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Post by incandenza on Apr 15, 2024 5:44:05 GMT -5
It's curious that these inferior balls are causing Jansen to issue more walks but not anyone else on the team or around the league.
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Post by geostorm on Apr 15, 2024 5:55:05 GMT -5
It's curious that these inferior balls are causing Jansen to issue more walks but not anyone else on the team or around the league. I wasn't able to find a report, comparing BB% 2023 v 2024, for every pitchers 1st inning pitched, to get a crude comparison of RP + SP 1st, but, did see this, which seems to support KJansen > your analysis?
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Post by incandenza on Apr 15, 2024 6:07:48 GMT -5
It's curious that these inferior balls are causing Jansen to issue more walks but not anyone else on the team or around the league. I wasn't able to find a report, comparing BB% 2023 v 2024, for every pitchers 1st inning pitched, to get a crude comparison of RP + SP 1st, but, did see this, which seems to support KJansen > your analysis?
Why would you want to limit it to the first inning pitched?
Walks overall are up slightly from last year 3.45/game from 3.25/game. As a team the Red Sox have thrown 2.72 BB/9, down from 3.13 last season. But Jansen's are up from 3.43 to, uh, 12.71.
I'm not saying Jansen's wrong about the balls. But this is at the most a small part of the story with his personal performance.
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Post by geostorm on Apr 15, 2024 6:17:31 GMT -5
I wasn't able to find a report, comparing BB% 2023 v 2024, for every pitchers 1st inning pitched, to get a crude comparison of RP + SP 1st, but, did see this, which seems to support KJansen > your analysis?
Why would you want to limit it to the first inning pitched?
Walks overall are up slightly from last year 3.45/game from 3.25/game. But Jansen's are up from 3.43 to, uh, 12.71. Did mention "crude" since RP come in typically high pressure + only 1 inning v SPs that may have a chance to get used to the new balls...but, you go on with your analysis and your flippant follow up, with slightly better analysis than 1st post
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Post by incandenza on Apr 15, 2024 6:36:30 GMT -5
Why would you want to limit it to the first inning pitched?
Walks overall are up slightly from last year 3.45/game from 3.25/game. But Jansen's are up from 3.43 to, uh, 12.71. Did mention "crude" since RP come in typically high pressure + only 1 inning v SPs that may have a chance to get used to the new balls...but, you go on with your analysis and your flippant follow up, with slightly better analysis than 1st post Err... There might have been a miscommunication of tone here; I was just genuinely wondering why you'd focus on the first inning. Not trying to be dismissive. In any case, if the issue is that the game balls aren't rubbed up it seems like that's an issue that would just generally be a problem for pitcher control? Not sure if it's something they could adjust to.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 15, 2024 7:55:10 GMT -5
You were always expecting the exceptional starting pitching, I take it? Agreed that it's very early, though.
Most teams have strong stretches of starting pitching for about a month. They also have month long struggles too. I'm not convinced it will hold up especially as some of these guys pass 120 innings. To be honest most of these starts are five and dive which still overworks the pen. It doesnt overly impress me, but I know that's more a statement of the modern game than the individual Red Sox staff, as all staffs do five and dive these days. It seems like you're already somewhat on this wavelength, but the team with the longest average starts last year, Seattle, only posted around 5.5 innings per start. If they can 5 and dive effectively for 120 innings the team should be in pretty good shape even if a few guys drop off; 120 IP is 3/4 of a season at 5 innings per start.
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 15, 2024 8:38:39 GMT -5
carlos torres called a great game btw. if every ump was like this, baseball fans wouldn't be so impatient to get to the robot umps
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Post by Jimmy on Apr 15, 2024 9:07:43 GMT -5
It's curious that these inferior balls are causing Jansen to issue more walks but not anyone else on the team or around the league. Anecdotal but I’ve been noticing a lot of cutters missing way high this season - and not just Jansen I thought it might be intentional because we’ve been getting some ugly swing and miss off them Also might be because we are utilizing more cutters (again anecdotal) However is it possible “inferior balls” impacts cutter control more than other pitches? Then this would start to add up considering Kenley throws almost exclusively cutters
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Post by cdj on Apr 15, 2024 9:46:14 GMT -5
It's curious that these inferior balls are causing Jansen to issue more walks but not anyone else on the team or around the league. Anecdotal but I’ve been noticing a lot of cutters missing way high this season - and not just Jansen I thought it might be intentional because we’ve been getting some ugly swing and miss off them Also might be because we are utilizing more cutters (again anecdotal) However is it possible “inferior balls” impacts cutter control more than other pitches? Then this would start to add up considering Kenley throws almost exclusively cutters Fairbanks has definitely complained about it as well, it’s not something Kenley is making up
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 15, 2024 10:07:54 GMT -5
Most teams have strong stretches of starting pitching for about a month. They also have month long struggles too. I'm not convinced it will hold up especially as some of these guys pass 120 innings. To be honest most of these starts are five and dive which still overworks the pen. It doesnt overly impress me, but I know that's more a statement of the modern game than the individual Red Sox staff, as all staffs do five and dive these days. It seems like you're already somewhat on this wavelength, but the team with the longest average starts last year, Seattle, only posted around 5.5 innings per start. If they can 5 and dive effectively for 120 innings the team should be in pretty good shape even if a few guys drop off; 120 IP is 3/4 of a season at 5 innings per start. The Red Sox are usually fine for hanging in about 108 to 120 games. It's been the last 40 - 54 games that have been a doozy the past couple of seasons.
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Post by okin15 on Apr 15, 2024 11:12:43 GMT -5
The Red Sox are usually fine for hanging in about 108 to 120 games. It's been the last 40 - 54 games that have been a doozy the past couple of seasons. Reminds me of when I was a kid!
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