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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 20, 2024 8:32:07 GMT -5
Anyone like me checking to see Abreu’s updated wRC+ (which is now up to 106)? I think he’ll be alright. I’m hoping Yoshida can turn things around enough for the Sox to salary dump him at some point. I think Abreu, Anthony, Duran and Rafaela make a fine 3OF and DH rotation and I just don’t see Masa being an important part of the future. And this is ignoring O’Neill, who certainly seems to be finding his place and might not want to leave a coaching staff who believes in him and helps him. It’s a good logjam and Yoshida is by far the easiest to move on from. If O'Neil has a good year and stays healthy, I give it about a zero chance the Sox sign him long term. I disagree, he very much fits with this roster with his RHH bat and solid defense. I wouldn't say he's guaranteed or perhaps even likely to end up back here should his hot start not be a mirage but the chances seem closer to 50/50 than 0 to me.
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Post by soxin8 on Apr 20, 2024 8:45:36 GMT -5
you and a whole bunch of us. That said, this level of success wasn't predicted by anyone that I know or read. Actually, I think Eno Saris of The Athletic called this and someone posted the prediction (aptly enough) in the predictions thread. In the best/worst case scenario thread, second to last post, Eric said "I've been a Sox fan since 1962 ... and the current Sox rotation has a very strong chance at being the best I've ever seen.
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Post by jbuttah on Apr 20, 2024 9:03:23 GMT -5
Presumably, these guys have been playing baseball almost their entire lives. How is it possible that almost every game there's a running error? What was Yoshida thinking trying to score from first last night with 0 outs? I really don't get it.
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Post by cba82 on Apr 20, 2024 9:18:35 GMT -5
Presumably, these guys have been playing baseball almost their entire lives. How is it possible that almost every game there's a running error? What was Yoshida thinking trying to score from first last night with 0 outs? I really don't get it. Thinking the third base coach’s decision might have had something to do with it.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 20, 2024 9:20:19 GMT -5
Just realized that Refsnyder has already matched his home run total from last year. On an oppo shot against a righty no less. Seems promising.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 20, 2024 9:26:17 GMT -5
Just realized that Refsnyder has already matched his home run total from last year. On an oppo shot against a righty no less. Seems promising. Also had a double down the line and a 107 mph, .910 xBA lineout. A 2022 Refsnyder resurgence would sure be a fun development.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 20, 2024 9:31:25 GMT -5
Presumably, these guys have been playing baseball almost their entire lives. How is it possible that almost every game there's a running error? What was Yoshida thinking trying to score from first last night with 0 outs? I really don't get it. The team’s actually been the 11th best base running team overall so far. That breaks down into 5th best at taking extra bases on batted balls and 5th worst in terms of stolen bases/pick offs. Duran and Abreu have been excellent, Casas and Reyes horrible, everyone else somewhere in the middle (rate wise Hamilton is elite, he just hasn’t been on base all that much).
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Post by asm18 on Apr 20, 2024 9:43:42 GMT -5
I really though starting pitching would be the achilles heal of the team this year. Pretty much thinking now that I was quite wrong !!! you and a whole bunch of us. That said, this level of success wasn't predicted by anyone that I know or read. Andrew Bailey was saying it in nearly every interview, but very few of the beat writers he was talking to actually took his words at face value
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 20, 2024 10:07:26 GMT -5
you and a whole bunch of us. That said, this level of success wasn't predicted by anyone that I know or read. Andrew Bailey was saying it in nearly every interview, but very few of the beat writers he was talking to actually took his words at face value i didn't read any Bailey interviews. But really, and I am as ecstatic as anyone, this is above what any reasonable expectations were. Normally, outlying rosey predictions don't come to fruition. Even if his inside information has total legitimacy. I hope it lasts all year and is the key component to a winning club, because we all know great starting pitching wins games and it would be nice for us to finally have that kind of rotation. Fingers crossed.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 20, 2024 10:09:24 GMT -5
There were posts on the board suggesting that the endless search for passable, mediocre, or just plain bad talent to fill out the staff was not a great idea. And there were posters eager to see what the existing talent might bring. They are for the most part younger and they needed a chance. Plow through the archives if you need a refresher.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Apr 20, 2024 10:42:26 GMT -5
If O'Neil has a good year and stays healthy, I give it about a zero chance the Sox sign him long term. That’s a reasonable claim, but the near total absence of RHH on the forty and on the farm might suggests otherwise. And yet at the end of last year they had the same absence of RHH on the 40 and the farm and they let their 2 most productive power right-handed bats from last year leave. I do not understand why, but I have to agree with the original post. The Red Sox do not prioritize resigning their own players even when they have good years. I don't get it.
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Post by jimoh on Apr 20, 2024 10:49:20 GMT -5
That’s a reasonable claim, but the near total absence of RHH on the forty and on the farm might suggests otherwise. And yet at the end of last year they had the same absence of RHH on the 40 and the farm and they let their 2 most productive power right-handed bats from last year leave. I do not understand why, but I have to agree with the original post. The Red Sox do not prioritize resigning their own players even when they have good years. I don't get it. You have insufficient comparable data to make that claim. Adam Duvall was old and declining as a defensive player. Justin Turner was REALLY OLD, and they wanted to get Yoshida off the field. O’Neill is 28, 29 in June. Also, paying older players for 2024 may have seemed to be a waste of money, while paying a couple of (slightly) older players to play with the kids in 2025 may seem like a good idea.
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Post by chaimtime on Apr 20, 2024 11:07:37 GMT -5
One of the more eye-opening things I learned this offseason was that Houck had the same FIP- as Montgomery (86) since his 2020 debut—it wasn’t that long ago that he looked like the real deal as a starter. I decided to check up on that after his hot start, and he’s now down to an 82 career FIP- as a starter, tied for 24th with Blake Snell and Zach Eflin amongst the 153 pitchers with at least 200 innings as starters since 2020. We really did have Snell and Montgomery at home all along.
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Post by GyIantosca on Apr 20, 2024 11:09:38 GMT -5
What does this tell us about our team is more comfortable winning in the road than at home. It’s like they feel pressure in front of the home crowd. Maybe I’m jumping to conclusions. Is this a sign of a young team. I mean young in the sense of major league service time . There average 26 years .
There is much to like about this team.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Apr 20, 2024 11:41:46 GMT -5
What does this tell us about our team is more comfortable winning in the road than at home. It’s like they feel pressure in front of the home crowd. Maybe I’m jumping to conclusions. Is this a sign of a young team. I mean young in the sense of major league service time . There average 26 years . There is much to like about this team. Or it may tell us that they ran into a very strong Orioles team and bookended it with a strong Cleveland team for 7 of the 10 games and lost Story and, effectively, Devers for the homestand, had no Pivetta and had to make some on the fly adjustments.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 20, 2024 11:44:39 GMT -5
One of the more eye-opening things I learned this offseason was that Houck had the same FIP- as Montgomery (86) since his 2020 debut—it wasn’t that long ago that he looked like the real deal as a starter. I decided to check up on that after his hot start, and he’s now down to an 82 career FIP- as a starter, tied for 24th with Blake Snell and Zach Eflin amongst the 153 pitchers with at least 200 innings as starters since 2020. We really did have Snell and Montgomery at home all along. You could just see that he was absolutely an ace in innings 1-3 last season. The question was always whether he could carry that through innings 5 and 6. I think the jury's still out on that, but if he can do it you'd be able to say that the signs were there.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 20, 2024 12:04:13 GMT -5
Kutter Crawford day, his chance to take back the Cy Young lead (currently #3 in MLB in fWAR, #5 in RA-9 WAR)
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Post by art on Apr 20, 2024 12:40:27 GMT -5
Anyone like me checking to see Abreu’s updated wRC+ (which is now up to 106)? I think he’ll be alright. I’m hoping Yoshida can turn things around enough for the Sox to salary dump him at some point. I think Abreu, Anthony, Duran and Rafaela make a fine 3OF and DH rotation and I just don’t see Masa being an important part of the future. And this is ignoring O’Neill, who certainly seems to be finding his place and might not want to leave a coaching staff who believes in him and helps him. It’s a good logjam and Yoshida is by far the easiest to move on from. If O'Neil has a good year and stays healthy, I give it about a zero chance the Sox sign him long term. Depends on what the price is. There's a price for almost everything. As of today Abreu has no guarantee that he'll make about anything for the rest of his baseball career.
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Post by art on Apr 20, 2024 12:57:55 GMT -5
Welp Wilyer cost Booser a scoreless debut, but great game! Low stress. I could get used to this. Did a flub cause the batter to get to 3B? I was listening while driving to the Pirates broadcast (Sirius XM generally provides only the home broadcast). I don't remember their raising any question about its being scored as a triple.
It would be nice to be able to erase Booser's ER if it really was only a double.
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Post by melvinhoggs on Apr 20, 2024 13:22:43 GMT -5
Welp Wilyer cost Booser a scoreless debut, but great game! Low stress. I could get used to this. Did a flub cause the batter to get to 3B? I was listening while driving to the Pirates broadcast (Sirius XM generally provides only the home broadcast). I don't remember their raising any question about its being scored as a triple.
It would be nice to be able to erase Booser's ER if it really was only a double.
Abreu dove for it but he wasn't very close – better awareness that he couldn't get to it and it's certainly possible he holds it to a double. Not an error, just iffy decision-making.
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Post by ephus on Apr 20, 2024 15:07:23 GMT -5
Rafaela back at short. Bobby at 3rd. Maybe just maybe today is the day Bobby really gets ahold of one.
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Post by manfred on Apr 20, 2024 15:08:15 GMT -5
Today is as good a day as any for the Duran doubters to make a public apology.
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Post by cheers on Apr 20, 2024 15:08:43 GMT -5
So much fun to watch Duran turn on the jets!!
Edit: Since you mention it Manfred, I apologize. In 2022 I never thought he'd turn it around. Ever.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 20, 2024 15:13:06 GMT -5
Brutal ump, wow
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Post by cheers on Apr 20, 2024 15:13:09 GMT -5
Pirates fans should be screaming "ROBOTS!!!". Ump is squeezing the s*&t out of Keller.
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