seems to bite the team in the ass. And we are staring ahead at a long hard summer of exactly the sort that we thought we had left behind in 2023.
I just don't understand how the drop-off at SS is so severe that's it either "Gold Glove caliber" or "does not know how to step on a base" and with seemingly no basic competent options in-between (who aren't Rafaela). Nick Ahmed signed a minor league deal, Brandon Crawford signed a 1 year 2 mil deal to be a backup. Those guys exist. Heck, the team has been drafting California shortstops en masse for 4 years now lol! Yet there's not anyone in the org major-league ready or otherwise who can complete a double play? To paraphrase the GOAT, "We have kids at Foxboro high school who can do that." |
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 12, 2024 11:46:13 GMT -5
Dalbec's back up so either Romy or Devers to the IL.
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Post by cdj on Apr 12, 2024 11:47:47 GMT -5
Dalbec's back up so either Romy or Devers to the IL. |
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Post by wamderingdude on Apr 12, 2024 11:52:14 GMT -5
Dalbec legitimately might be hitting in the heart of the order tonight. This is a lot of fun
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