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Post by notstarboard on Apr 14, 2024 15:34:18 GMT -5
Kenley now has 8 BB, 9 K, 1 HBP, and 1 measly bloop single allowed in 5.2 IP. No one is hitting him, but nearly every save has been a clencher.
Mercifully the endless mistakes this game were not punished.
4-2 against the Angels on the year, season series over.
Let's take 3 of 4 from Cleveland and salvage a .500 homestand.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 14, 2024 15:34:36 GMT -5
And if Kenley gave it up Cora would have been roasted and for good reason
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Post by nomar on Apr 14, 2024 15:34:48 GMT -5
That was an important series W
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 14, 2024 15:34:58 GMT -5
Bloom got canned for amongst a few reasons: Not trading Sale last year, add signing Kenley and not trading him. Never liked the signing. I wouldn't trust him any further than I could throw him, and I couldnt pick him up.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 14, 2024 15:36:29 GMT -5
And if Kenley gave it up Cora would have been roasted and for good reason As the late great Harry Caray was fond of saying, "If ifs and buts were candy & nuts, every day would be fricking* Christmas!" * added for effect.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 14, 2024 15:38:10 GMT -5
And if Kenley gave it up Cora would have been roasted and for good reason As the late great Harry Caray was fond of saying, "If ifs and buts were candy & nuts, every day would be fricking* Christmas!" * added for effect. Results are ultimately what matters so good for them, but it was still stupid.
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 14, 2024 15:38:26 GMT -5
And if Kenley gave it up Cora would have been roasted and for good reason Honestly, with the fact Kenley has owned Trout in his career (SSS but 12 at bats 9 strikeouts) and how bad his control is making loading the bases a risk, I think it's a defensible call.
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Post by cdj on Apr 14, 2024 15:39:06 GMT -5
Bloom got canned for amongst a few reasons: Not trading Sale last year, add signing Kenley and not trading him. Never liked the signing. I wouldn't trust him any further than I could throw him, and I couldnt pick him up. Well Kenley was really good last year and still hasn’t blown a save yet this year so you can’t really say it’s a bad move. It’s far from the reason he was canned. If it was then Jansen would’ve been moved this offseason!
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Post by incandenza on Apr 14, 2024 15:39:24 GMT -5
Alls well that ends well. Jansen isn't right but somehow got out of it. Cora should have had Trout walked but he got away with it.Guess 2 wrongs made a right. If Cora had walked the bases loaded in that situation I would have initiated a personal vendetta against him. It would be passed down through the generations, against his children, and his children's children.
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Post by asm18 on Apr 14, 2024 15:41:24 GMT -5
Kenley might be healthy enough to pitch, but Bailey and co need to help him find his mechanics. Every game he’s struggling to find it when he gets on the mound, before letting it rip like he did against Renigfo and Trout.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 14, 2024 15:43:00 GMT -5
Jansen giving me 2018 Kimbrel flashbacks. Hopefully this season has a couple other similarities to that one.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 14, 2024 15:44:55 GMT -5
Alls well that ends well. Jansen isn't right but somehow got out of it. Cora should have had Trout walked but he got away with it.Guess 2 wrongs made a right. If Cora had walked the bases loaded in that situation I would have initiated a personal vendetta against him. It would be passed down through the generation, against his children, and his children's children. So you would have been cool if they let a generational hitter on a team bereft of offensive talent beat them? I would have been ripshit if Trout got a go ahead hit when they could have walked him. Christ, the 2013 Cardinals lost a freaking world series because they were too stupid to walk David Ortiz. Hell, that's one of the reasons the 67 Sox won - other teams refused to intentionally walk Yaz in key spots and he kept making them pay over and over and over again.
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 14, 2024 15:49:42 GMT -5
The Guardians just scored 3 runs in the bottom of the 10th to walk off the Yankees
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 14, 2024 15:50:16 GMT -5
The Guardians just scored 3 runs in the bottom of the 10th to walk off the Yankees Verdugo dogged a grounder in the 10th which led to a DP
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 14, 2024 15:52:46 GMT -5
The Guardians just scored 3 runs in the bottom of the 10th to walk off the Yankees Verdugo dogged a grounder in the 10th which led to a DP Epitome of addition by subtraction.
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 14, 2024 15:55:15 GMT -5
Verdugo dogged a grounder in the 10th which led to a DP Epitome of addition by subtraction.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 14, 2024 15:55:32 GMT -5
If Cora had walked the bases loaded in that situation I would have initiated a personal vendetta against him. It would be passed down through the generation, against his children, and his children's children. So you would have been cool if they let a generational hitter on a team bereft of offensive talent beat them? I would have been ripshit if Trout got a go ahead hit when they could have walked him. Christ, the 2013 Cardinals lost a freaking world series because they were too stupid to walk David Ortiz. Hell, that's one of the reasons the 67 Sox won - other teams refused to intentionally walk Yaz in key spots and he kept making them pay over and over and over again. In that specific situation:
- With runners on 2nd and 3rd, the Angels need a hit to tie the score or go ahead. With the bases loaded a walk ties the score. Kenley hasn't been giving up hits but he has been walking a ton of guys. - The dropoff from Trout to Ward is not that huge. Ward has a 167 wRC+, 25 points lower than Trout. By projections it's similar. But if Ward is coming up with the bases loaded he's obviously more dangerous than Trout with first base open. - SSS and it don't mean much, but Kenley has been good against Trout in the past. As have the Red Sox generally.
I am honestly having trouble here imagining the counterargument to this. It just seems so clear to me that an IBB would have been suicidal there. I don't know about what happened in the '60s with Yaz but in *this* situation, with *this* version of Kenley Jansen on the mound, it would have been insane to intentionally load the bases.
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Post by asm18 on Apr 14, 2024 15:57:14 GMT -5
The Red Sox through 16 games (or about 10% of season):
9-7 Starter ERA - 2.05 Starter WHIP - 1.12
Devers has missed 6 games and is hitting .184, while Story uh…
Not exactly the start one would have expected.
Let’s just do this 10 more times for 90 wins. Easy, right?
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Post by kwodes on Apr 14, 2024 15:57:20 GMT -5
Just some perspective... sox haven't lost 4/5 series. The one they did get swept was ugly AF, but they should have won 2/3. If devers comes back healthy, and they maybe play rafaela at SS, it's not a 90th percentile outcome if they're a very competitive team.
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 14, 2024 15:57:52 GMT -5
Epitome of addition by subtraction. Also epitome of loafing to 1st.
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 14, 2024 15:59:20 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 14, 2024 15:59:51 GMT -5
Verdugo dogged a grounder in the 10th which led to a DP Epitome of addition by subtraction. Or subtraction by addition....
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 14, 2024 16:00:54 GMT -5
What in the world was Verdugo doing there? That was just bad, any sort of effort there and he's safe.
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 14, 2024 16:10:08 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 14, 2024 16:15:34 GMT -5
If the Angel's broadcasters are right, Dalbec now 0 for his last 31.
Cora needs to move him to 3rd or 4th in the order.
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